[dcm1602]

Originally Posted by BeastBeach

Have you missed the 3 or 4 times in this thread where it was noted that he was injured all last year? And you're not backing up your scrub label with any facts. I'm going off his play in this league and I'm still trying to figure out what you are going on.

how about this

Hes been in this league 9 years

His best season was 3600 yards 15 tds, 13 ints, and 7 fumbles.

That was the absolute pinnacle of his career.

His second best season 3600 yards, 15 tds, 10 ints, and a monsterous 14 fumbles.

And those are his only 2 seasons of his entire career over 3000 passing yards.

Also there are 32 starting qbs in the league.

Not only was he offered one of those top 32 spots, but he landed on a team with one of the worst qb situations in the entire league, for minimal money, and many people believe hes the THIRD best qb on that roster.

You can sit there and say blah blah blah his injury was the reason he couldnt get a job.

But the fact is the QB is the single most important position in ALL of sports. Peyton Manning missed a full season with FAR FAR more serious health problems, major major surgeries, and is older. Yet he got a giganormous deal loaded with mega mega cash over 5 years.

Yes I understand Peyton is one of the all time greats, but the QB position is just so important that teams are willing to risk it. So if Garrard was even fractionally mediocre as a QB, you would think he might land a multi year deal, or something even decent with decent cash.

But he got dog shit, because he is a terrible QB.

To deny that is absolute ridiculous.


(and no im not being biased because hes on the Fins, because as ive mentioned several times. I think Moore is a promising kid, and id love to have him on the Jets. Maybe not as a starter but hes not bad and hes got potential)

[BeastBeach]

Originally Posted by dcm1602

how about this

Hes been in this league 9 years

His best season was 3600 yards 15 tds, 13 ints, and 7 fumbles.

That was the absolute pinnacle of his career.

His second best season 3600 yards, 15 tds, 10 ints, and a monsterous 14 fumbles.

And those are his only 2 seasons of his entire career over 3000 passing yards.

Also there are 32 starting qbs in the league.

Not only was he offered one of those top 32 spots, but he landed on a team with one of the worst qb situations in the entire league, for minimal money, and many people believe hes the THIRD best qb on that roster.

You can sit there and say blah blah blah his injury was the reason he couldnt get a job.

But the fact is the QB is the single most important position in ALL of sports. Peyton Manning missed a full season with FAR FAR more serious health problems, major major surgeries, and is older. Yet he got a giganormous deal loaded with mega mega cash over 5 years.

Yes I understand Peyton is one of the all time greats, but the QB position is just so important that teams are willing to risk it. So if Garrard was even fractionally mediocre as a QB, you would think he might land a multi year deal, or something even decent with decent cash.

But he got dog shit, because he is a terrible QB.

To deny that is absolute ridiculous.


(and no im not being biased because hes on the Fins, because as ive mentioned several times. I think Moore is a promising kid, and id love to have him on the Jets. Maybe not as a starter but hes not bad and hes got potential)

You are being intentionally misleading and it is clear at this point you have no intention of being objective or rational. If you were, you would have picked his real best seasons, which were:

2007- 2500 yds, 18 TDs 3 Int, 102.2 QB rating(3rd in the entire league...scrub?), in which he led them to an 11-5 record, a road playoff win against Pittsburgh and losing to the undefeated Patriots

2010- 2700 yds, 23 TDs 15 Int and 5 rushing TD, 90.8 QB rating, which was his last year as a starter...far from being a scrub

I'm not surprised that the only thing you looked at was yardage, which is far from the most important stat, because it is clear you are just trying to save your argument at this point.

And anybody who believes he is the 3rd best QB on the Phins roster is simply uninformed. In fact, he is the front runner for the job.

Bringing up Peyton Manning. I'm gonna pass on commenting on that one.

And sorry, but no matter how many times you call him a "scrub" or "terrible" it doesn't make up for your argument that is lacking in facts.

I wish you would just admit you started off talking out of your ass and then were forced to defend a silly position. I mean for god's sake, what is so hard about saying he is "average"?

[BeastBeach]

Just because I don't feel like letting you off so easily:

2010(Garrard's last season as a starter)

Ranked 7th in completion %=above average
23rd in yards=below average
8th in yards per attempt=above average
13th in TDs=above average
13th in QB rating=above average
8-8 Record=average

All of that with Mike Thomas, Mike Sims-Walker, Jason Hill, Tiquan Underwood, Kasim Osgood, and Marcedes Lewis

Not finding any information that shows him being "terrible" or a "scrub".

[dcm1602]

Originally Posted by BeastBeach

Just because I don't feel like letting you off so easily:

2010(Garrard's last season as a starter)

Ranked 7th in completion %=above average
23rd in yards=below average
8th in yards per attempt=above average
13th in TDs=above average
13th in QB rating=above average
8-8 Record=average

All of that with Mike Thomas, Mike Sims-Walker, Jason Hill, Tiquan Underwood, Kasim Osgood, and Marcedes Lewis

Not finding any information that shows him being "terrible" or a "scrub".

lol ill totally eat crow on not realizing how well he played in some of his shortened seasons, im actually shocked his numbers came off that good.

However I still think Garrard is still considered a scrub, especially considering his contract situation.

If this guy was anything close to legit he would of landed a legit contract for multiple years. Obviously the risk of his injury would be factored in, however as we saw with Manning so what. A QB is a QB, and NO GMs quite frankly didnt see Garrard as a valuable piece

[Harpua]

Garrard's biggest thing going against him is he is at best average. That is why he did not get a longer deal at some point in his career. He is a qb a team can win with, but not the type that is going to win games with his arm alone. Right now looking back on his career, it's very much like what Sanchez has been so far. When the jags had a very good defense and running game he won a lot. When either of those parts faltered, he was not able to be a difference maker on his own.

[BeastBeach]

Originally Posted by dcm1602

lol ill totally eat crow on not realizing how well he played in some of his shortened seasons, im actually shocked his numbers came off that good.

However I still think Garrard is still considered a scrub, especially considering his contract situation.

If this guy was anything close to legit he would of landed a legit contract for multiple years. Obviously the risk of his injury would be factored in, however as we saw with Manning so what. A QB is a QB, and NO GMs quite frankly didnt see Garrard as a valuable piece

Well he is on the wrong side of 30 and is an average QB who can't carry a team to a Super Bowl so not many teams would want to give him a multi-year deal. Peyton Manning has proven he can lead a team to a SB so that is well worth the risk, even with his age and injury concerns. Just because Garrard is not a QB that can win in the short term like Peyton, and is not a QB you can build the future around does not make him a scrub or a bad QB. Guys like Kyle Orton and Matt Cassell are not scrubs either. Tyler Palko is a scrub

Originally Posted by Harpua

Garrard's biggest thing going against him is he is at best average. That is why he did not get a longer deal at some point in his career. He is a qb a team can win with, but not the type that is going to win games with his arm alone. Right now looking back on his career, it's very much like what Sanchez has been so far. When the jags had a very good defense and running game he won a lot. When either of those parts faltered, he was not able to be a difference maker on his own.

This I agree with 100%

[dcm1602]

Originally Posted by BeastBeach

Well he is on the wrong side of 30 and is an average QB who can't carry a team to a Super Bowl so not many teams would want to give him a multi-year deal. Peyton Manning has proven he can lead a team to a SB so that is well worth the risk, even with his age and injury concerns. Just because Garrard is not a QB that can win in the short term like Peyton, and is not a QB you can build the future around does not make him a scrub or a bad QB. Guys like Kyle Orton and Matt Cassell are not scrubs either. Tyler Palko is a scrub




This I agree with 100%

Matt Cassel got a 6 year 63 million dollar contract

Orton got a 3 year 11 million dollar contract

Garrard got a 1 year piece of shit contract, where he will very likely will not be retained by the Dolphins.

Fact is teams find Orton and Cassel significantly more valuable than anyone found Garrard.

And hes really not THAT old I mean 34 for a qb isnt ancient or anything

[Harpua]

Originally Posted by dcm1602

Matt Cassel got a 6 year 63 million dollar contract

Orton got a 3 year 11 million dollar contract

Garrard got a 1 year piece of shit contract, where he will very likely will not be retained by the Dolphins.

Fact is teams find Orton and Cassel significantly more valuable than anyone found Garrard.

And hes really not THAT old I mean 34 for a qb isnt ancient or anything

34 coming off a back injury that had him miss an entire season is ancient and in fear of being washed up.

Cassel and Kolb hit the perfect situation. They had shown flashes of good play, but never enough time to prove for a fact that they were not completely average guys. Garrard, much like Jason Campbell, has had a good long starting streak of proving they are efficent, average at best QB's. Hence no big time over paying for thier services.

[BeastBeach]

Originally Posted by dcm1602

Matt Cassel got a 6 year 63 million dollar contract

Orton got a 3 year 11 million dollar contract

Garrard got a 1 year piece of shit contract, where he will very likely will not be retained by the Dolphins.

Fact is teams find Orton and Cassel significantly more valuable than anyone found Garrard.

And hes really not THAT old I mean 34 for a qb isnt ancient or anything

Matt Cassel and Orton weren't meant to be direct comparisons in terms of value. Obviously they are younger by 4-5 years and not coming off injury. I was speaking in terms of talent.

Remember what we are discussing here: Whether or not Garrard is a scrub or terrible QB. I think I have proven my point beyond a doubt.

But I will say this: Matt Cassel got that contract when he was at his absolute peak value. Do you think Cassel would yield 6 years 63 million right now? How about when he is 34? As for Kyle Orton, the Cowboys overpaid a little because Romo being injured has ruined a couple of their seasons. Will he get 11 mill when hes 34? But like I said, contract offers are beside the point due to Garrard's injury and taking a season off.

And stop saying that he will likely not be retained. You are making that up. Show me some evidence for that opinion now, don't wait and then bump the thread if he gets cut if he gets beat for the job.

Let me reiterate I brought up Orton and Cassel as a comparison to show relative talent level overall. Obviously a cross section look at it RIGHT NOW is silly, considering their difference in situation.

[dcm1602]

Originally Posted by BeastBeach

Matt Cassel and Orton weren't meant to be direct comparisons in terms of value. Obviously they are younger by 4-5 years and not coming off injury. I was speaking in terms of talent.

Remember what we are discussing here: Whether or not Garrard is a scrub or terrible QB. I think I have proven my point beyond a doubt.

But I will say this: Matt Cassel got that contract when he was at his absolute peak value. Do you think Cassel would yield 6 years 63 million right now? How about when he is 34? As for Kyle Orton, the Cowboys overpaid a little because Romo being injured has ruined a couple of their seasons. Will he get 11 mill when hes 34? But like I said, contract offers are beside the point due to Garrard's injury and taking a season off.

And stop saying that he will likely not be retained. You are making that up. Show me some evidence for that opinion now, don't wait and then bump the thread if he gets cut if he gets beat for the job.

Let me reiterate I brought up Orton and Cassel as a comparison to show relative talent level overall. Obviously a cross section look at it RIGHT NOW is silly, considering their difference in situation.

Im basing that opinion off the fact that they drafted Tannenhill so early, and they have Matt Moore.

Unless Garrard has a GREAT season, or Tannenhill looks like a complete reject. I dont think theres any chance whatsoever that they retain Garrard past this season.

Im not suggesting hes going to get cut before this season starts, but rather that theres no chance that hes a dolphin past this season

[BeastBeach]

Originally Posted by dcm1602

Im basing that opinion off the fact that they drafted Tannenhill so early, and they have Matt Moore.

Unless Garrard has a GREAT season, or Tannenhill looks like a complete reject. I dont think theres any chance whatsoever that they retain Garrard past this season.

Im not suggesting hes going to get cut before this season starts, but rather that theres no chance that hes a dolphin past this season

Oh alright I thought you meant that we would cut him before the season starts. My bad

[The 1985er]

It's too early to call but IMO the dolphins wasted their pick. Matt Moore proved himself worthy of being the starter but they fell for the media hype. Tannehill would have been better off getting drafted by a team like the broncos. So he could sit behind a hall of famer for 2/3 years and learn, before becoming a starter.

Oh and lol at Garrard being a "scrub".

[BeastBeach]

Originally Posted by The 1985er

It's too early to call but IMO the dolphins wasted their pick. Matt Moore proved himself worthy of being the starter but they fell for the media hype. Tannehill would have been better off getting drafted by a team like the broncos. So he could sit behind a hall of famer for 2/3 years and learn, before becoming a starter.

Oh and lol at Garrard being a "scrub".

Moore played well but I think we know that he wasn't capable of a deep playoff run. I didn't really want Tannehill either but if Philbin/Sherman really believe in him then they know better than I do. Hopefully they didn't draft him off of pressure from Ross, but I really don't think that's the case.

[Revis is your daddy]

Originally Posted by BeastBeach

Moore played well but I think we know that he wasn't capable of a deep playoff run. I didn't really want Tannehill either but if Philbin/Sherman really believe in him then they know better than I do. Hopefully they didn't draft him off of pressure from Ross, but I really don't think that's the case.

I think Tannehill actually has a lot of promise to be a solid QB he might just take a few years before he is ready to really start. He'd probably do better on the bench this year and see where to go from there.

[BeastBeach]

Originally Posted by Revis is your daddy

I think Tannehill actually has a lot of promise to be a solid QB he might just take a few years before he is ready to really start. He'd probably do better on the bench this year and see where to go from there.

Thats what I'm hoping for. I just hope the front office/coaching can weather the storm if the fans start to complain if we have a bad record. Most fans are pretty dumb, and from what I have seen, Dolphins fans are some of the worst.

[Revis is your daddy]

Originally Posted by BeastBeach

Thats what I'm hoping for. I just hope the front office/coaching can weather the storm if the fans start to complain if we have a bad record. Most fans are pretty dumb, and from what I have seen, Dolphins fans are some of the worst.

I don't know too much about the wr situation in the 2013 draft but I think it would be in the Phins best interest to bomb this year and get a high pick legit wr so you have the franchise WR and QB combo somewhat like Stafford and Calvin Johnson. Of course you probably won't find a Calvin Johnson but you know what I mean.

[BeastBeach]

Originally Posted by Revis is your daddy

I don't know too much about the wr situation in the 2013 draft but I think it would be in the Phins best interest to bomb this year and get a high pick legit wr so you have the franchise WR and QB combo somewhat like Stafford and Calvin Johnson. Of course you probably won't find a Calvin Johnson but you know what I mean.

Yeah but from what I understand of Philbin/Sherman's west coast O so far is that they don't put a high emphasis on the one "stud" WR. It is more like the Packers I guess in that they throw to whoever the scheme frees up. Jennings, Driver, Jordy, Jermichael all put up numbers...obviously that is also due to the QB. But I agree we definitely need more than Ocho and Hartline lined up outside.

[BeastBeach]

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[Jets n Boys]

Originally Posted by BeastBeach

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This sentence tells me everything I need to know:

“For a rookie quarterback,” Philbin confirmed, “I think he’s doing very well.”

Philbin isn't even sure if he's playing well even as a rookie QB.

[BeastBeach]

Originally Posted by Jets n Boys

This sentence tells me everything I need to know:

“For a rookie quarterback,” Philbin confirmed, “I think he’s doing very well.”

Philbin isn't even sure if he's playing well even as a rookie QB.

Not sure if serious