[laxin]

So there's a thread in the main forum about the WCO in general, and of course it has turned into Mark Sanchez bickering... So I look to the real part of this forum to really talk about this.

So what do you guys think this switch to the WCO has on our personnel on our team currently and from a draft perspective?

Some of my initial thoughts-

As far as fits go... This may make Howard more serviceable from a pass blocking stand point. Im interested to to see how the guard position shakes out. Im not too familiar with the WCO in terms of personnel on the OL and what to look for though.

From a common sense stand point, Kerley and Holmes seem like solid fits.

I definitely think we have to add a very talented RB through the draft- one who can catch out of the backfield and play on all 3 downs. Gio Bernard becomes ideal and might remind them of McCoy, Jawan Jamison would be very good also because he is explosive in both the run and passing game, and Eddie Lacy is just a great player.

At the WR position- Cordarelle Patterson would be a great fit for YAC. Quinton Patton would be a perfect fit- doesnt rely on speed to create separation, great route runner and quick in and out of routes. Nuk Hopkins is very dynamic and so is Markus Wheaton- both can make plays and can get separation.

Ryan Nassib might be an intriguing option at the QB position in the 2nd- he has very good footwork and great accuracy within 20 yards. His release is quick and his arm is very close to exceptional. Most importantly, he has very good anticipation which from my understanding is key in WCO. He can anticipate when a WR is going to be open and throw to a spot instead of to where the WR is. He was already my favorite prospect and now this change makes it more interesting... not saying its the way to go, but interesting to say the least.

What do you guys think? Lets get some real discussion going

[Jeti]

QB- Geno Smith if he falls or Matt Barkley would be great fits. We need to get the QB 1st since we're really switching the entire offense around

RB- Giovani Bernard, Stepfan Taylor and Mike Gillislee all make good options and Eddie Lacy looks like he'd fit to an extent

WR- Keenan Allen, Tavon Austin, Robert Woods, Deandre Hopkins and Quinton Patton all seem like the best fits for us in the WCO

TE- Zach Ertz, Tyler Eifert, Jordan Reed, Travis Kelce, Ryan Otten and Gavin Escobar all will fit in as well

[CleveSteve]

For WCO, I like Smith at QB as well.

I like Keenan Allen, Justin Hunter, and maybe Aaron Dobson as outside receivers.

Really like Swope and Bailey as slot guys in a WCO.

Zac Stacy could be a very good WCO back. he's tough and a good receiver. Those are the guys off the top of my head I think are fits.

Edit - and I agree with Jeti on Hopkins and Gillislee, though I'm not sure how he is in pass pro. I like Ellington from Clemson as well.

[NFL]

I don't watch much College football, but looking mainly at stats, u can't figure out why so many people don't like Genome Smith. He threw a lot of touchdowns to very little amount of picks and his accuracy is really good. It seems like he would fit in the West Coast really well.

We definitely need a playmaking RB though, I would say in the second but I would really like us to also take a flyer on Lattimore on the later rounds though.

[xxedge72x]

Originally Posted by NFL

I don't watch much College football, but looking mainly at stats, u can't figure out why so many people don't like Genome Smith. He threw a lot of touchdowns to very little amount of picks and his accuracy is really good. It seems like he would fit in the West Coast really well.

We definitely need a playmaking RB though, I would say in the second but I would really like us to also take a flyer on Lattimore on the later rounds though.

Because him and west virginia folded like a piece of paper when their schedule got more difficult.

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[NFL]

Originally Posted by xxedge72x

Because him and west virginia folded like a piece of paper when their schedule got more difficult.

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He still completed 71% of his passes and threw 36 more TDs than Picks. I know they lost about half their games, but his stats are pretty impressive.

[laxin]

Originally Posted by NFL

He still completed 71% of his passes and threw 36 more TDs than Picks. I know they lost about half their games, but his stats are pretty impressive.

They are, and he has a very good skill set to work with. He gets a bad rap around here, but thats mostly because he's no RG3 or Luck. But who's saying he cant be a Russel Wilson? Just because he isnt an elite talent and a consensus #1 overall pick doesnt mean he doesnt present good value at 9.

He does have heart and loves the game of football too so thats always key. I will agree with the above that WVU crumbling at the end of the season is a concern.

[Win4ever]

Hmm, this does make me wonder if we go Smith or Barkley in the draft. I was sure they were going to pass on QB with the first pick, but now, not as sure.

I still think the value is to skip the first round of QBs and pick from the lot in the later rounds, because the talent level difference isn't huge.

That being said, I do like Smith as a prospect. I think he has good arm strength, vision, athletic ability, and is a very good pocket passer. I'm not as high in Barkley though, because his arm strength just isn't there, and I'm worried this sort of is Brian Brohm 2.0 here. But with our new GM and OC, Smith looks like someone that has a good shot at being picked by us if he lasts that long, but I'm not sure that is optimal value. I know the teams behind us may not be looking for a QB, so there is a shot for us to move back in the draft a bit I guess, while risking someone trading up.

[wildaces]

We are actually pretty well set for a WCO offense. Holmes is a good route runner, and Kerley has shown some nice flashes. Hill, if he can catch the ball, is a beast to bring down, but at the very least, he is a deep threat. Hill will stretch the field, opening up holes for the crossing routes.

We need a very smart QB. Sanchez's biggest problem. McElroy would be serviceable. McElroy, is smart, and will put the ball there on timing routes.

Warning: Timing routes themselves can lead to turn overs. If the QB sees something different, he is going to through the ball, and trust that the WR will be there. Chemistry is the most important aspect of the west coast offense.

Powell, IMO, could be the next RB out of the woods in the west coast offense.

Our offensive line is pretty good, contrary to popular believe. The 3, 5, and even 7 step and ball out will only improve our offensive line.

Our needs in my opinion are a stud guard, and a versatile athlete (Tavon Austin).

[CasinoBlitz]

I think Matt Barkley would thrive in a WCO.

I know a lot of people are saying NO USC QB after Sanchez, Leinart, Palmer. If he's there in the 2nd round though, I'd take him. Someone will probably trade up into the late first for him though.

The knock on him is his arm strength, but he's got great accuracy and comes from a WCO system under Lane Kiffin.

I'd also try to pick up Robert Woods, think he's phenomenal in the short/intermediate passing game, can play outside or in the slot, and is excellent for YAC with the ball in his hands. Can also get deep on occasion if you want him to but he's more quick than straightline fast.

Like Andre Ellington at RB too

[NFL]

Cordarrelle Patterson is my favorite WR coming out. He's a big fast guy that has really good moves when he has the ball in his hands.

[The GM]

Originally Posted by wildaces

We are actually pretty well set for a WCO
Our needs in my opinion are a stud guard, and a versatile athlete (Tavon Austin).

I would not be shocked at all to see our 2nd round selection be one of: OL Barrett Jones from Bama, OL DJ Fluker from Bama if he falls, OL Kyle Long from Oregon, or trade down a little and take OG Larry Warford from Kentucky.

Fluker probably won't be there, Jones may not make it either, and Kyle Long is someone I see as a big time riser after combine and pro days and all star games. He can play every position but center and is considered to be a more athletic prospect than his brother, DE Chris Long on the Rams. Could be a stud RT or RG for us.

Tavon Austin won't work out for us in this draft because #9 is too high and he should get taken before our 2nd rounder. He could fall to our 2nd, but using it on a utility player is probably too much of a luxury given our needs on the line, at safety, at linebacker, at QB, at RB, and at TE since I think Keller is gone.

I do believe you on taking an athlete for the WCO however, and think Denard Robinson could end up here. Idzik hails from Seattle, we there took Penn State QB Michael Robinson and turned him into a standout special teams player and fullback/running back -- he's now a captain there. He could take Michigan's QB Denard Robinson and turn him into a receiver/return man/running back/wildcat QB and standout special teams player. He'd bring back what we lost with Brad Smith, both on offense and special teams, and Rex still wants the wildcat to be an option I'm sure. The hiring of Idzik -- where this kind of move has successfully been done -- and our need to replace Tebow and even longer, Brad Smith, makes it seem possible if not likely.

[blackssmagic]

Laxin,

When I look at this I see the need for Doug Martin x 10. Is McKnight that guy for us but has never been given an opportunity?

I think Gio might be gone by our 2nd rnd pick and if so I am fine with that. The rest of these backs people talk about such as Ball and Bell dont fit that system.

What about Graham from Pitt later in the draft?

[TNJet]

Cordarrelle Patterson is a game changer at WR. Draft him.

Get Teddy next year.

[Jeti]

Geno and WVU slip late in the season could lead him right to us at 9. Marty Mornhinweg is a great QB developer and Geno needs a little work around the edges but he seems ideal for us. We cant go into the season with Mark at QB, Flynn is too expensive as is Alex Smith, Michael Vick and whoever the hell else. I think Geno with some patch work on the O-Line and a better run game is the way to go for us especially if the defense improves their pass rush

[Jeti]

Originally Posted by TNJet

Cordarrelle Patterson is a game changer at WR. Draft him.

Get Teddy next year.

lets put it this way

Geno is there at 9, do you pass on him with the hopes that Teddy is there for us in 2014 or do you take a QB with just as much upside who can be coached up this year and built around the proper way

[NFL]

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Originally Posted by Jeti

lets put it this way

Geno is there at 9, do you pass on him with the hopes that Teddy is there for us in 2014 or do you take a QB with just as much upside who can be coached up this year and built around the proper way

I'm with you bro, if Geno falls to us we take him. It would increase this rebuilding process that were going into by a ton. I wouldn't even call it rebuilding. We'll just need a Guard and RB in the draft, for this season at least. We do need at least one OLB and it would be hard to find it the later rounds, but I think that anyone in the later rounds can do the same that Pace and Thomas did. We'll also need safety help but we wouldn't need as good safety's because of Revis coming back.

[laxin]

Originally Posted by Jeti

lets put it this way

Geno is there at 9, do you pass on him with the hopes that Teddy is there for us in 2014 or do you take a QB with just as much upside who can be coached up this year and built around the proper way

Geno doesnt have as much upside as Bridgewater... But I think your statement is fairly accurate- do you pass a good prospect in hopes of getting a great prospect the next year?

Knowing the Jets, we would miss out on Bridgewater, or we would be in place to draft him but he would decide to go back to school...


But hypothetically, if we were to draft Geno or Nassib and the plan is for them to start day 1, I truly think drafting offense the entire draft is the way to go. Lets face it, if we threw a young QB into an offense like this, he would end up like Sanchez. If we were to risk it on a QB this year, the only way that pick doesnt become a waste is if we put a ton of offensive talent around him and hope for a Colts like situation.

[ajax]

Originally Posted by Jeti

lets put it this way

Geno is there at 9, do you pass on him with the hopes that Teddy is there for us in 2014 or do you take a QB with just as much upside who can be coached up this year and built around the proper way

Don't think there's a universal answer but I'd pass on Geno.

With lack of talent on offense I'd be worried that Geno will go out there and get McElroy crushed & that's just a waste of a top draft pick. After this upcoming draft, what' really going to be added to the offensive side of the ball? Because if Geno takes the first round, the defense will be addressed in rounds 2 and/or 3.

It's possible to miss out on Manziel & Bridgewater but the Jets won't be able to give Geno significant play time this season anyway. QB drafted after Manziel/Bridgewater will be dealing with a more talented Jets offense than what Geno inherits one year earlier.

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I'm making some assumptions here which could very well be wrong:
1) Think the benefit of Geno holding a clipboard doesn't justify the Jets passing an opportunity to close really big hole on D with first rounder.
2) Salary dumps and an additional draft will give Jets more talent to surround young QB.
3) Two QB will go quick in the draft but there's chance QB drafted later can still be a difference maker (like this season's draft after RG3 & Luck).

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Also, we don't know if Rex and his coaching staff will be here for more than one season. If new GM cleans house after his first year then I'd prefer the new incoming HC and his OC be allowed to give input when Potential Starting QB is drafted.


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If Geno is skipped, Jets can select a defender capable of sealing the edge to replace LB core with a lot of openings. I'd prefer this because 2nd round can yield a starting OL and 3rd round can also be used to upgrade offense.

Not as dramatic as QB upgrade but the offense will upgrade in two areas & one big hole on D is closed for a few years (hopefully). Much better situation to bring in a young QB one year later.

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