[abyzmul]

Originally Posted by jb1095

nyjunc,

I have to ask man, seriously and no disrespect intended.

Are you somehow related to, or friends with Mark Sanchez, or someone in his immediate family?

There are a few people on this board that do nothing but defend Sanchez in all aspects. Its like they get butt hurt whenever anyone mentions anything bad about Mighty Mark. It really is sickening.

We are talking about one of the greatest QBs to ever grace the NFL and he is being dismissed as nothing to keep Sanchez.

I know every team has some bad apple, or ignorant fans, but my god. Stop setting your standards so low.

You probably still Idolize Joe Namath, who has simply not that good of a QB. In fact, he was mediocre at best.

He only completed 50.1 percent of his passes for his entire career.
His career QB rating was a lousy 65.5
He threw 220 interceptions to his 173 touchdowns
He had a record of 62-63
He led the league in interceptions four times, and touchdowns just once, with 19.

In the moment Joe Namath is most known for, it was the New York Jets defense that won the game. Namath threw for 202 yards and had a 83.3 QB rating. That's it. He didn't throw a touchdown. Hell, he didn't even throw a damn pass in the whole 4th quarter. How the hell was he the super bowl MVP!??!?!?!?!??!?

Oh and for those that do not remember, the score was only 16-7 DESPITE the fact that the Jest Defense got 4 Interceptions.

So why do so many people still love Joe Namath?, HIS PERSONALITY. he is just like Rex.

Mark Sanchez sucks, plain and simple. He is the little engine that could, but never did. Much like Kerry Collins, a 5th to 6th overall draft pick that posts backup numbers. Sanchez will be a career backup QB, mark my words.

The Jets with a healthy Manning win at least 4-5 more games and finish at least at 12-4 with absolutely NO OTHER CHANGES.

Definitely barking up the wrong tree with the assumption about Namath. junc can make a better anti-Namath argument than you can.

[DirtySanchez]

Originally Posted by BamaZeus

Peyton could have been a Jet 15 years ago, but decided that wasn't good enough for him and went back to school. I still don't understand why he would change his mind about playing in NY now?

He didn't come out because Parcells wouldn't guarantee Peyton that he would draft him with the first overall pick. Peyton and Archie were sensitive about where Peyton would go (as we later saw play out with Eli). Archie gets along with Parcells, so the Mannings had no problem with Peyton going to the Jets, but they didn't want to see the pick traded to a 'loser' franchise like the Rams.

Parcells was also strangled by the Jets cap mismanagement in prior years, and might not have been able to even sign Manning along with the talent he felt he needed to rebuild.

The whole thing is funny in retrospect. While Manning was scared of going to a team like the Rams, the Rams went on to win a Superbowl a few years later with Kurt Warner.

If Parcells somehow decides to bet the farm on Manning by cutting half his team, then he gets a Manning/Chrebet/Keyshawn offense for years to come. They probably don't sign Curtis Martin. Once they're out of cap hell, the Jets would have probably been extremely competitive. Bill Belechick probably wouldn't have left. Etc, etc.

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[jb1095]

Originally Posted by laxinx57

Do you honestly get the significance of THREE FUCKING NECK SURGERIES for someone playing a contact sport???

We would be risking way to much, we could set our franchise back more than 5 years. The only way this works in our favor is if by some miracle, Manning can play more than 2 years. The likelihood of that is pretty slim because one hit to the head and he could lose all power to lift his arm past his shoulder.

NYJunc isnt defending Sanchez as much as he is defending the fact that it takes more than a QB to win in this league. I guarantee he’ll admit Sanchez had a bad year. But so did this entire organization from top to bottom.

I think he is completely underestimating the impact a healthy Peyton Manning would have on the current Jets team. That's all. I am pretty sure he is one of the regular posters here that always talk about Mark Sanchez progression and how he is just a kid that is learning.

FOLLOW ME FOR 1 MINUTE HERE:

The Jets sign a healthy Peyton Manning who btw is 4 years younger then Favre was when he signed here.

Sanchez gets traded to some desperate team for a late first round pick and possibly a 3rd(thus eliminating the Salary cap issues)

A new RT or two are drafted with those picks as well as whatever the hell else you want with your remaining picks.

Mannings ability to throw long accurate lasers allow you to actually open up your running game as well as have something you haven't had in years...A BALANCED offense.

Pocket presence and situational awareness are HUGE in this game and even a 50% manning is far superior at both then a 100% Sanchez. And as a bonus, you get a QB that can read, understand, design, and implement the current playbook while adding to it.

The O line looks much worse than it actually is because Sanchez just takes way to long to throw, he very rarely throws it away, and he constantly forces the ball where he shouldn't resulting in stupid interceptions.

he is a one read QB that will NEVER be great. He just doesn't have the IT factor.

His Defense has carried him for 3 years now yet they get slammed when they give up a big play in a very close game. As an offense, you are SUPPOSED to put up points to A force your opponent into a specific play style and B give your damn defense workhorses a breather.

Even the 85 Bears gave up some huge plays once in a while.

Also, I like nyjunc, It just appears to me as he is one of the Sanchez supporters that see nothing wrong with Sanchez at all where I see the majority of the issues being Sanchez. The man is stupid and can not learn to play this position with the efficiency some of us expect him too.

[DirtySanchez]

Originally Posted by jb1095

The Jets sign a healthy Peyton Manning .

There is no healthy Peyton Manning. This is what he had done.

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[nyjunc]

Originally Posted by jb1095

nyjunc,

I have to ask man, seriously and no disrespect intended.

Are you somehow related to, or friends with Mark Sanchez, or someone in his immediate family?

There are a few people on this board that do nothing but defend Sanchez in all aspects. Its like they get butt hurt whenever anyone mentions anything bad about Mighty Mark. It really is sickening.

We are talking about one of the greatest QBs to ever grace the NFL and he is being dismissed as nothing to keep Sanchez.

I know every team has some bad apple, or ignorant fans, but my god. Stop setting your standards so low.

You probably still Idolize Joe Namath, who has simply not that good of a QB. In fact, he was mediocre at best.

He only completed 50.1 percent of his passes for his entire career.
His career QB rating was a lousy 65.5
He threw 220 interceptions to his 173 touchdowns
He had a record of 62-63
He led the league in interceptions four times, and touchdowns just once, with 19.

In the moment Joe Namath is most known for, it was the New York Jets defense that won the game. Namath threw for 202 yards and had a 83.3 QB rating. That's it. He didn't throw a touchdown. Hell, he didn't even throw a damn pass in the whole 4th quarter. How the hell was he the super bowl MVP!??!?!?!?!??!?

Oh and for those that do not remember, the score was only 16-7 DESPITE the fact that the Jest Defense got 4 Interceptions.

So why do so many people still love Joe Namath?, HIS PERSONALITY. he is just like Rex.

Mark Sanchez sucks, plain and simple. He is the little engine that could, but never did. Much like Kerry Collins, a 5th to 6th overall draft pick that posts backup numbers. Sanchez will be a career backup QB, mark my words.

The Jets with a healthy Manning win at least 4-5 more games and finish at least at 12-4 with absolutely NO OTHER CHANGES.

No relation, not friends I'm just a knowledegable football fan that doesn't sway in the wind. I saw a young QB help us get to 2 title games, as great as Peyton WAS it took him 6 years to win a playoff game and he had better talent around him. Would I take my chances w/ Peyton from 3-4 years ago? abolsutely, as much as I knock him I'd take my chances w/ him and this D BUT he is old for a QB and we don't know if he will ever be healthy again. Add in he never gave Indy a discount so why would he give u sone ao we'd have t pay through the roof for him PLUS take a huge cap hit w/ Sanchez. It doesn't make any sense.

Stick around here and you'll see how I view Namath, you don't have to sell me on him being overrated.


I do like Sanchez, I see a young guy who we can watch for the next 10 years. That is something we have never had in all my years watching the team. The closest we came was w/ O'Brien and Chad but both had career altering injuries. We have a touhg, young, winning QB who will get better as we build around him. I'm not throwing that away.

Originally Posted by abyzmul

Definitely barking up the wrong tree with the assumption about Namath. junc can make a better anti-Namath argument than you can.

[soxxx]

Originally Posted by DirtySanchez

He didn't come out because Parcells wouldn't guarantee Peyton that he would draft him with the first overall pick. Peyton and Archie were sensitive about where Peyton would go (as we later saw play out with Eli). Archie gets along with Parcells, so the Mannings had no problem with Peyton going to the Jets, but they didn't want to see the pick traded to a 'loser' franchise like the Rams.

Parcells was also strangled by the Jets cap mismanagement in prior years, and might not have been able to even sign Manning along with the talent he felt he needed to rebuild.

The whole thing is funny in retrospect. While Manning was scared of going to a team like the Rams, the Rams went on to win a Superbowl a few years later with Kurt Warner.

If Parcells somehow decides to bet the farm on Manning by cutting half his team, then he gets a Manning/Chrebet/Keyshawn offense for years to come. They probably don't sign Curtis Martin. Once they're out of cap hell, the Jets would have probably been extremely competitive. Bill Belechick probably wouldn't have left. Etc, etc.

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Looking back I wonder how many championships we could have won with Manning and Belichick at the helm.

[milcus]

Originally Posted by laxinx57

Do you honestly get the significance of THREE FUCKING NECK SURGERIES for someone playing a contact sport???

We would be risking way to much, we could set our franchise back more than 5 years. The only way this works in our favor is if by some miracle, Manning can play more than 2 years. The likelihood of that is pretty slim because one hit to the head and he could lose all power to lift his arm past his shoulder.

NYJunc isnt defending Sanchez as much as he is defending the fact that it takes more than a QB to win in this league. I guarantee he’ll admit Sanchez had a bad year. But so did this entire organization from top to bottom.

Are you a doctor? Did you go to medical school?

Because if you are not, stop pretending like you have any clue what happens to someone who has had 3 neck surgeries. Because that shit gets old rather quickly.

If you are a doctor, you should still not talk about a patient that is not yours because you neither performed the surgeries, have seen the records, or anything else.

Iy you are Peyton Manning's doctor, can you please tell him to come here.

With that aside, bringing Manning here does not set the franchise back 5 years. That is lunacy. At most it sets us back a year, and that is considering the fact that the Jets are not drafting a qb in the 1st round this year. You better blieve Manning's contract will have a million outs and if he gets injured again, he will not be here for more than a year. But guess what, if Sanchez is so bad that they go out and get Manning (which is the implication you would have to draw), Sanchez was getting the boot next year anyway (because lets get serious, Sanchez is not turning into a top 10-15 qb by next year).

So, this 5 year talk is almost as proposterous as talking about medical conditions that you probably know little about.

[nyjunc]

Originally Posted by soxxx

Looking back I wonder how many championships we could have won with Manning and Belichick at the helm.

Brdy gets most of the credit in NE and Peyton had ultra talenetd teams in Indy and only won one. I think our best shot woul dhave been '98 w/ Parcells and Peyton as a 2nd year QB(since he would have come out in '97) and maybe BP doesn't step down knowing he has a young, great QB?

[milcus]

Originally Posted by soxxx

Looking back I wonder how many championships we could have won with Manning and Belichick at the helm.

That is actually a scary though. We might have 4/5.

And dont forget that if Belichick was here, Brady is probably bagging grocercies somewhere right now.

Fucking Peyton Manning screwed up the universe, and now he has to make it right by coming here and helping the fat man win a few rings..

[nyjunc]

Originally Posted by milcus

That is actually a scary though. We might have 4/5.

And dont forget that if Belichick was here, Brady is probably bagging grocercies somewhere right now.

Fucking Peyton Manning screwed up the universe, and now he has to make it right by coming here and helping the fat man win a few rings..

Brady made BB not the other way around, just check BB's record w/ and w/o Brady.

4/5 and Brady bagging groeceries

[abyzmul]

A) It wasn't the QB situation that made Belichick bolt to the Pats.

B) Parcells would have traded Manning to New Orleans if he had declared for the draft.

[milcus]

Originally Posted by nyjunc

Brady made BB not the other way around, just check BB's record w/ and w/o Brady.

4/5 and Brady bagging groeceries

Not initially amigo. Initially it was the defense that won championships and carried Brady. After awhile the roles were reserved and Brady started to carry the defense.

If not for the defense, Brady and Belichick probably never get any rings and are no longer in the NFL.

[nyjunc]

Originally Posted by milcus

Not initially amigo. Initially it was the defense that won championships and carried Brady. After awhile the roles were reserved and Brady started to carry the defense.

If not for the defense, Brady and Belichick probably never get any rings and are no longer in the NFL.

Really? then why were they 5-11 in 2000 then started out 0-2 w/o him in 2001? Sure the D helped especially in '01 but they don't make the playoffs w/o BRady and Brady rescued that D after the D blew a 14 pt lead in the 4th qtr of the SB.

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[jb1095]

Originally Posted by milcus

Not initially amigo. Initially it was the defense that won championships and carried Brady. After awhile the roles were reserved and Brady started to carry the defense.

If not for the defense, Brady and Belichick probably never get any rings and are no longer in the NFL.

Two words:

Tuck Rule

Oakland felt it and will never forget it.

[DirtySanchez]

Originally Posted by milcus

Fucking Peyton Manning screwed up the universe, and now he has to make it right by coming here and helping the fat man win a few rings..

I blame Parcells more than Manning. Manning was the best QB in the past 20 years, and Parcells didn't see that Manning would have been worth the extra season or two of losing...or even worse, Parcells wouldn't make a short term sacrifice for the good of the franchise.

[JimmyLovesick]

This will never happen...IMO. If Peyton can play the Colts will play him. What did Andrew Luck ever win?

[DirtySanchez]

Originally Posted by abyzmul

A) It wasn't the QB situation that made Belichick bolt to the Pats.

No, but you have to figure by Peyton Manning year three Belichick would have come to the conclusion that his best chance to be successful would be to stay here.

Hell, maybe Leon Hess would have lived an extra year or two.

[dcm1602]

Originally Posted by JimmyLovesick

This will never happen...IMO. If Peyton can play the Colts will play him. What did Andrew Luck ever win?

Play him sure, but who will pay him ?

According to ESPN NFL Business Analyst Andrew Brandt, it will cost the Colts $50.5 million to keep Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck on the roster in 2012.
Manning's option is $28 million in addition to a $7.4 million salary while the No. 1 overall pick will receive approximately $15.1 million in bonus plus salary in 2012. If the Colts are dead-set on selecting a QB with the first pick, as owner Jim Irsay suggested, the only move that makes sense is declining Manning's option. Cleaning house from top to bottom, Manning's contract would be a salary-cap millstone around the franchise's neck while trying to improve the talent around Luck or Robert Griffin III.

[milcus]

Originally Posted by JimmyLovesick

This will never happen...IMO. If Peyton can play the Colts will play him. What did Andrew Luck ever win?

He played at Stanford with limited talent around him and orchestrated top 10 team's. Sure, he might not have won the championship, but he didn't have like 20 new 5 star recruits every season to work with like they do at Alabama.

If you dont see that Luck is a special prospect and should start in the NFL from day 1, I just dont know how to explain it to you.

[soxxx]

Brady cost Peyton rings, had Peyton come to NY, chances are no one even hears the name Brady. Peyton could have dominated the AFC by himself.