Got it, BUT . . . the main reason I posted the thread was because he inadvertently admitted he still uses a belt now and then and could have potentially deep-sixed his career for good. Based on all the conditions he had to meet to become - and stay - reinstated, he fckd up. Technically he could get banned from the NFL for life and his agent is doing serious damage control on Peterson's comments. I just wanted to add that I felt so sorry for Peterson in Oct. 2013 when a different son of his from a previous relationship got beaten to death by his ex-girlfriend's boyfriend. The POS who killed him (the child was 2 yrs. old) got life in prison. Turns out Peterson was an absentee father and probably only saw that child once in his life. He got a ton of sympathy for it, because it was really horrific, but who knows how much he really cared. The point I'm trying to make is less than a year later Peterson was arrested for child abuse of the child in question here. He was facing serious jail time but it got pled down. You would think after having one of your kids murdered through abuse that you would watch yourself and your temper. His recent self-incriminating off the cuff remarks could get him up shit's creek without a paddle. The fact thae he would nonchalantly say that he still occasionally uses a belt or a switch, let's just say I don't like the guy based on his previous history. I also know you're not defending his prior actions to be clear. EDIT & P.S.: More on the physical discipline debate later.
Really? I see plenty of reasons why it’s more accurate now. Teen pregnancy,suicide,school shootings, tide pod challenge, teachers sleeping with students( a little jealous that problem wasn’t around when I was in school) . These were not prevalent issues 30 years ago. I know we hate to look in the mirror when trying to figure out the source of problems but we are raising softer and softer kids that rarely hear the word no and act out when they do with no repercussions. It’s shows itself ever day
Same here only mine went . "Don't get smart" ......."Don't get dumb" ............ BOOM!!!... Down goes (joe) Frazaah!!.....Down goes Frazier!!......Down goes Frazier!!" on-topic: Redskins up the 'public relations' ante by claiming Reuben Foster off waivers after the 49'ers cut him after his latest arrest on domestic abuse charges - smh: . https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...signing-reuben-foster/?utm_term=.ab39a0b4c677 .
@FJF I have to say that for anyone 40+ there is a DECISIVE demarcation line in childhood behavior in general. We had table manners. We called people Mr. unless they said it wasn't necessary, and even then, I still didn't do it (it felt wrong to call, for i.e., a friend's Dad by his first name). We picked up after ourselves. I made my own bed. I did household chores and not light duty (I was a latch-key kid and my Mom worked like a dog). I'll take it one step further: we didn't get an allowance. I never resented it and very rarely had to be told twice to do something. We weren't angels by any means, did the typical wise-ass kid stuff, but the threat of wait until your father gets home, oh, boy. Not because we were afraid he would hit us with a belt or worse (he never hit us except for the pinky ring rap on the back of the head - it hurt like hell - and it only happened if we really pushed it). So, I wouldn't call it fear, it really was about respect. I'll put forth a juxtaposition for illustration: let me just say that my SILs kids, speaking of respect, all adults now, were so horribly disrespectful to her that it got to the point that I couldn't stand going over there. It was like they were raised by wolves or they were feral or something and that's putting it lightly. Stripping naked in a supermarket when she wouldn't buy one of them candy. Getting banned from Sears before Christmas (they went to take a family portrait for the Holidays, and one of them wandered into the utility room and shut off the power to the store). Constantly injecting themselves into adult conversation. Forget about chiding, it was if it wasn't going on and everyone was expected to ignore it. FOR HOURS. Table manners, there weren't any at all. Running around screaming, crawling under the table, grabbing food off their plates with their hands. It was appalling all the way around. The thing was, you couldn't say anything. It would always result in her storming out of a family gathering or creating a fight. I didn't want to leave out that most times her kids hands were dirty with chocolate and they'd just touch everything. One of many storm outs: somebody's suede coach got stained and ruined . . . with chocolate . . . and how dare they be upset about it, she's only two. One of the kids is developmentally disabled, but trust me, that kid knew how to work it. My BIL, on the other hand, was a big yeller and couldn't stand it, but it was essentially just pandemonium because they just wouldn't listen. They turned out very well (surprisingly) and are kind of embarrassed of it now, so that much is good; but how they were being raised was a recipe for disaster. They all got lucky. Children need policing and learn that not everything is a gimme. But let me temper it by saying that there's a difference between policing, discipline, and beating - especially if it's systematic - which I think we can all agree on. If you respected your parents it was more the threat of violence than it actually happening (which in my case, it didn't). Other than the hair-pulling, my Mom used to chase us with a broom, haha. The bottom line is, if you were told to go to your room, you fckn stayed there. All that being said, I don't think highly of Adrian Peterson. How much do you have to hit someone to get your point across? And he seriously didn't think he did anything wrong at the time because his son "didn't cry or move a muscle during the switching". OK. Guess what? You were reported to the authorities and you got off light. That was then, this is now, I know; but the fact that he would say he still does it? Not too bright. SHORT VERSION TO THIS GIANT BLOCK OF SHIT THAT NO-ONE WANTS TO READ: Police your kids, teach them manners, earn their respect, don't give them a sense of entitlement, don't beat them.
Wait, even though that ex-girlfriend of his was crazy, he got arrested for domestic violence - AGAIN?! The NFL with their bullshit 'NO MORE' domestic violence damage control campaign, remember that one?
I think my generation of kids (aged 24-30) is the last of the breed with any semblance of accountability for their own actions, self-control or responsibility and I think that's because OUR parent were incredibly strict with us--chores, punishment, denying us things we did not need but wanted. We took the good our parents did and left out the bad. I know from my perspective, I grew up in a household where my parents never spared the rod in disciplining us. Awful I disciplined my kids firmly and harshly but ALWAYS spared the rod. And my kids grew up respectful and responsible. The shit I see kids getting away with now is crazy and I gotta agree with @FJF the lack of discipline or accountability is bringing about a reckoning that is going to be really bad.
Yeah, but that young generation hasn't even gotten into positions of power yet. It's still all the people from the previous generation that was beaten and treated like crap who are making all the big decisions in the world and doing a horrible job at it with no regard for our future.
First of all, teen pregnancy is down by a lot. And teachers sleeping with students has always happened, but nowadays students report it. The rest of the things you mention are true, but the question is how much they matter. Remember, older generations did dumb things like unprotected sex, LSD, smoking, etc. IMO the biggest difference between today and back then is today we have a media (and I'm not just talking about the mainstream media, the Internet and alternative media sources are even worse) that makes money by commanding your attention. And the best way to command older people's attention is to sell them the narrative that younger people are screwed up.
Beating your kid to try to teach them manners and how to behave is pathetic. I was never beat as a kid, none of my friends were ever beat as kids, and we all turned out extremely successful adults who have never gotten into real trouble. It's clearly possible to handle your kids without having to lay hands on a kid. And judging by the fact at how casual a lot of you guys are about how often it happened, it clearly didn't work on you either. Obviously the threat of it happening didn't stop you guys so all it accomplished was beating a kid. Also, it's hilarious how some people are trying to say kids these days are so much worse than your generations were. The only difference now is your generation is using the media to greatly exaggerate stuff like the Tide Pod Challenge. One kid does it and suddenly Fox and NBC are saying all kids are doing it.
I wouldn't say the kids are worse per se. I'd say their parents are worse in many regards so you get a shittier end product. Hippy chit blow back that you never tell your kid to shut up and sit down or that helicopter parenting garbage so kids are afraid of their own shadows, I'm not sure what's worse all around. Any kid who falls off their bike without training wheels for the first time and wipes out, rub some dirt on your scraped knees and elbows and shut up. I think my folks bought stock in Bactine.
You kid, but what with the medical marijuana etc out there now, the shit on the street is way more potent than what we were doing bong rips wit back in the day.
No more seeds exploding like popcorn and no more roach clips! I was never into smoking. I could never get past the shared spit thing. I'm not a germaphobe, but yecccch, keep your nastiness over there. You should read my raspberry jam mixed with weed on toast post. We ate it instead of smoking it. Haha, I'll try to find it. Forget about I've fallen and I can't get up. It was more like I'm tripping and I can't get down.
Spanking with any implement should be considered adult sexual play. It is for lazy parents and barbarians who have no way to discipline children otherwise. The buttocks is too close to sexual organs and there is a reason people get addicted to BDSM and all it's variants and that is the endorphin release. When you spank your children(with any implement), you are associating dominance and submissiveness with an endorphin release in the brain. Go to any porn megasite and look for a spanking section, you will see quite a bit of content there. Some of it is adult play, but some of it is "age-play". Most of those poor souls were victims themselves, and it is a vicious cycle to allow it to happen in this day and age. Should be illegal, without a doubt. Peterson is a turd.
Interesting take that does make some real logical sense. It should also be noted that his son also had wounds on his scrotum, but there isn't one person in here that thinks that what he did wasn't excessive. And agreed, Peterson is a turd sandwich. I think people also have to realize that there is a distinction between being a purposeful disrespectful wise ass, and/or having no boundaries whatsoever, and just being a kid. Some of the verbal abuse I've witnessed in stores over the years, you just know that those kids get beaten at home for virtually no reason. If I ever saw someone get excessively physical in public, sorry you are getting reported to the authorities. The Lisa Steinberg case haunts me to this day. A good friend of mine swatted his daughter's behind when she was around 4 years old because she was really acting up, but generally she was very well behaved. She felt humiliated, got really upset, and wouldn't talk to him for hours. She finally blurted out, "You hit me, why did you hit me when you told me never to hit anyone?" He felt so bad, they talked about it, and he never swatted her again. There was no reason to because they BOTH learned a lesson. People will always be divided on it, but what's that saying? Some famous old-time lawyer, I can't define obscenity but I know what it is when I see it. My niece was a real trial when she was young, she would push my buttons on purpose and she knew exactly how to do it. There were times when I could see how somebody could completely lose it, especially when they're under enormous stress for a variety of reasons, but if you really start wailing on your kids you need to check yourself. Better yet, check yourself before you do. Learn some coping skills. The problem is, most people who are seriously abusive have the same mindset as Peterson: it's not abuse. There are a ton of shitty parents out there on both ends of the spectrum. Those who are verbally and physically abusive, and those who conversely let their kids run wild or they hover to the point of mental illness. That last one, to me that's just an extension of not using red pen on tests or not keeping score in soccer because it's damaging. GTF outta here with that shit. Good job right there turning your kid into an emotional cripple. All three are harmful in their own ways. Childless by choice here, but I can't tell you how many times I've been told I don't understand anything about parenting because I don't have my own kids. Translation: I would excuse bad behavior if I had children of my own. Wrong (I never excused my niece, let me tell ya), and to me, that's just a rationalization and a deflection. IMO I understand perfectly well and not just because I'm at a far more objective angle as far your shitty kid goes. I can't tell you how many children I've met that I had a serious dislike for, which is really sad, but it's the parents' fault their child is not likable and will likely turn into an unlikable adult. That is of course excluding people who are just born wrong, which is a real thing, but that's a subject for another day. Anyway, interesting discussion.
