Leonard Williams is NOT the great player we thought he was

Discussion in 'New York Jets' started by Jonathan_Vilma, Oct 15, 2017.

  1. twown

    twown Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2008
    Messages:
    2,942
    Likes Received:
    3,885
    Blimperson looks pretty svelte these days.
     
    Jets69 likes this.
  2. Jeti

    Jeti Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2012
    Messages:
    5,356
    Likes Received:
    1,111
    Protections are sliding Williams way but there are times he’s isolated on an OL and doesn’t get the push expected.

    Today he had a few chances to make a play.
     
  3. Jersey Joe 67

    Jersey Joe 67 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2006
    Messages:
    7,202
    Likes Received:
    1,873
    It's pretty sad when the "strength" of our team is actually it's weakest link...we get no pressure on the QB EVER.
     
    boozer32 likes this.
  4. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2007
    Messages:
    23,098
    Likes Received:
    1,588
    haha..and Williams hasn't even gotten paid yet, wait until he does,
     
    Jets69 likes this.
  5. RichardCaster

    RichardCaster Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2014
    Messages:
    377
    Likes Received:
    118
    He's playing hurt.
     
  6. MDJets

    MDJets Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2012
    Messages:
    2,464
    Likes Received:
    1,506
    No doubt Wilk and Williams have underachieve this season regardless where they have been positioned both are getting manhandled single and double coverage and not successfully stopping the run.

    However I seen Williams more active near the plays whilw Mo he is no where where the plays are half of the time.
     
  7. grkmanga31

    grkmanga31 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2009
    Messages:
    3,738
    Likes Received:
    2,462
    Mods delete please
     
    #47 grkmanga31, Oct 16, 2017
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2017
  8. JetFanInPA

    JetFanInPA Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2003
    Messages:
    10,946
    Likes Received:
    3,436
    I haven't noticed consistently, but is he playing out of position often?
     
  9. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2003
    Messages:
    26,041
    Likes Received:
    26,790
    Am I missing something here? The thread is about Leonard WIlliams who is playing hurt and your post is all about Wilkerson
     
  10. grkmanga31

    grkmanga31 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2009
    Messages:
    3,738
    Likes Received:
    2,462
    For some reason when I saw he's playing hurt I immediately thought Wilkerson since his name has popped up in this thread and others quite a bit since yesterday. Mods free to delete
     
    BrowningNagle likes this.
  11. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2003
    Messages:
    26,041
    Likes Received:
    26,790
    it's all good you didn't need to delete, in fact I agreed with your assessment of Wilkerson and maybe the discussion had shifted thats why I asked if I missed something. It was just confusing because they are both playing hurt and underachieving
     
  12. grkmanga31

    grkmanga31 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2009
    Messages:
    3,738
    Likes Received:
    2,462
    Both are deff underachieving, I think for different reasons though. No one on the d-line is scary other than L. Williams. Williams is getting a ton of attention and I don't think he's used to getting as many double teams as he is now. When you get rid of Richardson and you have a shell of Wilkerson on the d-line, it makes for a d-line that just doesn't do much
     
  13. NYJetsO12

    NYJetsO12 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2013
    Messages:
    11,367
    Likes Received:
    7,412
    Sorry but just shaking my head in amazement at the money, draft picks and preference the Jets D has gotten year after year....and, drum roll, here's the result..LMAO

    Why not get a young competent FQB and a decent offensive line to protect him and score a sh*tload of points, use up some clock so your D can rest and not worry..come playoffs it won't be as easy a plan, yes

    But this org always has it ass backwards ...DONT start a rebuild with the D get a QB Receivers and an OL ...look at all the better teams e.g. Dallas GB Where is their real strength ? Scoring points. So when the time comes you can fine tune things with some Defensive stars
     
  14. ColoradoContrails

    ColoradoContrails Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2016
    Messages:
    14,438
    Likes Received:
    21,557
    Exactly!

    Apparently the Jets missed the memo a few years ago that the NFL was going to become a scoring league, because they continue on their impossible mission to build a completely impregnable defense. In today's NFL THERE IS NO SUCH THING!

    And aside from the rules and interpretations that support this era, there is the additional aspect of the NFL mandating that the "favorite" teams always be given a chance to make a comeback in any given game - you are not going to shut down Brady, Rogers, etc. if their team is with 3 scores of winning. The refs will find ways to enable them to move the ball - phantom pass interference; roughing the passer; off sides; etc. If you want to win in today's NFL you need to be able to score. Relying on a "stout" defense and dink and dunk offense is a recipe for losing. Will someone please make sure the memo FINALLY gets to the Jets?
     
    boozer32 and NYJetsO12 like this.
  15. boozer32

    boozer32 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2006
    Messages:
    5,671
    Likes Received:
    3,843
    But, but how can that be we draft defense every year in the first round. We even took Calvin Pryor 2.0 in this years draft. His leadership really showed up on that Gronk touchdown. Maybe the problem is still our loser head coach and imbecile defensive coordinator. I think Morton is a keeper he is truly getting the most bang for the buck on the offensive side. McCown 6 games in has had his best season ever. No stud WR's, a brand new ASJ. That is what coaches are suppose to do coach up the talent they are handed. Bowles will never be that guy.
     
  16. boozer32

    boozer32 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2006
    Messages:
    5,671
    Likes Received:
    3,843
    Well said Namath. Only the Jets in an offensive geared league keep taking defensive players. Then try and get by with scraps like McCown and Fitzpatrick.
     
    ColoradoContrails and NYJetsO12 like this.
  17. boozer32

    boozer32 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2006
    Messages:
    5,671
    Likes Received:
    3,843
    That's just one of the problem. You stand up the OL but the linebacker play is crap. Lee is garbage, you dumped Harris without any good replacement. Zero pass rush so your corners are chasing WR all the way down the field. I would cut Lee right now because he won't get better. Cut bait and move on.
     
  18. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2004
    Messages:
    32,349
    Likes Received:
    30,708
    Adam has already shown a lot more than Pryor did. Still need more impact plays from him as well. But he's primarily being manned up against tightends and backs rather than reading the quarterbacks eyes like you really want your strong safety to do.

    We're playing a lot of cover 1 with man coverage across the board.

    The secondary and safety play have not been the problem. They've been very good this year. We can't even get coverage sacks though. That's alarming.
     
    ColoradoContrails and boozer32 like this.
  19. boozer32

    boozer32 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2006
    Messages:
    5,671
    Likes Received:
    3,843
    I see too many missed tackles from Adams and his coverage skill are awful. We could have drafted Deshaun Watson at 6 instead and still had a good safety in the 2nd round in Maye. Maye who I liked before the draft and he looks more well rounded. Imagine that a high draft pick offensive player and a high drafted defensive player. Some teams do a balancing act like that to build a complete team. But not the Jets.
     
    fansince90 and ColoradoContrails like this.
  20. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2004
    Messages:
    32,349
    Likes Received:
    30,708
    I don't know what you're watching, but I've seen Adams sticking to whomever he covered. I mean that with all due respect too because I respect your opinion. He was all over Gronk for the most part and that PI call was a phantom call where Gronk initiated the contact. Go back and rewatch it.

    Like I said, I haven't seen Adams forcing any turnovers but he's not being used in a way to do so. He's basically being used as a cover corner for tightends/slot receivers in passing downs, and flying up into the box on run downs because our linebackers are awful. He's being used like Bowles wanted Lee to be used.

    I'd like to see Adams be given a bit more free range to read the quarterback and make plays. We've learned our lesson trying to leave DeMario Davis in coverage. Lee looked decent the past couple weeks but he's still worrisome against real playmakers. He covers tightends better than he does runningbacks probably because they can't change direction as quickly. And aren't given two way go's out of the backfield that Lee struggles so mightily with. Which leads to missed open field tackles.
     
    #60 Jonathan_Vilma, Oct 16, 2017
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2017
    Mogriffjr and boozer32 like this.

Share This Page