Good article about QBs 1st round grades over the past decade

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  1. SolidGoldBowles

    SolidGoldBowles Well-Known Member

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    http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/s...s-every-first-round-qb-2008-plus-2018-top-qbs

    Some interesting parts

    Grade: 96 (6th highest graded Qb during this period overall)
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    Mark Sanchez, New York Jets (2009)
    Pre-draft ranking: No. 7 overall

    As a prospect: "Sanchez doesn't have as much arm strength or the same body of work as Matt Stafford, but on the other hand teams have fallen in love with his intangibles and accuracy during the offseason. There's a lot to like about his pocket presence and ability to elude the rush. We are concerned about rushing him into the starting lineup, but if any of this year's quarterback prospects have the mental toughness to learn on the fly Sanchez is the one."

    In the NFL: Sanchez led the Jets to two straight AFC Championship Games, but it was downhill after that. He has been a backup since 2014 with Philadelphia, Dallas and now Chicago.

    Sanchez was a guy teams loved for accuracy and intangibles, none of which we seen during his time in NY

    Grade: 95
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    Matthew Stafford, Detroit Lions (2009)
    Pre-draft ranking: No. 8 overall

    As a prospect: "Stafford has very good upside. He has a very strong arm, good size and adequate height. In other words, the sky's the limit for Stafford. Our concern is that he lacks elite intangibles. This is problematic when you look at the situation in Detroit. The best-case scenario is Stafford winds up as the Lions' franchise quarterback for years to come. In order for that to happen, however, the Lions need to bring him along slowly and that's going to prove difficult. If they rush him, the Lions risk losing out on their investment."

    In the NFL: Stafford has improved every season and played every game the past seven seasons for Detroit. With only one Pro Bowl selection and no playoff wins, he hasn't produced as some fans may have liked. But the Lions clearly have their franchise QB, who is only 30.

    Stafford graded lower then Sanchez, but complaints about lacking intanglibes.

    When you look at those 2, it reminds you a lot of the Allen/Mayfield stuff on this forums. With staford being more like Allen and Sanchez more like Mayfield (ironically) and the lions went for stafford and he is a great QB, meanwhile Sanchez was a bust

    Sam Darnold, USC (2018) (grade 94)
    Pre-draft ranking: No. 4 overall

    As a prospect: "There's no question that he developed some bad habits with his footwork (lazy/sloppy with lower-body at times) and ball security (dangling ball with one hand when moving in the pocket), but both are correctible. The bottom line is that Darnold is the most complete quarterback in the 2018 class and he has the type of makeup that most good NFL starters possess. Darnold grades out as a high-level NFL starting quarterback and he projects to be a top-five pick."

    ESPN has him as the highest graded QB, however below the grades of sanchez, winston, and gabbert. 2 busts and 1 that is headed that way.

    Grade: 91


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    Josh Rosen, UCLA (2018)
    Pre-draft ranking: No. 11 overall

    As a prospect: "Rosen is the best pocket passer in the 2018 draft and is NFL ready. Accuracy, touch and timing are his best traits. Throws from a balanced base. Gets the ball out on time. He lacks ideal mobility and turnovers have been an issue (26 INTs and seven fumbles lost in 30 starts), but the reality is that Rosen carries an elite grade based solely on his tape. If a quarterback-needy team at the top of the draft passes on Rosen it will have everything to do with concerns regarding his durability and "football character."

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    Josh Allen, Wyoming (2018)
    Pre-draft ranking: No. 12 overall

    As a prospect: "Allen has elite arm strength and his accuracy is good when his feet are set properly. Also has better-than-average accuracy when on the move. Allen is one of the most physically gifted quarterbacks to come out of college in the last five years. His ceiling is incredibly but so too is his bust potential. The team/situation he's drafted into will be far more important to his success than his draft slot."

    Bortles, wentz, goff, rosen, and allen all have the same grade.
    Wentz is a stud, goff is looking like one in the making. Bortles is looking like a bust


    Grade: 90
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    Jake Locker, Tennessee Titans (2011)
    Pre-draft ranking: No. 25 overall

    As a prospect: "The concerns about Locker's inconsistent accuracy from within the pocket were expected to hurt his stock more than they did in the end. He must improve his footwork and the consistency of his release, but he has all the physical tools, enough size, strong arm and excellent mobility. There are no questions about his intangibles, either. Locker is the kind of player who can command the huddle and win over a locker room. If he can improve his fundamentals and ability to hit receivers from within the pocket he will prove to be worth the pick."

    In the NFL: The concerns about Locker's inconsistent accuracy proved true, as he had a career 57.5 percent completion percentage and 27 TDs to 11 INTs. He went 9-14 as a part-time starter in four seasons with Tennessee before retiring.

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    Johnny Manziel, Cleveland Browns (2014)
    Pre-draft ranking: No. 22 overall

    As a prospect: "Manziel is the most polarizing player in this year's draft. On the downside, there are concerns about his ability to make plays from within the pocket and stay healthy in the NFL. Plus, his off-the-field behavior has some wondering if he'll be the kind of leader who's the first player in and the last player out of the building. On the plus side, he's a fierce competitor when he takes the field, he has above-average arm strength and he is an escape artist who can buy time for his receivers to get open and break long runs when he gets a lane to scramble."

    In the NFL: Manziel's maturity has certainly been an issue, as he lasted only two tumultuous seasons with Cleveland before being cut. He's currently attempting a comeback.

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    Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma (2018)
    Pre-draft ranking: No. 18 overall

    As a prospect: "Russell Wilson is the closest NFL comparison for Mayfield in our opinion, but there are still some obvious flaws in that comp. Mayfield is one of the most polarizing players in this class, in large part due to his outstanding football character and leadership but debatable maturity. In our opinion, Mayfield grades out as a good NFL starter but he clearly comes with some red flags (measureables, footwork, played in spread offense). When all said and done; Mayfield is a likely top-10 pick in the 2018 NFL draft."

    Mayfield has the same rating as locker and manziel. 2 busts
     
  2. GQMartin

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    So we’re going to ignore he had Sanchez 3 points higher than Cam and Mariota?
     
  3. SolidGoldBowles

    SolidGoldBowles Well-Known Member

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    nope not at all. that's why I posted sanchez being so high. winston is also crazy high as well and isn't really panning out very well
     
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    I think this shows just how much this process is just all educated guesses.

    Drafts put the best players on the worst teams and often in the worst situations. Just try your best and have the best evaluation that you can.

    Unfortunately if it doesn't work with QB then expect to lose your job.

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    The only thing this thread shows me is that Todd McShay is a fucking retard.
     
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    I think that you titled the thread "good article" shows your bias in liking it because it lines up with your views on this QB class.

    Also saying that we saw none of Sanchez's accuracy or intangibles when he was here is just flat out wrong. He played very well his first two seasons. He went down hill when his line crumbled and he was asked to do more in the offense. Rex being the ultimate players coach, and Mike T take a swing and a big miss at Peyton Manning, did not help in his development what so ever.
     
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    Will I be the only Jet fan cheering when we select Quenton Nelson?
     
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    Yes you will.
     
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    You may be the only Jets fan left. Hit the lights.
     
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  10. SolidGoldBowles

    SolidGoldBowles Well-Known Member

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    I think you completely missed the point. I titled it good article because it shows how all the Qbs graded out over the past 10 years as well as which have been successful in the NFL and which one's haven't.

    Sanchez also didn't play well his 1st 2 seasons. we had to baby him, we ran a ball control heavy run offense and tough defense. Sanchez made some big throws for us no doubt, but he also didn't play well overall.
     

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