Cimini laying it out - Good Read

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  1. Cman68

    Cman68 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    Taken from today's ESPN.com/NewYork

    http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-j...t-inexcusable-playoff-drought-in-jets-history


    The article is far too long to cut and paste so please click and read if interested. Cimini almost sounds as if he's been reading our threads about how this organization has been steered onto the rocks. At this point, I don't see how keeping MacCagnan is anything but another bad personnel mistake by the Johnson Bros. Time to blow up the leadership and start over.
     
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  2. ColoradoContrails

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    For me, finding out that Macc and Bowles have been at odds since their beginning, and the fact that Macc acceded to Bowle's wishes (even if Woody ordered him to) was the clincher. Fire them both and a GM who can then hire his own HC.

    I know it won't happen, but it needs to happen.
     
  3. MoWilkBeast

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    But can the GM really hire the HC if you fire them both? First you have to hire the GM, that takes some time if you do any sort of due diligence. Then he has to run the HC search by which time you a real chance of having missed out on some candidates, probably the best ones. Running both searches together runs the risk of repeating the mistakes of the past. The only way to guarantee getting a chance at the best HC candidate seems to be keeping Mac, unpalatable as that may be to some.
     
  4. JetsNation06

    JetsNation06 Well-Known Member

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    It can be done. It's just a question of whether the Johnsons have the competence to do it. In reality these searches should be a quick process. It's just the Jets ownership group has botched them so bad in the past that it gives the appearance that it's much more lengthy that it really needs to be.

    They may want to bypass the standard process and just go all in for a big name HC like McCarthy or John Harbaugh and then find a personnel guy/GM after that.
     
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    The question is do you trust him to hire the right HC and to nail his FA signings and draft picks.
     
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    Do you trust the Johnsons to hire the right GM that will hire the right HC and nail his FA signings and draft picks?
     
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    No, which makes this a vicious cycle that never ends. Macc's 2018 draft is looking like his best so far, so he's got that going for him.
     
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  8. ColoradoContrails

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    Good point, but any good GM candidate would be knowledgeable about the potential HCs I would think. If I were the Johnsons and thinking about firing Macc, I would probably already be having some discussions behind the scenes with potential GMs and I'd ask them who their HC candidates were.
     
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    I wouldn't trust them to piss in the toilet bowl from a sitting position, so, no.
     
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    Attempting to have an arranged marriage between GM and HC back-to-back should prove to the Johnson brothers that they need to use the conventional approach. Not saying that can't work other places, but it can't work here. Trying it once and seeing the epic fail that it produced, only to turn around and repeat the very same mistake with the next regime is so idiotic that I can't believe even Woody was dumb enough to try it again.

    Fire them both. Conduct a GM search and part of the interview process it's more than fair to question if hired who they would be inclined to hire as HC. This isn't fucking rocket science. If they decide to go the McCarthy/Harbough route, so be it, let them bring their own personal man along with them. Whatever route they go, they absolutely have to have them tied at the hip. They have to be on the same timeline with similar expectations on both...
     
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    Step 1: Fire Bowles and Mac.
    Step 2: Hire better people.
    Step 3: You're welcome.
     
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    LOL...
     
  13. Acad23

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    I couldn't give a shit if Miley Cyrus was running the show.

    I just want to see some goddamn winning football.
     
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    I told Kurt in the other thread that I never though I'd ever say it, but that is a great article by Cimini and spot on.
     
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    Yes, it can be done and has been done. It's utter nonsense to say that it can't be done. There is no good reason for keeping Mac. I don't trust him with the draft and $100 million in FA, and I sure don't trust him to hire the GM.
     
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    Step 2:

    "We are pleased to announce our new General Manager and Head Coach! Please give a warm welcome to Matt Millen and Hue Ja..." *computer screen broken*
     
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    Well Miley cyrus wouldn't create winning football so you should give a shit...
     
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    That Week 3 loss to Cleveland really was the passing of the baton wasn't it.
     
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    Coach: Blue Left 69 Slit Twerk.
    Darnold: AGAIN?
    Coach: You're in a great rhythm, Sam.
    Darnold: But I keep getting sacked! Can I at least throw the ball before I get freaky?
    Coach: Trust the process.
     
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