[quadcityjetsfan76]

Originally Posted by tubby

he has more wins and races in a more competitive age. notice how Earnhardt didn't win 1 championship since Gordon came onto the scene? the year kurt busch won the championship, gordon would have won under the original rules and i think it was '06 when he had a 400 point lead going into the chase but when the chase started he was down 20, fucking bull shit if you ask me. Gordon ended up with 31 top 10 finishes that year and didn't win. the chase is a crock. Gordon would have ended up ahead of DE had the joke that is the chase never been implemented.

I agree the chase has definitely changed the way things shape up. However, this change was made for entertainment purposes. It's not to appealing to the fan to see the same guy have nothing to race for over the last 6-8 races. They had to put a challenge in it. It is already getting to be that way with Jimmy johnson. Nascar needs a solution. I believe a way to solve it, without getting rid of the chase (which I think is good for the sport), is to alter the schedule more. These drivers have been doing this lonf=g enough to know track conditions at each track in each race. they need to flip flop the races, or add more north races in the summer to alter the fall season a little more. The season is so long, it makes it tough, but why not mix it up with a road race in Mexico City during the chase? Anything to not gift wrap it for Johnson.

[SyracuseJet]

Originally Posted by tubby

he has more wins and races in a more competitive age. notice how Earnhardt didn't win 1 championship since Gordon came onto the scene? the year kurt busch won the championship, gordon would have won under the original rules and i think it was '06 when he had a 400 point lead going into the chase but when the chase started he was down 20, fucking bull shit if you ask me. Gordon ended up with 31 top 10 finishes that year and didn't win. the chase is a crock. Gordon would have ended up ahead of DE had the joke that is the chase never been implemented.

And Jeff Gordon hasn't won one since Ryan Newman came on the scene....so Newman is better then Gordon? Your logic not mine. And for the record, Gordon was a rookie in '93. Earnhardt won the title in '93 and '94.

Quit being a Gordon homer. Nobody in there right mind would place Jeff Gordon over Dale Earnhardt.

[NYJATW]

fucking johnson. lucky jesus christ bastard

[SyracuseJet]

Originally Posted by NYJATW

fucking johnson. lucky jesus christ bastard

I'm starting to doubt his actual talent. I think he's the biggest example in Nascar history of what having a good crew chief can do for you.

[NYJATW]

Originally Posted by SyracuseJet

I'm starting to doubt his actual talent. I think he's the biggest example in Nascar history of what having a good crew chief can do for you.

Now I understand why everybody hated Gordon so much. It should be much more intenses for JJ though. I mean christ we haven't seen a different champion since 2005. It's like everything goes his way. I will be truely shocked if he doesn't win the championship again.

Behind the scenes, NASCAR has got to be pulling for a tight chase this year with a new champion.

[SyracuseJet]

Originally Posted by NYJATW

Now I understand why everybody hated Gordon so much. It should be much more intenses for JJ though. I mean christ we haven't seen a different champion since 2005. It's like everything goes his way. I will be truely shocked if he doesn't win the championship again.

Behind the scenes, NASCAR has got to be pulling for a tight chase this year with a new champion.

Evernham was a phenominal crew chief...one of the best ever, but Gordon was/is a wheel man. He'd throw that car in places not many others could. You don't see Johnson doing that. For those JJ fans out there, I'm not saying he sucks. He is the best ever in not fucking up. He is as consistant as it gets. But, what seperated the great drivers from the elite, and still does, is the drivers ability to make something happen to change his fortune for the better on the track. JJ doesn't do that. Chad Knaus does. That's why I don't think JJ is the "elite" driver that his record suggests he is. Def great, just not elite.

[GreenMachine]

Vegas lineup:

Order  	Driver (No.)  	Car  	Qualifying Speed
1 	Kurt Busch (2) 	Dodge 	188.719
2 	Jeff Gordon (24) 	Chevrolet 	188.646
3 	Ryan Newman (39) 	Chevrolet 	188.180
4 	Dale Earnhardt Jr. (88) 	Chevrolet 	188.173
5 	Kyle Busch (18) 	Toyota 	188.153
6 	Joey Logano (20) 	Toyota 	187.611
7 	Greg Biffle (16) 	Ford 	187.598
8 	Mark Martin (5) 	Chevrolet 	187.500
9 	Tony Stewart (14) 	Chevrolet 	186.942
10 	Juan Pablo Montoya (42) 	Chevrolet 	186.793
11 	Matt Kenseth (17) 	Ford 	186.748
12 	Carl Edwards (99) 	Ford 	186.554
13 	Clint Bowyer (33) 	Chevrolet 	186.548
14 	Sam Hornish Jr. (77) 	Dodge 	186.445
15 	Joe Nemechek (87) 	Toyota 	186.355
16 	Brad Keselowski (12) 	Dodge 	186.245
17 	David Reutimann (00) 	Toyota 	186.233
18 	David Ragan (6) 	Ford 	186.188
19 	Kasey Kahne (9) 	Ford 	185.995
20 	Jimmie Johnson (48) 	Chevrolet 	185.963
21 	Max Papis (13) 	Toyota 	185.497
22 	Jeff Burton (31) 	Chevrolet 	185.395
23 	Scott Speed (82) 	Toyota 	185.236
24 	Jamie McMurray (1) 	Chevrolet 	185.109
25 	Travis Kvapil (34) 	Ford 	185.058
26 	Paul Menard (98) 	Ford 	184.773
27 	Denny Hamlin (11) 	Toyota 	184.615
28 	Regan Smith (78) 	Chevrolet 	184.590
29 	Bobby Labonte (71) 	Chevrolet 	184.552
30 	Mike Bliss (36) 	Chevrolet 	184.540
31 	Brian Vickers (83) 	Toyota 	184.458
32 	Marcos Ambrose (47) 	Toyota 	184.445
33 	Michael McDowell (55) 	Toyota 	184.439
34 	Kevin Harvick (29) 	Chevrolet 	184.080
35 	Martin Truex Jr. (56) 	Toyota 	183.961
36 	Dave Blaney (66) 	Toyota 	183.955
37 	Elliott Sadler (19) 	Ford 	183.468
38 	David Gilliland (38) 	Ford 	181.965
39 	Kevin Conway (37) 	Ford 	181.843
40 	AJ Allmendinger (43) 	Ford 	181.038
41 	Boris Said (26) 	Ford 	176.586
42 	Robby Gordon (7) 	Toyota 	-
43 	Aric Almirola (09) 	Chevrolet 	183.038
44 	Casey Mears (190) 	DNQ 	182.248
45 	Terry Cook (46) 	DNQ 	180.705

[GreenMachine]

I guess winning from 20th is lucky, too...

[Jetfanmack]

NASCAR sucks.

Continue.

[matt robinson 17]

Gets boring watching Jimmy Johnson win every week...on the other hand I like Happy and he's been right on his bumper...

[matt robinson 17]

Carl Edwards losing his mind, when he sent Keselowski ass over tea kettle...I guess he didn't think he could have flipped him over the fence and killed 100 innocent people in the crowd....

[GreenMachine]

Originally Posted by matt robinson 17

Carl Edwards losing his mind, when he sent Keselowski ass over tea kettle...I guess he didn't think he could have flipped him over the fence and killed 100 innocent people in the crowd....

Edwards and Kyle Busch are both egotistical douchebags.

[matt robinson 17]

Originally Posted by GreenMachine

Edwards and Kyle Busch are both egotistical douchebags.

3 weeks probation what a joke...

[DHarris52]

IMO, there is no greater example of an athlete making a 180 degree turn around in terms of maturity than Kurt Busch. He used to be that young punk that everyone hated. Now, he is a total class act.

His jerkoff brother should take a page from his book.

[matt robinson 17]

Originally Posted by DHarris52

IMO, there is no greater example of an athlete making a 180 degree turn around in terms of maturity than Kurt Busch. He used to be that young punk that everyone hated. Now, he is a total class act.

His jerkoff brother should take a page from his book.

Carl Edwards is the one that surprises me...

[Big Blocker]

I am not sure Edwards surprises me, but he usually does not seem like a hot head.

[matt robinson 17]

Originally Posted by Big Blocker

I am not sure Edwards surprises me, but he usually does not seem like a hot head.

That's what I mean...

[Big Blocker]

Hey with BMS coming up this weekend, I thought I'd ask if I'm the only one who finds the racing there more than a tad overrated. It's not conducive to passing, the wrecks take out too many good cars and drivers who did nothing wrong but get caught up in it, much more so than at other tracks including Mville, and the racing when they are not wrecking is pretty boring, unless and until someone is catching the leader toward the end.

Compared to Richmond, which has two real grooves, BMS is imo pretty mediocre.

[matt robinson 17]

Originally Posted by Big Blocker

Hey with BMS coming up this weekend, I thought I'd ask if I'm the only one who finds the racing there more than a tad overrated. It's not conducive to passing, the wrecks take out too many good cars and drivers who did nothing wrong but get caught up in it, much more so than at other tracks including Mville, and the racing when they are not wrecking is pretty boring, unless and until someone is catching the leader toward the end.

Compared to Richmond, which has two real grooves, BMS is imo pretty mediocre.

I agree, if you qualify all the way in the back or have to use a backup car and start at the back, your chances of passing 42 cars is extermely slim...I end watching and hoping Gordon gets caught in a big one...

[Big Blocker]

Originally Posted by matt robinson 17

I agree, if you qualify all the way in the back or have to use a backup car and start at the back, your chances of passing 42 cars is extermely slim...I end watching and hoping Gordon gets caught in a big one...

I will say though that race Terry Labonte won back in the 90's beating out DE was one of the best ever.