I agree that is not what Bowles wants, but in all likelihood, he will not be with the team past the 2017 season, so Woody should give little credence to what Bowles wants. He should have already seen that Bowles is having problems putting together a staff. Hopefully, he (Woody) realizes now that he should have gone ahead and fired Bowles, but it's too late to now. Hopefully, he's also realized that he screwed up with the org chart, and that he now needs to put Mac in charge with the HC reporting to him. Woody should just go ahead, suck it up and accept that 2017 will be a lost season UNLESS the team focuses on developing its young players and determines whether either Petty or Hack can be their starting QB going forward. He needs to decide to put Mac in charge, let him make all the calls for this season, and then let him hire the new HC. If Mac wants to draft Watson or another QB, fine, but the If Mac is anywhere near as good as I think he is, then he knows that a "competitive rebuild" is a joke, and that this team needs to rebuild the team. If Woody thinks they can have a winning season in 2017, then he's a bigger moron than I believed or thought possible, and is totally delusional.
We can and should add an experienced QB to the roster without breaking the bank. Given our recent history I do not believe this outcome will happen.
it is amazing how people just want to say what they want and completely disregard what the op actually asked them to do. instead they regurgitate the same old shit he already said he didnt want to hear about as there are a ton of entire threads about that same old dumb stuff. so ill actually answer. i would pay a semi-reliable clip board holder up to 2 million per year.
With all due respect the OP's question about what to pay is silly. What's the difference? The more important decision is who? not what? Once you determine who you want, then you can assess what a fair contract is.
why should we add an experienced qb? what is the point of carrying any qb that you know isn't a possible franchise qb when you don't already have one? serious question.
Thanks. I knew it was a long shot, but I thought it was worth a shot anyway. I expected at least half on target, certainly not one for twenty four. The purpose was to get a consensus or range of what would be acceptable unaffected by biases for or against any particular guy before it happens and a name is attached, then compare that to the comments when someone is signed. Back to the Same Ol' Jets Forum. Might as well merge it into one of the others.
What if Petty gets hurt again? Is Hack going to be able to do ANYTHING next year as a starting QB? Like I said you do not need to spend much of anything but for God's sake at least get a guy who has started four or five NFL games in his life on this roster. Going 2-14 is OK but if you are unable to move the chains and limit turnovers you will not be able to develop or evaluate young players on either side of the ball. There is a difference between a bad year with some glimmers of hope and a completely lost season where nothing good happens.
how are we going to find out if hack can do anything with the fitzpatricks of the world clogging up the roster? if bryce gets hurt/sucks you send in hack, if hack needs to be pulled you have another young unproven qb waiting, if it gets to desperation then call some jag sitting on his couch, who cares? there is not enough practice time anymore, the game is slanted so you need that qb. its a new era. 'hold the fort","place holder" "bridge quarterback" its all bullshit and a waste of time and resources. keep cycling through the guys who you think could be until you find the one.
You QB or bust guys are missing the fact that we have 21 other starters (plus special teams) that we need to work on as well. If a franchise QB was all you needed to win the SB Andrew Luck would not be home watching the playoffs. Kirk Cousins looked like Joe Montana for about half of the season. How did that work out for the Skins? Go back and watch the game where Mike Vick took over for Geno Smith in Buffalo. Now imagine watching that for sixteen games next year. That is what you guys are proposing and it is nothing short of insanity. Even if Petty is healthy we need an experienced backup to man the #2 job until Hack shows that he is ready. Even then you need a third guy in case our line forgets to block Suh on two consecutive plays leaving us without Petty or Hack for the remainder of the year.
no we don't. we need a pipeline of qbs until the search is over. once we end that search we can have an "experienced backup" which is another word for qb you don't want to ever start a game. in the mean time you add good players wherever you can, evaluate with tape. you can see who is winning their matchups without a good qb playing. which, again, is what this veteran qb would offer. so why waste time with him? so i ask, why should a bad team carry a guy who has proven he is not a starting qb in the league when they are looking for a guy who can be a starting qb in this league? so they won't be bad? these career back ups are not going to change that
You are also forgetting Rich Gannon, Vinny Testaverde, and Jim Plunkett. All three were journeymen QBs that their former teams left for dead before they dragged their new teams kicking and screaming on a Super Bowl run. Not every retread QB is automatically a career backup. Watch RGIII take Cleveland to the playoffs next year. Your QB or bust approach is not the only way to win. In fact it is the fast track to 0-16.
i completely understand. its a shame i would have been interested to see what people would be willing to pay and which option they would have chosen. a couple guys kinda did it, but couldnt help but to talk about particular guys. i went and looked at what some of hte backups made last year to get a general vicinity of what i would be willing to pay, for a guy i would hope doesnt see the field and can help mentor and provide a safety blanket.
The way to evaluate the value of 2-14 is by looking at how the team approached the games. Did they work hard and lose because they were young and the experience and talent just wasn't there? Did they take games off and look unfocused when they were getting beaten by better teams? Were the players learning the things they need to know to be better in the future? Were vets basically packing it in and not trying hard on the field and contributing to a general malaise in the organization? Did the coaches have enough control over the course of the season that discipline didn't vanish entirely as the losses piled up? One of the really troubling things this year was that several previously solid citizens showed cracks in the facade of the organization as a result of their attitude and/or play on the field. Brandon Marshall started to come apart as the losses piled up and his personal achievements on the season didn't meet his, the organizations or the fans expectations. Darrelle Revis came to camp fat and out of shape and played poorly virtually the entire year, with a notable lack of enthusiasm for things like tackling that had been strengths in previous years. Mo Wilkerson got benched (again) for sloppy professional conduct in terms of meeting his obligations to the organization to attend meetings in a timely fashion. And of course, Ryan Fitzpatrick held out the entire off-season for an unreasonable contract that the organization finally buckled too and gave him. The lack of off-season preparation led directly to him having his worst season in several years and to the offensive progress that the Jets made last year evaporating early in the season. The Jets were a roster full of entitled players last season and the vets almost to a man got hurt, declined or just looked like they didn't give a damn once the losses started piling up. A few of them looked like they didn't give a damn before that.
That says a lot more about our coaching staff and our front office than it does about the value of experienced veterans that have established their reputation and know what they are doing on the football field.
The experienced veterans set the tone for the team. They've heard it all before from coaching staffs and when they blow the coaches off by missing meetings and not playing hard on the field, well that permeates down to the rest of the roster. You want to know why the Steelers have played hard for most of the last 10 years? It doesn't have much to do with Mike Tomlin, who was a newcomer to the organization when he was hired. He inherited a hardcore veteran player base that set the example for everybody else and that lockerroom rejects bad apples quicker than the sensors in an apple-picking machine. In the process the team creates the next generation of accountable vets who set the standard. Bad apples show up, mostly WR's lately, but the team keeps plugging along and making the playoffs most years because every player is working hard all the time because that's the way the Steelers roll. You couldn't have hired a young coach like Tomlin to make that happen. You already had to have it in house and then you hire the guy you think will grow into the job of keeping the ball rolling. The Jets keep bringing in free agents year after year and they have no chance at all to create that kind of culture because the free agent vets aren't there long enough to become part of the culture, instead they weaken it by adding their own values to it - #1 of which is get your money while you can, it's what they just did. The young guys, particularly the hard-working ones, just want the payoff that they see most of the vets around them getting and they are more than willing to leave the building for the best offer. The Jets need to build their culture into a first class culture. Taking highly paid refugees in every year isn't going to do that.
Back in the day of 2 a days and physical practices when you could simulate games better, back before all the changes negated defense,you could get by with a journeyman.those days are over. look at the remaining teams this wekend and tell me about the journeyman. time to adjust to the times
Happily Bowles is going to convince Mac overpay some scrub to join our QB derby in an effort to keep his job. If you guys did get your wish and we went into the season with Petty, Hack, and some camp fodder QB UFA that all 32 teams passed on in the draft we would all be thinking of the shit show that was 2016 as "the good old days". Please name one team that ever has a QB situation as bad as ours and failed to bring in one experienced backup. Remember when the Giants drafted Eli Manning by trading up for the #1 overall pick. Eli rode the bench behind future HOF QB Kurt Warner who had already earned a SB ring. Aaron Rodgers sat the bench behind Brett Favre for three years. Tom Brady sat the bench behind former #1 overall pick Drew Bledsoe. Despite all of this you guys want to go with Petty / Hack / Bilal Powell for our depth chart at QB. Good luck with that plan.
Whatever happens we need an experienced backup QB. But backup is all it should be. Signed, at best, to have an outside chance of winning the starting job in camp (Hack and Petty really suck in other words) and paid like a backup. This team isn't going any place next year, perhaps the one after as well, which rules Romo and Cutler out. Glennon and Taylor are 9 win guys if everything falls into place and that doesn't put us in a spot to win. If Foles shakes free then, maybe, on a prove it contract. Other than that just get the best backup you can.
