Official NASCAR Thread

Discussion in 'Crystal Ball' started by GreenMachine, Feb 15, 2010.

  1. quadcityjetsfan76

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    I agree the chase has definitely changed the way things shape up. However, this change was made for entertainment purposes. It's not to appealing to the fan to see the same guy have nothing to race for over the last 6-8 races. They had to put a challenge in it. It is already getting to be that way with Jimmy johnson. Nascar needs a solution. I believe a way to solve it, without getting rid of the chase (which I think is good for the sport), is to alter the schedule more. These drivers have been doing this lonf=g enough to know track conditions at each track in each race. they need to flip flop the races, or add more north races in the summer to alter the fall season a little more. The season is so long, it makes it tough, but why not mix it up with a road race in Mexico City during the chase? Anything to not gift wrap it for Johnson.
     
  2. SyracuseJet

    SyracuseJet Well-Known Member

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    And Jeff Gordon hasn't won one since Ryan Newman came on the scene....so Newman is better then Gordon? Your logic not mine. And for the record, Gordon was a rookie in '93. Earnhardt won the title in '93 and '94.

    Quit being a Gordon homer. Nobody in there right mind would place Jeff Gordon over Dale Earnhardt.
     
  3. NYJalltheway

    NYJalltheway Well-Known Member

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    fucking johnson. lucky jesus christ bastard
     
  4. SyracuseJet

    SyracuseJet Well-Known Member

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    I'm starting to doubt his actual talent. I think he's the biggest example in Nascar history of what having a good crew chief can do for you.
     
  5. NYJalltheway

    NYJalltheway Well-Known Member

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    Now I understand why everybody hated Gordon so much. It should be much more intenses for JJ though. I mean christ we haven't seen a different champion since 2005. It's like everything goes his way. I will be truely shocked if he doesn't win the championship again.

    Behind the scenes, NASCAR has got to be pulling for a tight chase this year with a new champion.
     
  6. SyracuseJet

    SyracuseJet Well-Known Member

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    Evernham was a phenominal crew chief...one of the best ever, but Gordon was/is a wheel man. He'd throw that car in places not many others could. You don't see Johnson doing that. For those JJ fans out there, I'm not saying he sucks. He is the best ever in not fucking up. He is as consistant as it gets. But, what seperated the great drivers from the elite, and still does, is the drivers ability to make something happen to change his fortune for the better on the track. JJ doesn't do that. Chad Knaus does. That's why I don't think JJ is the "elite" driver that his record suggests he is. Def great, just not elite.
     
  7. GreenMachine

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    Vegas lineup:

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    Order  	Driver (No.)  	Car  	Qualifying Speed
    1 	Kurt Busch (2) 	Dodge 	188.719
    2 	Jeff Gordon (24) 	Chevrolet 	188.646
    3 	Ryan Newman (39) 	Chevrolet 	188.180
    4 	Dale Earnhardt Jr. (88) 	Chevrolet 	188.173
    5 	Kyle Busch (18) 	Toyota 	188.153
    6 	Joey Logano (20) 	Toyota 	187.611
    7 	Greg Biffle (16) 	Ford 	187.598
    8 	Mark Martin (5) 	Chevrolet 	187.500
    9 	Tony Stewart (14) 	Chevrolet 	186.942
    10 	Juan Pablo Montoya (42) 	Chevrolet 	186.793
    11 	Matt Kenseth (17) 	Ford 	186.748
    12 	Carl Edwards (99) 	Ford 	186.554
    13 	Clint Bowyer (33) 	Chevrolet 	186.548
    14 	Sam Hornish Jr. (77) 	Dodge 	186.445
    15 	Joe Nemechek (87) 	Toyota 	186.355
    16 	Brad Keselowski (12) 	Dodge 	186.245
    17 	David Reutimann (00) 	Toyota 	186.233
    18 	David Ragan (6) 	Ford 	186.188
    19 	Kasey Kahne (9) 	Ford 	185.995
    20 	Jimmie Johnson (48) 	Chevrolet 	185.963
    21 	Max Papis (13) 	Toyota 	185.497
    22 	Jeff Burton (31) 	Chevrolet 	185.395
    23 	Scott Speed (82) 	Toyota 	185.236
    24 	Jamie McMurray (1) 	Chevrolet 	185.109
    25 	Travis Kvapil (34) 	Ford 	185.058
    26 	Paul Menard (98) 	Ford 	184.773
    27 	Denny Hamlin (11) 	Toyota 	184.615
    28 	Regan Smith (78) 	Chevrolet 	184.590
    29 	Bobby Labonte (71) 	Chevrolet 	184.552
    30 	Mike Bliss (36) 	Chevrolet 	184.540
    31 	Brian Vickers (83) 	Toyota 	184.458
    32 	Marcos Ambrose (47) 	Toyota 	184.445
    33 	Michael McDowell (55) 	Toyota 	184.439
    34 	Kevin Harvick (29) 	Chevrolet 	184.080
    35 	Martin Truex Jr. (56) 	Toyota 	183.961
    36 	Dave Blaney (66) 	Toyota 	183.955
    37 	Elliott Sadler (19) 	Ford 	183.468
    38 	David Gilliland (38) 	Ford 	181.965
    39 	Kevin Conway (37) 	Ford 	181.843
    40 	AJ Allmendinger (43) 	Ford 	181.038
    41 	Boris Said (26) 	Ford 	176.586
    42 	Robby Gordon (7) 	Toyota 	-
    43 	Aric Almirola (09) 	Chevrolet 	183.038
    44 	Casey Mears (190) 	DNQ 	182.248
    45 	Terry Cook (46) 	DNQ 	180.705
    
     
  8. GreenMachine

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    I guess winning from 20th is lucky, too...
     
  9. Jetfanmack

    Jetfanmack haz chilens?

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    NASCAR sucks.

    Continue.
     
  10. matt robinson 17

    matt robinson 17 Well-Known Member

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    Gets boring watching Jimmy Johnson win every week...on the other hand I like Happy and he's been right on his bumper...
     
  11. matt robinson 17

    matt robinson 17 Well-Known Member

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    Carl Edwards losing his mind, when he sent Keselowski ass over tea kettle...I guess he didn't think he could have flipped him over the fence and killed 100 innocent people in the crowd....
     
  12. GreenMachine

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    Edwards and Kyle Busch are both egotistical douchebags.
     
  13. matt robinson 17

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    3 weeks probation what a joke...
     
  14. DHarris52

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    IMO, there is no greater example of an athlete making a 180 degree turn around in terms of maturity than Kurt Busch. He used to be that young punk that everyone hated. Now, he is a total class act.

    His jerkoff brother should take a page from his book.
     
  15. matt robinson 17

    matt robinson 17 Well-Known Member

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    Carl Edwards is the one that surprises me...
     
  16. Big Blocker

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    I am not sure Edwards surprises me, but he usually does not seem like a hot head.
     
  17. matt robinson 17

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    That's what I mean...
     
  18. Big Blocker

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    Hey with BMS coming up this weekend, I thought I'd ask if I'm the only one who finds the racing there more than a tad overrated. It's not conducive to passing, the wrecks take out too many good cars and drivers who did nothing wrong but get caught up in it, much more so than at other tracks including Mville, and the racing when they are not wrecking is pretty boring, unless and until someone is catching the leader toward the end.

    Compared to Richmond, which has two real grooves, BMS is imo pretty mediocre.
     
  19. matt robinson 17

    matt robinson 17 Well-Known Member

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    I agree, if you qualify all the way in the back or have to use a backup car and start at the back, your chances of passing 42 cars is extermely slim...I end watching and hoping Gordon gets caught in a big one...
     
  20. Big Blocker

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    I will say though that race Terry Labonte won back in the 90's beating out DE was one of the best ever.
     

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