Stop with these threads, because it's really not a waste. We no longer have Bill Parcells find late round offensive lineman and develop them like he did with Thomas, Fabini and Mawae. If there's one thing Parcells is great at, it's drafting lineman late and turning them into studs. Problem is, we no longer have a mind on the offensive line. While not a bad thing, that doesn't mean you can take three guys in the 5th, 6th and 7th and expect them to start. Many times, a cornerstone tackle is needed. The Steelers were getting abused mid-season without Marvel Smith (EARLY 2ND ROUND). the Seahawks went to the Superbowl mainly because of Walter Jones (first rounder) and Steve Hutchingson's (first rounder) superior blocking. The Rams went twice because a guy name Pace (#1 overall) gave Kurt Warner time to wait for Martz' long developing routes to progress. The Ravens won a Superbowl behind superior blocking from Jonathan Ogden (top five) and Harry Swayne (a running game featured around the off-tackle handoff). Many don't realize that Jeff Christy and Lomas Brown were both solid despite a shaky Tampa Bay offense in 2002. But you're right. Drafting lineman early is for losing teams. A combination of Santonio Holmes, Sinorice Moss and Derek Hagans will lead us to the promise land.
No but i have heard of a LT tackle paving the way for a running back and keeping our quaterback off injured reserve. D'Brick can do that and will be elite. Draft him at 4.
Don't you think they help the players that are named MVP ??? Certain players are MVP's because of their offensive line.
If Peyton Manning had a bad O-Line, he would never have put up the same numbers that he has the last few years. And one of the main reasons Shaun Alexander had such a great year is his amazing LG and LT (i believe they were both 1st rounders...
Sooooo many mocks have the Jets taking Ferguson, and they are all wrong. Mangini is supposed to be a Parcells/Belichick disciple, right? They NEVER go O linemen in the first round, never mind top five. If Mangini gets a second first round pick, he MIGHT go O line, but at #4? There will be a blizzard in hell first.
If we draft an OT at #4 it will show the inexperience in the FO. NO OL is worlth a top five pick. The draft is VERY deep in OL, we could get matching bookend for the OL by trading down. Seriously I feel D'Brick is NOT the best OL in the draft. Trade down and get a RB and a OT. Then get a C and OG in the second round. Then when Chad still sucks we can start Whitehurst who we drafted in the 3rd round.
So your opinion is the only credible one, I take it? Please. Notice the theme to your expamles? Solid across the OL isn't enough. 5 "solid" guys get your QB killed, and keep your running game grounded. I want a freaking stud on that OL. Put in a guy like Ferguson at LT, and watch how great your QB does KNOWING that his blind side is secure, not hoping that the "solid" guy has things under control. Orlando Pace ringing any bells? Maybe John Ogden? Both own SB rings, and both are big reasons that their teammates have those rings as well. It isn't a wasted pick at all. It may not be what you want, but that doesn't make it wrong.
Of all the posts in this forum, to pick this one out as being "dictatorial" in it's views as being the only credible one shows your incredible bias against anyone who doesn't agree with YOU. Pot, meet kettle? No, pot meet the meat. You are the one who comes across as being somehow the ONLY credible opinion, not the post you decided to pick on. Where in that post was ANY comment made to indicate his opinion was superior or the only possible credible one? I saw NOTHING of that, but it reeks in your post. What makes you so SURE that Ferguson is a lock down pro bowler like Pace or Ogden? Show me a top ten pick O Lineman that has been that good since they were picked in the LAST decade, the 90's? Like it or not, Ferguson can bust just as easilly as Mike Williams did. Here are the OL top ten draft picks since 2000: 2000: Chris Samuels- #3 pick- 1 pro bowl 2001: Leonard Davis- #2 pick- Yet to make his mark 2002- Mike Williams- #4- total bust Bryant McKinnie- #7- so far, a bust Levi Jones- #10- Second tier OL 2003- Jordan Gross- #7-Who? 2004- Gallery- #2- so far a BIG disappointment Ferguson is NO lock to be a franchise LT. But since you say he is, any other opinion has no credibility? Gimmee a break. It's your opinion, one you obviously hold in such high regard, that anyone who disagrees has no credibility? It's your opinion, no more no less, and to tell anyone who doesn't agree that they lack credibilty is not a knock on them, it's a knock on YOUR credibility, Mr Invinsable.
Not for nothing but the above lineup is putrid... Why move Kendall to RG when he plays LG on an everyday basis? Where do you plan on putting Moore, who held up his end of the deal last season? What pick are you going to use on Mangold to get him at Center? He definitely won't be there at #4 in the the 2nd round. Jones did very well at T last year, especially given the fact that he was thrown around. The guy will be a bigtime player this year- don't move him. Other than that, everything you have said makes alot of sense....
Do people honestly think that our OL cannot be great unless our #4 is used on D'Brick? There is ALOT of OL talent in this draft class, and there is absolutely no need to use our top 5 pick on a position we already have filled. In my opinion, the Jets have been missing a critical piece of the puzzle for a long time. That piece is called a star, impact player that the team can be built around. We need a player who can take the team on his shoulders and put up MVP type numbers. Having the #4 overall pick is the perfect opportunity to find a player of this calibur, and it does not come around very often. Although D'Brick has the potential to become a great LT, his position on this team is already filled, and we need to take a chance on a player that has the potential to be MVP one day.
People keep saying that LT is already filled, so don't draft Brick. Guess what: EVERY position on the team is "filled." RB, WR, QB. TE, all have someone on the team that can play the position come game time. BUT you feel it necessary to UPGRADE those postions. WHich is fine. But Jones can be upgraded as well. IMO he was not all that spectacular last year at either RT or LT. LT is an EXTREMELY important position on the team. To have a stud, instead of player just to fill the postion, is very good thing IMO.
Adrian Jones is more than just a player filling the position. He is young, has similar size to D'Brick, and has alot of upside. This guy can definitely develop into a very solid LT in this league, and since he was our most consistant OL last year, I think we should give him a shot and see what he can do with first stringers all around him. OL in the top 5 is a waste, especially this year. If OL depth in this year's draft was very small, I would be all for drafting D'Brick. But the fact is that this year's OL class has TONS of talent, so if you have an opportunity to take a potential superstar who could potentially put up MVP type numbers for several years, you have to take that skill player.
see OT is not going to win you the game. They are the foundation, they help players around them perform at a higher level. They open holes and they give the QB protection. We need to first establish a solid O line before talking about anything else. We should go after D'brick and V. Davis. You have to understand everybody in the nfl can play football. They were the best in college so they can perform so with the right oline the players are affected in a positive way
