Has anyone noticed that most of the "anyone-but-Allen" crowd have essentially dropped the accuracy argument and now are clinging on to this new Orlovsky argument?
Says you. I think he is a very good college football analyst but he's not the guy I go to for NFL draft prospect evaluation. I view him in the same light as Kirk Herbstreit.
I'll stick with the accuracy and injury concerns. That shoulder of his is going to disenegrate in 2 years I see a lot of Allen supporters point out his bad supporting cast and while that is certainly true that in 2017 he had a bad supporting cast even by MWC standards, in 2016 he had a very very good supporting cast by MWC standards and he still had a pathetic completion percentage. Josh Allen is classic case of falling in love with physical traits, if he wasn't dominant in 2016 with a good supporting cast going against bad college defenses then why should we think he will ever be dominant in the NFL
Hey thanks man! Klatt makes a hobby of bitch slapping Colin Cowturd so I'm cool with that. Honestly though, I always saw myself as more of a Ron Burgundy.
IMO the approach GMs/scouts should take towards the draft is to, first and foremost, apply a grade strictly based on talent, as that should hold the most weight. Next start adding and deducting points based on intangibles, or lack there of. Once all that is done, FINALLY, you factor in production. Is it reconcilable, underwhelming, inflated...etc considering ALL factors, (i.e., surrounding talent, scheme, coaching...etc.). Using the criteria I've outline, Allen should be the top pick. If one prefers the collegiate lifetime achievement model, then Mayfield is your pick. You should NEVER start with production. The intention should be to find the best future NFL players not reward the best college football players as those 2 groups don't always line-up. Those that follow college football a lot, like Joe Klatt for example, tend to fall into the trap of treating the draft like the Heisman trophy nomination process.
very well said. Many players produced at the college level that can't cut it at the NFL level. Same goes from high school to college. the bump up in competition at each level is fierce. Some players can work around lack of talent at other levels they can't in the NFL. Some have never faced adversity or presure like they would in the NFL and some people buckle under that. Some don't give a flying fuck and give up after their paycheck (jamarcus russell, albert hanyesworth) Pretty much the entire 10 of "all time NCAA leaders" in passing were NFL busts. even barkley only ran for like 1300 yards placing him 26th in college (think about the RB in the NFL that had the 26th most yards) college stats are meaningless for the most part when they do good, although If they do poorly it's a red flag for sure
Allen had a private workout today for the jets Josh Allen had seven visits, one private workout Posted by Mike Florio on April 20, 2018, 2:43 PM EDT UPDATE 3:02 p.m. ET: Apparently, the Jets were the team that worked Allen out.
There are certain statistical trends that are a part of the evaluation process. Games started, games won, completion percentage (it matters!), turnovers, etc. You are right, you can’t just evaluate based on stats. It would be crazy to do so, but certain stats should factor in there as well. As always, I’m fine with not agreeing on this. It doesn’t hurt my feelings if you don’t see it the same way as me.
I don’t love Allen but wouldn’t hate it if he’s the pick despite my reservations. Still I liked hearing what both Orlowsky and Klatt had to say about Allen. These guys are some of the more articulate guys out there vs Kiper/Mayock/etc..
I haven’t dropped any of my concerns about Allen ... I’ve said since the start that I want the guy that is most adept at identifying pressures, setting protections, and audibling Next time quote me
Why would I quote you if you haven't dropped any of your concerns about Allen? The accuracy to Orlovsky crowd know who they are. If the shoe doesn't fit, don't sweat it.
Saw this vid on another jets site about Josh Allen. Great insite it was on the rich eisen show with Trent dilfer And the guy from sport science watch whole video
