[Harpua]

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So why is this in the Jets forum? Obviously because of Idzik. It gives a little info on how they managed things and what I believe will be the plan moving forward not Only in this cap tight year, but in the following years. Sort term contracts to keep players motivated and to keep from locking our selves into this type of situation.

But Harvin’s six-year, $67 million contract is a much riskier proposition, made possible by the proactive way Schneider and Seattle’s former cap specialist, New York Jets general manager John Idzik, managed the team’s salary cap over the past three years.

“It was really a conscious effort over the first several years as we were building this thing in trying to balance acquiring talent, and being competitive at every position as much as we possibly could,” Schneider said this last

week. “With paying as we went along and seeing how these young guys develop, now we’ve gotten to a point where we feel like we could add a piece or two or three here. And then also continue to try to make the correct decisions in the draft moving forward, and then, like I said, being able to do a couple things in free agency. But at the end of the day, we’re trying to do what’s right for the guys in the current locker room.”

The Seahawks carried over about $13.2 million in salary cap space from 2012, boosting their limit from the standard $123 million to about $136.2 million. They also saved $5 million in cap space by cutting popular, but aging, veterans Leon Washington and Ben Obomanu.

A tighter ship cap wise, with less aggressive long term moves is the right direction. Now if only we can draft well to support it.

[laxin]

I can already see a similar movement... Idzik seems like he is going to try and play younger players and try and develop the youth already on the roster without making any huge splashes in FA. Until we are in a good position to try and make a strong push through the playoffs, I expect Idzik to be relatively low key in FA, trying to keep the cap low. He may be a victim of circumstance with the Jets cap, but looking back on how Seattle was handled, I would expect something similar to this even if the cap wasnt a huge hinderance.

[Jeti]

Love it

becoming the AFC's version of the Seahawks would be great with the Patriots being our 49ers per say

Anyway Idzik has a vision and a direction and I think he'll follow course and keep building which is why I think 2013 is a transition year and 2014 we'll be back in the playoff hunt

[Harpua]

Originally Posted by laxin

I can already see a similar movement... Idzik seems like he is going to try and play younger players and try and develop the youth already on the roster without making any huge splashes in FA. Until we are in a good position to try and make a strong push through the playoffs, I expect Idzik to be relatively low key in FA, trying to keep the cap low. He may be a victim of circumstance with the Jets cap, but looking back on how Seattle was handled, I would expect something similar to this even if the cap wasnt a huge hinderance.

I'm thinking the same way you are. The real interesting issues is Rex has always leaned on his Vets over the young guys with very few notable exceptions. I wonder how that will go moving forward.

[Axel3419]

Originally Posted by laxin

I can already see a similar movement... Idzik seems like he is going to try and play younger players and try and develop the youth already on the roster without making any huge splashes in FA. Until we are in a good position to try and make a strong push through the playoffs, I expect Idzik to be relatively low key in FA, trying to keep the cap low. He may be a victim of circumstance with the Jets cap, but looking back on how Seattle was handled, I would expect something similar to this even if the cap wasnt a huge hinderance.

If this is the case, what do you think the timeline is until we can make a "strong push through the playoffs"? I'd guess it would be 3+ years from now.

[Harpua]

Originally Posted by Axel3419

If this is the case, what do you think the timeline is until we can make a "strong push through the playoffs"? I'd guess it would be 3+ years from now.

IIRC, the Seahawks made it thier second year under the current staff. TE big factor, as much as we hate to hear it, is mark Sanchez. If MM can turn him into a viable NFL QB we could be back sooner than most think. If he truly is a lost cause, we are a couple years away.

[Hobbes3259]

Harvin, aint their answer.

[rmagedon]

But...but...


...we let everybody go without signing anybody!!!

The jets suck!

[BrowningNagle]

I'm trying to be negative towards Idzik, or this policy in Seattle, but had they not struck gold with Russ Wilson, I think there'd be a different perspective around the league with Seattle.

The "paying as you go along and seeing how these young guys develop first" only works if the draft picks are good and develop. Do you think this policy would've worked had Seattle not hit big on some of their outside-the-box draft picks? I wonder how much Idzik was involved in the draft process. If he had a big role in the choosing of the players than I am more encouraged.

Not only that, but we are viewing Seattle through a smaller window...right now they have a lot of young talent on the cheap. But eventually, they are going to have to pay these young players big dollars no matter what. Sherman, Wilson, Irvin, Branch, etc. and they are not going to be able all of them and they are going to look a lot like the Jets do now. It's a cycle.

2010 Jets had the most players in the league on a contract year. You could say the Jets followed a similar policy prior to that time of acquiring as much talent as they could across the board and paying as they went along.. they were successful

But then they HAD to pay their young players and lost quite of bit of those smaller pieces.. Ferguson, Mangold, Harris, Revis, Sanchez (ugh), etc.. I could see Seattle in a similar position in a couple years.. so I'm not ready to laud them as some sort of beacon organization just yet.

[ArmandJ]

It's a cycle, yes. However, if you're good at identifying talent, your bad seasons become of the 8-8 variety instead of the 6-10 one.

[Br4dw4y5ux]

Seattle won last year because of their defense not their offense. Wilson had a great year but if you look inside the numbers the thing that got the Seahawks to 11-5 was the defense.

Seattle scored 150 points over a 3 week span (think about that for a minute) in December with Wilson passing for 524 yards over the 3 game span. He threw 57 passes, or 19 a game over that span. In the 58-0 win he completed 53.8 percent of his passes for 148 yards, a TD and an Int. Sound positively Sanchez-esque circa 2009 to you?

Seattle probably wins 10 or 11 games last year with Matt Flynn at QB. The QB wasn't the story, the defense was.

BTW, the Seahawks rushed for 724 yards over that 3-game span or an average of 241.

[JETS2013]

Originally Posted by Harpua

I'm thinking the same way you are. The real interesting issues is Rex has always leaned on his Vets over the young guys with very few notable exceptions. I wonder how that will go moving forward.

I hope Rex can adapt and still create great defences.I hope he stays, despite the fact I have a few issues with him.

[cantwait57]

The best thing I've heard all off season "There will be competition at every position" No longer will anyone be anointed nor should they feel self entitled.

[Falco21]

Originally Posted by Br4dw4y5ux

Seattle won last year because of their defense not their offense. Wilson had a great year but if you look inside the numbers the thing that got the Seahawks to 11-5 was the defense.

Seattle scored 150 points over a 3 week span (think about that for a minute) in December with Wilson passing for 524 yards over the 3 game span. He threw 57 passes, or 19 a game over that span. In the 58-0 win he completed 53.8 percent of his passes for 148 yards, a TD and an Int. Sound positively Sanchez-esque circa 2009 to you?

Seattle probably wins 10 or 11 games last year with Matt Flynn at QB. The QB wasn't the story, the defense was.

BTW, the Seahawks rushed for 724 yards over that 3-game span or an average of 241.

Yup. Everyone was riding Wilson's dick during this span also.

Their team is great because of the defense and running game. Lynch is a monster and they have a top 3 defense. This is why it gives me hope with the Jets while Rex is controlling the defense. If we get that pass rusher we have needed and we develop a quick and effective run game, we won't need an elite QB. Hell, Garrard could possibly get us 9+ wins with a top 5 defense and top running game

[Biggs]

Originally Posted by Falco21

Yup. Everyone was riding Wilson's dick during this span also.

Their team is great because of the defense and running game. Lynch is a monster and they have a top 3 defense. This is why it gives me hope with the Jets while Rex is controlling the defense. If we get that pass rusher we have needed and we develop a quick and effective run game, we won't need an elite QB. Hell, Garrard could possibly get us 9+ wins with a top 5 defense and top running game

Did Seattle make it to the AFC finals a couple of times? The Jets were loaded on D the OL and at running back and went to the finals twice before crapping out.

Seattle is only going to a SB if they got lucky on Wilson and he makes the jump to the next level. If he does in a couple of years all of this talent is going to have to be paid.

[Harpua]

Originally Posted by BrowningNagle

I'm trying to be negative towards Idzik, or this policy in Seattle, but had they not struck gold with Russ Wilson, I think there'd be a different perspective around the league with Seattle.

The "paying as you go along and seeing how these young guys develop first" only works if the draft picks are good and develop. Do you think this policy would've worked had Seattle not hit big on some of their outside-the-box draft picks? I wonder how much Idzik was involved in the draft process. If he had a big role in the choosing of the players than I am more encouraged.

Not only that, but we are viewing Seattle through a smaller window...right now they have a lot of young talent on the cheap. But eventually, they are going to have to pay these young players big dollars no matter what. Sherman, Wilson, Irvin, Branch, etc. and they are not going to be able all of them and they are going to look a lot like the Jets do now. It's a cycle.

2010 Jets had the most players in the league on a contract year. You could say the Jets followed a similar policy prior to that time of acquiring as much talent as they could across the board and paying as they went along.. they were successful

But then they HAD to pay their young players and lost quite of bit of those smaller pieces.. Ferguson, Mangold, Harris, Revis, Sanchez (ugh), etc.. I could see Seattle in a similar position in a couple years.. so I'm not ready to laud them as some sort of beacon organization just yet.

Seattle's success was not all about Wilson. They did make the playoffs with Tavaris Jackson at QB the year before. Sure they were 7-9, but that team won a playoff game as well. Wen your winning despite piss poor QB play, you have a strong roster.

Yes Seattle needs to resign some of thier guys, but as they showed with Washington they will not hesitate to let a guy go when needed. You will not see guys like Eric smith getting 3 mill a season, nor will you see slightly above average starters like Harris or Pace getting 9 mill a year.

The days of the big splash are behind us for now, maybe for always. This is a good thing. Trading away most of your picks several years in a row are also gone. Again this is a good thing. It's going to be a steady build instead of going for the quick fix. Players will not play base on their pay rate or draft status.

[Falco21]

Originally Posted by Biggs

Did Seattle make it to the AFC finals a couple of times? The Jets were loaded on D the OL and at running back and went to the finals twice before crapping out.

Seattle is only going to a SB if they got lucky on Wilson and he makes the jump to the next level. If he does in a couple of years all of this talent is going to have to be paid.

Sound familiar? LOL

Exact replica of our 2009/2010 season, minus the championship games that we reached and they haven't. A top running game and top defense goes a long way

[DirtySanchez]

The Lynch pickup a few years ago was huge for them.

[NYJetsRevis24]

Originally Posted by Jeti

Love it

becoming the AFC's version of the Seahawks would be great with the Patriots being our 49ers per say

Anyway Idzik has a vision and a direction and I think he'll follow course and keep building which is why I think 2013 is a transition year and 2014 we'll be back in the playoff hunt

We alreadly were Afcs version of the Seahawks 2 years ago,and took 10 steps backwards. Now we are AFCS version of "Animal House".

[NYJetsRevis24]

Originally Posted by Falco21

Yup. Everyone was riding Wilson's dick during this span also.

Their team is great because of the defense and running game. Lynch is a monster and they have a top 3 defense. This is why it gives me hope with the Jets while Rex is controlling the defense. If we get that pass rusher we have needed and we develop a quick and effective run game, we won't need an elite QB. Hell, Garrard could possibly get us 9+ wins with a top 5 defense and top running game

The Seahawks get way to much credit to me. This past year was there first winning season since 07, 11-5 and it shoulda been 10-6 and they shoulda missed the playoffs due to the Packers robbery. 7-9 in 2011 7-9 in 2010 5-11 2009 4-12 2008. Why are people catapulting them to elite because of one season