[Bannon]

I'll make my argument for you to consider:

1. He's the #2 quarterback on this team for a reason. Next man up.

2. He's a big and strong quarterback, with a great arm. Given some quality reps in this offense, he can really do well. Heck, the Jets didn't ask much of McElroy yesterday -- if Tebow ran that, he could make those throws and add some runs as well.

3. Tebow gives the Jets the best chance to win Sunday. Games aren't decided by X's and O's. A couple of big plays could make all the difference.

4. Tebow could be the next starter for the Jets. They're in a real world of hurt, salary cap wise, and they may need a candidate with a contract that can help them bridge the gap of shedding the Sanchez contract.

5. McElroy doesn't have the arm strength or overall athleticism to start in this league. He should settle in as a popular and trusty backup.

6. There is no rule that McElroy has to start just because he came in the other day during a win -- that principle has some value, but is at least cancelled out by Tebow's having won the #2 job on the depth chart.

All of this is nullified if Tebow's rib makes him unable to be effective.

This is it Jets -- you've got a chance to start a new history. See what you've got in the kid.

[Diddy]

Here the deal, people love the unknown, like Tebow last year. But people know Tebow now, that is why people want McElroy. I think he has earned an opportunity, McElroy that is.

[dwalsh]

1) He could have been the number 2 so that they could use him in the Wild Cat & on STs. For all we know, McElroy is the QB who would step up if Sanchez were to get hurt (I know Rex has said Tebow would, but I have a hard time believing that). By doing this, they are saving a roster spot each game day

2) He has a strong arm, not a great arm. He struggles to throw a spiral and is wildly inaccurate. Career completion percentage under 50%

3/4) This is an opinion, but I disagree with both of your statements. He is a role player, not a starting QB. While big plays are nice, taking care of the ball and being a game manager is very important - let's see if McElroy can do that over the course of an entire game

5) McElroy's arm looked significantly stronger yesterday than it did his rookie year in pre-season. He is also fairly athletic, enough for a QB. Ultimately, his career is probably as a backup, but lets see what we have him him.

6) I agree with you on this one.

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Ultimately, I think that IF Rex Ryan gives the start to McElroy over Sanchez, that all 3 QBs will be active, and we will see a lot of the Tebow package so that the final ratio between McElroy & Tebow is about 65-35

[displacedfan]

Originally Posted by Bannon

I'll make my argument for you to consider:

1. He's the #2 quarterback on this team for a reason. Next man up.

2. He's a big and strong quarterback, with a great arm. Given some quality reps in this offense, he can really do well. Heck, the Jets didn't ask much of McElroy yesterday -- if Tebow ran that, he could make those throws and add some runs as well.

3. Tebow gives the Jets the best chance to win Sunday. Games aren't decided by X's and O's. A couple of big plays could make all the difference.

4. Tebow could be the next starter for the Jets. They're in a real world of hurt, salary cap wise, and they may need a candidate with a contract that can help them bridge the gap of shedding the Sanchez contract.

5. McElroy doesn't have the arm strength or overall athleticism to start in this league. He should settle in as a popular and trusty backup.

6. There is no rule that McElroy has to start just because he came in the other day during a win -- that principle has some value, but is at least cancelled out by Tebow's having won the #2 job on the depth chart.

All of this is nullified if Tebow's rib makes him unable to be effective.

This is it Jets -- you've got a chance to start a new history. See what you've got in the kid.

1) and 6) -> Tebow was handed the #2 role like Sanchez was handed the #1 role. There was no competition. He came in and was #2. Doesn't mean much. Tebow was injured and not available and Greg came in and did an acceptable job.

2) If Sanchez ran that we would have succeeded also. Actually it's exactly what we ran in 2009 except with a weaker run game. No game is going to be that easy. You want to know another big and strong quarterback with a great arm, JaMarcus Russell or even Joe Flacco. The spectrum is endless, just because Tebow has that doesn't mean he is better.

3) That's not a fact, it's an opinion. Tebow hasn't practiced in how long and and is coming off an injury. Also, if the Jets retool their offense he might give them the best shot, but the Jets don't really have the players or coach to try to run Tebow's best offense. Right now, their whole plan and philosophy fits McElroy much more than Tebow or Sanchez.

4) So could Greg McElroy and he could be a viable backup who could hold the spot as we search for the future. He would be less divisive force in the fans and media than Tebow and would be less of a distraction than Tebow. They could also keep the offense they want and have McElroy run it instead of going all in supporting Tebow. McElory is actually the safer answer for what you are explaining as Tebow is taking a risk if you want to maximize his potential.

5) Tebow doesn't have accuracy or throwining ability to start in this league. He should settle in as a career big name backup who can run the wildcat. Wouldn't you get outrage if someone said that? For a fan of a QB who has overcome many odds and people writing him off, you are writing off another QB very quickly who has gotten even less of a chance than Tebow ever did. You are also writing off a successful college QB (sound familiar) and someone nobody believed in as a starter (sound familiar) and someone who has not been given a fair shot yet (sound familiar)?

6) related to 1.

And your last sentence pertains to McElroy also.

Tebow will get another shot to start in the NFL, I don't think this is the year for it unless the Jets suffer some QB injuries.

[Bannon]

Originally Posted by displacedfan

5) Tebow doesn't have accuracy or throwining ability to start in this league. He should settle in as a career big name backup who can run the wildcat. Wouldn't you get outrage if someone said that?

I'm not sure what you mean by this -- I've heard or read it 1,000 times. Why would I get outraged?

I mean, isn't it what you think?

[Backup QB]

Originally Posted by displacedfan

1) and 6) -> Tebow was handed the #2 role like Sanchez was handed the #1 role. There was no competition. He came in and was #2. Doesn't mean much. Tebow was injured and not available and Greg came in and did an acceptable job.

5/7 for 29 yards 1TD is not that impressive, but he didn't screw it up. Didn't impress, but didn't fail either.

[Bannon]

Originally Posted by displacedfan

Tebow will get another shot to start in the NFL, I don't think this is the year for it unless the Jets suffer some QB injuries.

Why do you think this? If he doesn't get a shot this year, when would it ever be a better shot?

He's the #2 quarterback, and it seems like everybody wants the Jets to go out of their way to be sure he doesn't start. Meanwhile, teams like the Cardinals can have a 3 way dumpster fire just to see what they have.

[Backup QB]

Originally Posted by Diddy

...I think he has earned an opportunity, McElroy that is.

Earned? I think Tebow has done more to earn a shot.

[Diddy]

Originally Posted by Backup QB

5/7 for 29 yards 1TD is not that impressive, but he didn't screw it up. Didn't impress, but didn't fail either.

That in itself is a upgrade over Sanchez.

[Diddy]

Originally Posted by Backup QB

Earned? I think Tebow has done more to earn a shot.

He did stink up in the preseason you know.

[LongTimeJetsFan]

Originally Posted by Bannon

Why do you think this? If he doesn't get a shot this year, when would it ever be a better shot?

He's the #2 quarterback, and it seems like everybody wants the Jets to go out of their way to be sure he doesn't start. Meanwhile, teams like the Cardinals can have a 3 way dumpster fire just to see what they have.

I don't think the Jets ever really saw him as the #2 QB. I think he was #2 on gameday so they could use him in other ways.

[Diddy]

Originally Posted by LongTimeJetsFan

I don't think the Jets ever really saw him as the #2 QB. I think he was #2 on gameday so they could use him in other ways.

If that is true, why not dress 3 QBs, also didn't Brad Smith get an opportunity to be a starting QB in 2007?

[dwalsh]

Originally Posted by Diddy

If that is true, why not dress 3 QBs

because they would rather put that roster spot to another player, such as a ST player or an extra DB or DL depending on the opponent.

[Backup QB]

Originally Posted by Diddy

That in itself is a upgrade over Sanchez.

But it's not impressive.

[Backup QB]

Originally Posted by LongTimeJetsFan

I don't think the Jets ever really saw him as the #2 QB. I think he was #2 on gameday so they could use him in other ways.

Yep. I agree with that.

[Backup QB]

Originally Posted by Diddy

If that is true, why not dress 3 QBs, also didn't Brad Smith get an opportunity to be a starting QB in 2007?

We're not talking about Brad Smith.

[Backup QB]

Originally Posted by Diddy

He did stink up in the preseason you know.

Pre-season doesn't count.

[Diddy]

Originally Posted by Backup QB

Pre-season doesn't count.

Does to many players that got cut, including a good friend that was a TE who was signed by the Pats and released after stinking it up in practice. He was on the roster for a week.

[displacedfan]

Originally Posted by Bannon

I'm not sure what you mean by this -- I've heard or read it 1,000 times. Why would I get outraged?

I mean, isn't it what you think?

No, I think Tebow could be a good NFL quarterback, I think the odds are against him and I don't think the Jets will fully commit to the offense that best suits him the remainder of this year and in the end I don't think he will be a successful NFL QB based on what I saw. I reserve judgement to call it 100% certain until I see him again after having a full offseason adn season to pratice and train. But hypothetically his max was what we saw last year, I don't think he ends up being a successful QB. Now if he imprvoes sure, but Sanchez was supposed to have that magically improvement and it never happened. Matt Ryan is supposed to be a playoff winning QB by now and it hasn't happened. Eli was supposed to regress and it hasn't happened. I think Tebow played okay last year and I don't see that replicating itself. He needs to improve as a QB but some basic things are there. The thing is that the system that maximizes his talent is a system that NFL teams are wary to go to. So if Tebow can become a good "traditional" QB, but that I mean a Big Ben esque QB, he could become a very potent QB. I haven't see that from him and judging from what I have seen, it doesn't look good. But again, he hasn't had whole offseason to practice or put on a team that buys into him. One of the reasons I don't think he will be successful in the long run is because no team will fully buy into him. It sucks for him, but that could stop him from being a starting QB for a long time. This is a very stream of thought answer so there will be tons of typos and it might not be coherent, but end of the day:

Based on what I saw, Tebow has to get better to remain a successful starting QB in this league. A team has to buy into Tebow if Tebow doesn't improve dramatically. A team has to stay steady with Tebow for a couple years. That's how I think Tebow can remain a successful starting QB, I don't think that happens so I don't think he will be .

Also, you guys hate the argument when used against Tebow but you used it to discredit McElroy. Can't go both ways.

Originally Posted by Backup QB

5/7 for 29 yards 1TD is not that impressive, but he didn't screw it up. Didn't impress, but didn't fail either.

If I read correctly he received 0 1st team reps and just played scout team QB all week. I was impressed by the little things he did that a 3rd stringer usually doesn't do.

Originally Posted by Bannon

Why do you think this? If he doesn't get a shot this year, when would it ever be a better shot?

He's the #2 quarterback, and it seems like everybody wants the Jets to go out of their way to be sure he doesn't start. Meanwhile, teams like the Cardinals can have a 3 way dumpster fire just to see what they have.

Because I think he would be most successful in a team that commits to him. That means utilizing him so his legs can do as much damage as his arm. I think having a full offseason to do this would better judge Tebow as a QB than throwing him in this system and watching him struggle.

Well the Cardinals also suffered injuries to both their top 2 QBs and then saw the garbage they have in Lindley.

[Bannon]

Originally Posted by displacedfan

Also, you guys hate the argument when used against Tebow but you used it to discredit McElroy. Can't go both ways.

What argument? Guys get a shot because teams think they're the best option available. I've never asked for any special favors for Tebow -- if he played for the Patriots, it would be backup city. If he played for JAX, I'd argue that Gabbert should be benched.

Happens to be here, there's an opening. I think I'd find out what Tebow's got rather than what McElroy's got.

Because I think he would be most successful in a team that commits to him. That means utilizing him so his legs can do as much damage as his arm. I think having a full offseason to do this would better judge Tebow as a QB than throwing him in this system and watching him struggle.

Sure, it would be better for Tebow to get some kind of perfect shot, where he's not asked to come in midstream -- a full offseason, with a system designed for that.

But he doesn't get that -- he gets the shots that open up. From here on out in his NFL career, he will never get that. Teams don't do that for players they didn't draft. He's going to have to come in as a backup to get his shot.

It's not like the Jets can just select a franchise QB in next year's draft. They don't grow on trees. I think they may live to regret it if they don't find out what Tebow can do here.

He's been working very hard on changing his mechanics -- that means you don't get to "look good" for a while, but it pays dividends on the field.