Which rookie qb have we drafted and developed over the last 10-20 years? I can only think of Pennington. Geno had skills at WV. Nfl competition doesnt change your abilities, the reads may be more complex and the speed more intense but thats where system, qb coach, and coordinator is the key to a qb's success. The Pats can make any qb seem like a franchise qb...and almost all of the receivers teams no longer wanted seem to become all pro players. We need consistency on offense, no more 1 or 2 yr qb coaches or coordinators. ..we need a system in which we draft players that fit into it and coaches with longevity. Cowboys stuck with Garett until they gave him talent to work with and it paid off. I hope we are taking notes.
The Pats have made one QB into a franchise QB. The other guys seemed like franchise QB possibilities until they actually went somewhere and were exposed. Bledsoe was a #1 overall pick and even he wasn't the real deal. The Jets have just sucked at evaluating talent since Parcells left town. That's the problem in a nutshell. You can't keep swinging and missing on all your offensive picks except a couple of offensive linemen in the 1st and all your 2nd round picks except a LB. That will kill any team over time. I'd do a Manhattan Project on the Scouting Dept if I was the Jets. Build the best Scouting Dept in the NFL and the talent will come. No cap dollars needed for that and the cap will be well spent over time instead of wasted on mid to late career vets who drop out and create holes.
But that will take time, possibly a long time, and even the best scouting dept will make a number of mistakes. And one thing the owner and fan base aren't noted for is patience. It's becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy: you tear it down and want to build it up from the foundations and everyone gets fired before you get above ground level; you try and be competitive then you're like a hamster on a wheel going somewhere between 4 and 10 wins and never really getting anywhere.
The Steelers were the laughingstock of the NFL before the merger and then they decided they were just going to start over and do it right. They handed the reins over to the next generation to redo the scouting department, the seeds of BLESTO were formed and they became the best franchise, the model franchise, in the NFL. It can be done but you have to want to do it and you have to follow through and you have to be willing to be terrible to get there because that's going to happen somewhere in the process. Being safe is just going to lead to safe results at best.
Ken O'Brien, Boomer Esiason, Vinny Testaverde and Chad Pennington were all real QB's. They all had flaws but all of them could have taken us to a Super Bowl with a good team around them. O'Brien and Vinny almost did. Richard Todd missed taking the Jets to a Super Bowl when Don Shula cheated by turning the field into a mud bowl in Miami in '82. That's still my most aggravating loss of all time because I hated the Fins so much after they smashed us all through the '70's.
I QUOTE="Br4d, post: 3564406, member: 1847"]The Pats have made one QB into a franchise QB. The other guys seemed like franchise QB possibilities until they actually went somewhere and were exposed. Bledsoe was a #1 overall pick and even he wasn't the real deal. The Jets have just sucked at evaluating talent since Parcells left town. That's the problem in a nutshell. You can't keep swinging and missing on all your offensive picks except a couple of offensive linemen in the 1st and all your 2nd round picks except a LB. That will kill any team over time. I'd do a Manhattan Project on the Scouting Dept if I was the Jets. Build the best Scouting Dept in the NFL and the talent will come. No cap dollars needed for that and the cap will be well spent over time instead of wasted on mid to late career vets who drop out and create holes.[/QUOTE] I agree.
I agree. Starting going down hill when they let the best oline since the Super Bowl year fall apart....Fabini- Kerry Jenkins- Kevin Mawae- Randy Thomas- Jumbo
Starting going down hill when they let the best oline since the Super Bowl year fall apart....Fabini- Kerry Jenkins- Kevin Mawae- Randy Thomas- Jumbo[/QUOTE] I think the downhill sequence was: a) Parcell's cap window comes due, which led directly to: -Kerry Jenkins -Aaron Glenn -Randy Thomas -Laveranues Coles b) Bradway gets wildly exuberant in the draft -Santana Moss trade up -Bryan Thomas pick -Dewayne Robertson trade up I was done with that regime by this point. c) Parcells remaining talent ages out -Chad is injury prone -John Abraham is fragile -Curtis Martin ages out -Kevin Mawae ages out -Jason Fabini ages out Free Agent Mania begins because trading up in the draft, even for superstars, cannot sustain a team and the Jets can't draft for squat over time. Rinse and repeat.
I look at Sanchez and Geno ... I see 2 QBs while they weren't the smartest, the offense wasn't molded around their skill-sets. So yes, the Jets are QB killers. Imagine drafting a Mahomes in the Rex Ryan era with color coded wrist bands?
Don't get me wrong, I agree with your first post completely. But the owner has got to buy into it completely as well. My feeling is he will revert back to short-term fixes if progress is slow, and it almost certainly will be.
The bolded statement is just utter nonsense. It makes it sound like Parcells was great at evaluating talent and he wasn't. He was one of the worst grocery shoppers ever, and he is responsible for Bradway and Tanny. The truth of the matter is that for most of their history, the Jets have sucked at evaluating talent. Weeb was good at it. Dick Steinberg was for a few years. Mangini was pretty good at it. Now Mac is pretty good. Everyone else pretty much has been awful at it. With the boobs we've had as owners, it's no wonder that we've had incompetent GMs, and hired incompetent HCs and we could maintain no stability. Unless or until Woody sells the team, or realizes that he is most of the problem, and hires a professional football man to run the football operation, I don't have much hope that the Jets will ever build any lasting stability or be able to hire a topnotch GM, HC and scouting personnel. As long as the HC is on equal footing with the GM with both reporting to Woody, there's no hope.
You have a point, but I'm not certain that either Sanchez or Geno had strong enough skill sets that you could devise an offense around them.
FA mania began with Parcells. He didn't try to build for the future. He was all about "win now" and quick fixes. He brought in a string of older, expensive FAs.
This post I totally agree with. Most people want to play it safe. One doesn't achieve greatness by playing it safe. One has to take risks and be willing to be terrible first.
I disagree regarding Vinny Testaverde. He played like one under Parcells; otherwise, he was an idiot that never learned.
