well like DeathbyJets said, a trade cannot be announced until 3/3. so, if it is indeed Abe for Ramsey/Arrington, i assume today's conference won't be announcing it? In any event, I really really don't want Ramsey. But picking up Arrington for Abe would greatly satisfy me; especially if this is part of the plan in switching to the 3-4. Wow -- Vilma, Arrington, and Barton alone is scary. Almost any other "average" LB can be thrown in there and succeed (i.e. Hobson). cheers
The Jets have engaged in discussions with the Redskins about Patrick Ramsey. Many observers believe the Jets are targeting Jay Cutler with the fourth pick in the Draft. In that scenario, they would acquire a mid-level like Ramsey or Jon Kitna to pair with him. Chad Pennington would be released. Feb. 22 - 12:03 pm et Source: Newsday
blast! so the only source of this alleged press conference is the FAN? if this trade for Ramsey is for real, it better not be just Ramsey in the package. If so, then the 'Skins will have owned us yet again. But, with Arrington part of that deal, I think it's okay because I can live with Ramsey starting for a year; more so, I like Ramsey as the backup/competing for the starting role with whoever else we bring in. cheers
With the way the Jets' recent press events have turned into amateur hour, I'll eagerly await this next installment. I suggest everyone come out wearing eye-black. You know, reinforce the "game face" concept.
Living outside of DC, I'll say that Arrington is a tremendously overhyped player. He has never lived up to his reputation coming out of school. It wasn't until he was benched this year that he started to perform. He may work out for us, but I am a not too sure. Career stats over 6 seasons: 318 Tackles 22.5 sacks 3 Ints (all in one season) 10 Forced Fumbles OK....but not great. Worse than his stats is that he rarely has made a game-changing play....only a couple I can remember.
i'll admit he hasn't lived up to his hype. but, he also played several seasons on a D that wasn't very good. I think if you look at this past season, when they benched Arrington there was a big drop-off. when they brought him back into the lineup, it almost looked like a different D. now, you put him along side Vilma and Barton, and that's a pretty stacked LB corps. furthermore, don't under-estimate, "change of scenery." sometimes, that works wonders for players who've played in one place their entire careers. i just really like this idea because then we're not merely giving Abe away or getting nothing in return for him. At least we get a player who, contrary to what you said, does change games, albeit not enough recently. cheers
I live in the MD/DC area and even some people around here think he's overhyped. He's a fan favorite, and the radio guys and the beatwriters who cover the deadskins think that the Skins were making a huge mistake by benching him. They couldn't generate any pass rush without him. The biggest knock on him is that he is always out of position trying to be a hero, not trusting his teammates. That is a defense killer. He overpursues, gambles on plays and leaves teammates vulnerable. He's done it his whole career and thats why Williams benched him. I can't see Sutton and Mangini really coveting a player that doesn't play into a scheme and play their role so I see it as unlikely that the Jets would want Arrington. But stranger things have happened. But Arrington and Dan Snyder HATE each other so I can see Snyder trying to get rid of him at all costs.
very good points about Arrington. i agree that he is often too aggressive. however, his athleticism is undeniable and he's still fairly young; therefore, i don't think you can give up a on guy like this just yet. what if he learns to harness his aggeression and over-pursuit, and learns to trust his teammates and play within a scheme? then those knocks disappear and what's left is a darn good LB. cheers
I agree. I think Gregg Williams actually by benching him got him to sit back and realize he needs to be a team player. So like someone mentioned. a change of scenery, and new CS, along with lessons learned in DC could have him playing at a high level...provided he stays healthy. He is the DC version of JA.
wow, that could be the best paper LB corps ever. only problem i see with that is, we'd have 3 OLB's (Arrington, Barton, Hawk) and only 1 ILB (Vilma). Unless one of them can move to ILB - which i don't think would work - we'd have to plug in someone like Hobson next to Vilma as the other ILB; that isn't too farfetched considering Hobson played some ILB at Michigan. Furthermore, I think he can re-learn it since we just hired Michigan's D-coordinator as our LB's Coach. cheers
I personally wouldn't like that trade... We give: Abe The give: Ramsey and Arrington They are basically giving us two guys that were BOTH benched...thanks but no thanks...
If we are gonna trade Abe it has to be for either Rivers or draft picks. We don't need to be trading our best D player for some other teams trash. I'm not high on Ramsey or Arrington.Doesn't Arrington have a huge contract anyway??
Theres no way we are trading for a linebacker who won't be part of the system. Arringtons issue last year was that he wanted to free lance and do what he wanted on each play. Thats why Williams benched him. No way Manbaum goes after a player like that. They want players that fit their system who are coachable.
i respect this point of view and it's an accurate assessment of Arrington. But who's to say that he won't change on another team in another system? Arrington has demonstrated game-changing ability in the past and if he's tamed, he's one of the best OLB's in the league. In run D, Abe does his own thing too. He takes poor angles and tries to beat Tackles so far outside that RB's run right by him, where he's supposed to be. He's gotten better at this and improved his rush defense. Therefore, why can't Arrington learn to do the same in regards to his flaws? cheers
Don't be an IRA. Trading period doesn't start until 3/3. Even my 8 year old knows that. "Raise the bar"- Michael Francesa, the most important figure in NY sports media history
