Todd Bowles (Merged) - Love him, hate him, all here.

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  1. evojoe67

    evojoe67 Well-Known Member

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    Bowles is our coach , like it or not... I'm no fan of his but he's the guy in charge right now so I'm going to support him until he gives me another reason not too.
     
  2. NYJetsO12

    NYJetsO12 Well-Known Member

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    50 years with the NYJ as big fan ..vs contending with Eagles and Giants fans in my family lol

    This year I expected a few flashes from SD and other talented players coupled with the usual poor coaching

    Then last Monday Night came ..Bowles looks like on Zombie on Prozac and we are destroying the Lions ahahaha

    The Offense I kinda expected to click but the Defense went crazy..SO WHAT DOES THIS ALL MEAN ??

    I want a follow up win from Bowles and same preparation game planning adjustments ..etc whatever he miraculously learned to do that he COULDNT previously

    TBH Even if we lose a close one to Miami BUT we all witness the same intensity on ST and on Offense Defense then it will slowly convert me as more of a Bowles fan..UNTIL THEN FAGETABOUTIT
     
  3. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    See I think the opposite. I don’t think he’s a mystery at all. If you look at it, how you should look at it, long term and results based, you get this story:

    He’s been a head coach for 3 years and had both amix of veteran rosters with high priced free agents and young cheap rosters.

    And he is 7 games under .500 with zero playoff appearances
     
  4. Axel574

    Axel574 Active Member

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    I'm being completely genuine here when I say this. Can you please provide some detail as to why you believe Bowles is a good coach? What precisely have you seen that elevates him beyond coaches that have had postseason success?

    I liked Rex and Herm, they had passion, which I'm drawn too. Not to say that's what makes a good coach cause I don't believe that but it's a quality that players seem to admire.
     
  5. LF911SC

    LF911SC Well-Known Member

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    Again, you cant shut up. Youre a glutton for punishment. Go away and stop stalking, I'm done with your nonsense. How strongly do I have to say it before you'll stop, there really is something wrong with you.
     
  6. Axel574

    Axel574 Active Member

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    For what it's worth you also have a choice to stop... that being said I enjoy reading you two bicker so please carry on.
     
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  7. LF911SC

    LF911SC Well-Known Member

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    Responding and stalking another is not the same thing. Yes I can stop but seeing how many times he'll keep coming back is enjoyable. He is dedicated to getting his message through ;)
     
  8. Biggs

    Biggs Well-Known Member

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    I moved out to Arizona about 6 years ago. I became a season ticket holder. That D had a terrific CB in Peterson and a bunch of ordinary guys. I saw Bowles make half time adjustments week after week that kept the opposition off the board. He was smart, creative and calm. He's D was passionate and aggressive. They weren't great but they were effective with mediocre personal that changed every year.

    He has a great pedigree, he came up through the ranks with numerous teams. He coached on a lot of bad teams, so bad he was named interim head coach twice. He did a good job everywhere. He is one of the most respected guys in the league. He was named the AP assistant coach of the year with Arizona. He was on track to take over for Arians when the Jets took him. He was respected by the players and Arians loved him. He's demeanor was completely unflappable.

    The new CBA which was passed in 2011 has hamstrung coaches. It limited 2 a days and contact practices in both training camp and during the season. It also changed the salary structure radically. It's virtually impossible to hang on to a large group of good players into a second contract. Now that Seattle hasn't had the two best drafts in decades Pete Carroll is exposed as a guy who can't control his team on the field. He actually has an elite QB. If you don't have an elite QB tied up it's extremely hard to maintain any continuity and leadership on the O side of the ball. If you vastly over pay them and concentrate the cap on a few players you have a large turnover of plug and play guys every year. You absolutely have to draft well and be prepared to develop players while limited by the CBA, many of them with 1 or 2 years of college football to play immediately. You also have to be prepared to unload top players for picks before their first contract expires. There are a ton of moving parts for head coaches and GM's now that didn't exist before 2011.

    Herm took over 2 programs, the Jets and KC. Both had solid winning veterans from a previous regime. He ran both into the ground. Rex took over a team that Tannenbaum had busted the bank for. He had a 2 year run that was set up with contracts with top veterans. He had a great OL and D and couldn't get the best team in football without an elite QB over the hump. The contracts to build that team along with the mistake of moving up to take Sanchez set the team back for years with dead cap money. Not surprisingly he never had a winning season in the post CBA era.

    It's a different era. All the things most people don't like about Bowles is based on his demeanor. Weeb Ewbank was cool as a cucumber on the sidelines. Very unemotional. He wasn't ham strung with a cap or rules about practice. This team has had 3 good HC. Weeb, Michaels and Parcells. Michaels unfortunately lost his mind to a Shula Jedi-mind trick.

    The Jets have a QB, the entire organization is on a different path right now. How many Head coaches actually have post season success? The Packers have won 1 SB in the Rodgers era. Baltimore is ready to move on from Harbaugh and moved on from their last SB winning head coach. Payton Manning played on loads of playoff teams and won 2 SB. Drew Brees 1. These guys played for good HC but even they were lucky to get one. Peter Carroll had 2 of the best drafts in post CBA history and has an elite QB. He completely lost control of his team on the field twice last year and he's on track to be fired after this season. Bowles hasn't had anywhere close to the veteran talent that either Herm or Rex had. BB has an underpaid QB that has been either 1 or 2 for his entire career in NE. By the way having the Pats in your division is a huge obstacle to every head coach in the division.

    The thing SB winning head coaches have are SB quality teams. We have a 21 year old QB. Show some patience. Bowles is developing some good young players and they play hard for him.
     
  9. MoWilkBeast

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    @Biggs, that's a great post. I'm sure many will not agree with your views, I remain to be convinced on some points, but it is as a well constructed pro-Bowles argument as I've seen at this point.
     
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  10. LF911SC

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    Well done!

    Youre right, most of the dissatisfaction with Bowles is based on the perception that he is emotionless and the imagined benefit of him showing more emotion on the sideline. Professional players dont need their HC to jump around like Gruden or to complain, moan and groan like others. Funny part is we had that with Rex for example and when he didnt win he was a buffoon, we needed someone less crazed. Now the opposite. The key part is no one sees Bowles at practices and in the locker room. We dont really get the real picture of what hes like. Has to be a lot different that the perception. For example everyone says hes a disciplinarian, we never see it. Ray Lucas who played under him in Miami says hes a hard ass, dont see that either. All I know is the team respects him, dont want him gone, play hard and generally prepared for the opponent.

    I say it all the time, the Jets won 10 games when no one thought they would with their back up, journeyman QB behind center and won 5 a year ago with a roster that was said by most to be a historically bad offense and team. We need to see what he can do with talent that can win on its own to judge him
     
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    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    his demeanor is only annoying when they are losing. if he would win, I don't care that he is a mute...

    but he doesn't win
     
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    Except he has, which proves he can. You just wont admit that.
     
  13. 101GangGreen101

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    To me his demeanor is perfect for this team. Doesn't get too high or too low. Doesn't panic, and whatever he truly feels, he doesn't overreact, he digests the tape and talks to the players without the cameras beamed on him. He doesn't throw anyone under the bus (hello Gruden to Derek Carr).

    Thats how you coach in today's NFL.
     
  14. Axel574

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    @ Biggs. I forgot to quote you.

    Wow .. that was well thought out and a pleasure to read. Thanks for sharing your views on the matter Biggs.

    BTW - Bullitt is one of my all time favorite movies... Greatest car case scene ever put on film.
     
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    LF911SC Well-Known Member

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    Steve McQueen was the coolest of them all. He had a presence on the screen thats hard to match.
     
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    @Biggs - I don't agree entirely with your post - or your other posts usually - but I do respect the sound reasoning and perspective. It remains to be seen if Bowles has been "hamstrung" by factors outside his control or by his own limitations. Hopefully he overcomes them regardless of their source.
     
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  17. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    He has? lol...

    losing record, no playoff appearances, no division titles, forget championships.... lets see, what do the facts say about winning
     
  18. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    I agree, but again, he doesn't win. I would like someone with an even keel that actually wins football games
     
  19. LF911SC

    LF911SC Well-Known Member

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    And if we lived in a vacuum, a world where you can come up with a HC who would have achieved any of these things a year ago, or a division title or championship in year one you'd have made a great point. But the arguement is ridiculous given all that is needed besides coaching to achieve these. And to dump them all on the HC because some cant get it through there heads or because its so much easier to blame one person than a group of players is too bad
     
  20. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    I don't have to "live in a vacuum." Each year 6 of the 16 AFC teams will make the playoffs. That happens every year. Sometimes they are 1st year coaches. Todd Bowles hasn't done that yet.
     
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