Marcus McNeil vs. Nick Mangold

Rambo13 · 03-22-2006, 12:41 PM

Who would you rather pick if both fell to pick #35?

I think it depends a lot on Runyan. I am leaning towards McNeil right now, but if he signs, I'd probably take Mangold.
I am working on a Mock Draft and I project both to be available at #35.

Also, does anyone know of any other teams in the market for a center?

Martin&theJETS · 03-22-2006, 12:44 PM

Mangold will be their at 35 but McNeil wont. the bucs will take him in the first round. Even if he did i would take mangold because it is looking like we will sign Runyan.

FITM · 03-22-2006, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin&theJETS

Mangold will be their at 35 but McNeil wont. the bucs will take him in the first round. Even if he did i would take mangold because it is looking like we will sign Runyan.

Doubt it.

Mangold will be taken by the Steelers.

As for who I'd want, it would depend on who we take in Round 1, and if we sign Runyan or Ashworth.

kinghenry89 · 03-22-2006, 12:51 PM

I'd prefer McNeil to Mangold. I've watched a lot of Auburn football and I honestly believe that McNeil is the best run blocker in the draft.

Rambo13 · 03-22-2006, 01:01 PM

Assume we don't take D'Brickashaw Ferguson in the first round.
(I am projecting Vernon Davis {insert wishful thinking} and Manny Lawson)

So this would be the first OL taken by the Jets.

Martin&TheJets I disagree, I think the Bucs go LB like Ernie Sims or DeMeco Ryans. I got that impression from Mexican Buc.
I think McNeil will fall now because I thought the Falcons would take Winston Justice because they lost Schaeffer.

AMJets · 03-22-2006, 02:19 PM

Two of my favorites in this entire draft. If both were available at #35 (they may not even be available at #29), I really don't know which way I'd go. Probably Mangold.

vilmatic · 03-22-2006, 02:49 PM

McNeil's stenosis is a concern for me, I would rather take Mangold. Besides, he's a smarter player and not as much of an underachiever.

xjets2002x · 03-22-2006, 02:52 PM

I don't like McNeill. I have issues with oversized lineman. More and more, I think we need to focus on athletic tackles and guards who can pull. Mangold has a nasty demeanor and he has great athleticism. I take him in a heartbeat over McNeill.

-X-

DonnieIsTheKing · 03-22-2006, 03:26 PM

Yea it's unlikely in reality for either to fall... McNeill won't get past the Texans at 33 and Mangold will be scooped up by Pitt at 32 or NO at 34.

But in the unlikely situation that they both fall I would want Mangold. There are more veteran OTs that are signable then Cs... as you usually rarely see centers moving in the trade market (although we had Bentley and Mawae this year). Mangold is a talented kid that will be able to start from day 1 and the best part is we won't have to start Goodwin next season.

Rambo13 · 03-22-2006, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by vilmatic

McNeil's stenosis is a concern for me, I would rather take Mangold. Besides, he's a smarter player and not as much of an underachiever.

What's stenosis?

Seems like the general consensus is for Mangold.

CMartinJET · 03-22-2006, 10:15 PM

Stenosis is a problem with his back I think. He's had chronic back problems and plays to upright, well of course he is 6'9. I would go mangold and I agree with what FITM said Mangold won't be there in the second the steelers won't let him leave if you want him you have to take him at 29. Assuming the Jaguars don't take him first.

As for your question about Centers Jaguars, Steelers, Texans and Saints could all be looking for a young center.

AMJets · 03-22-2006, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CMartinJET

As for your question about Centers Jaguars, Steelers, Texans and Saints could all be looking for a young center.

I'm not sure if the Jaguars will be looking for one, Meester isn't that old (29 I think.)

Rambo13 · 03-23-2006, 08:46 AM

I heard from a Jags fan they may go for some Outside Defensive help either at OLB or DE. I, and many others, have been penciling in a RB there if available. So if there are no good Running Backs, Linebackers or Ends available at #28, then yeah they might go center

1028 · 03-26-2006, 01:30 PM

Mangold by far, I think McNeill is overrated. And anyways Id rather have either O'Callaghan or Whitworth in the 3rd

CMartinJET · 03-26-2006, 01:38 PM

O'Callaghan can't stay healthy. He's great when he plays as an excelent pass blocker and run blocker. But what good is a guy if he can't stay on the field.

James Hasty · 03-26-2006, 03:21 PM

I like Eric Winston and Max-Gene Gilles a lot more than McNeil and Mangold.

Rambo13 · 03-26-2006, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by James Hasty

I like Eric Winston and Max-Gene Gilles a lot more than McNeil and Mangold.

I agree with Winston, if he doesn't go first round he is def. going to be a Texan though. And I don't want to pick OT at #29.

But I still see no purpose in drafting a Guard when we need a Center and a Tackle.

hazmat · 03-26-2006, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rambo13

I agree with Winston, if he doesn't go first round he is def. going to be a Texan though. And I don't want to pick OT at #29.

But I still see no purpose in drafting a Guard when we need a Center and a Tackle.

Why wouldn't you draft an OT with the #29?

Rambo13 · 03-26-2006, 08:42 PM

Well, good question Dreessen.

If we get D'Brickashaw at #4 I think that it is obvious. But if we don't than it requires a little more explaining.
I think there are a ton of good prospects available at #29 that are not going to be available at #35 and I think that the drop off between OT from #29 to #35 is much smaller than the drop off from the other players. For instance, is McNeil or Winston that much better than O'Callaghan or Scott or Whitworth? I don't think they are. I would love Winston, but there are a few other players that I think will be much better for our team.

Some of the players I think might be there at #29 for us include:
Nick Mangold
Manny Lawson
Laurence Maroney
Antonio Cromartie
Gabe Watson

Also, I'm favoring the following scenario as of now:
I think it is currently 50-50 between Mario and D'Brick (Assuming we don't trade up). We will have whoever the Saints don't pick.
Thus, I think with our second pick, we should take whichever position we didn't take with the first pick. Now I don't mean DE and OT specifically, I mean more like Pass Rusher and OLine.
Therefore, if we take Mario Williams I think we should take Nick Mangold, but if we take D'Brickashaw Ferguson, I think we should take Manny Lawson.

Than in the second round we can fill in with anything we didn't cover (like take an OT under the first scenario)

James Hasty · 03-26-2006, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rambo13

Well, good question Dreessen.

Some of the players I think might be there at #29 for us include:
Nick Mangold
Manny Lawson
Laurence Maroney
Antonio Cromartie
Gabe Watson

I like Cromartie a lot but Winston is a better value than any of those five players.

03-22-2006, 12:41 PM	#1
Rambo13 Totally Addicted Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,305 vCash: 25	Marcus McNeil vs. Nick Mangold Who would you rather pick if both fell to pick #35? I think it depends a lot on Runyan. I am leaning towards McNeil right now, but if he signs, I'd probably take Mangold. I am working on a Mock Draft and I project both to be available at #35. Also, does anyone know of any other teams in the market for a center? __________________

03-22-2006, 01:01 PM	#5
Rambo13 Totally Addicted Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,305 vCash: 25	Assume we don't take D'Brickashaw Ferguson in the first round. (I am projecting Vernon Davis {insert wishful thinking} and Manny Lawson) So this would be the first OL taken by the Jets. Martin&TheJets I disagree, I think the Bucs go LB like Ernie Sims or DeMeco Ryans. I got that impression from Mexican Buc. I think McNeil will fall now because I thought the Falcons would take Winston Justice because they lost Schaeffer. __________________

03-22-2006, 02:49 PM	#7
vilmatic Totally Addicted Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 4,625 vCash: 1500	McNeil's stenosis is a concern for me, I would rather take Mangold. Besides, he's a smarter player and not as much of an underachiever. __________________ I may have benefited from the wonders of pharmacology - Pete Kendall

03-22-2006, 02:52 PM	#8
xjets2002x Totally Addicted Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Glen Cove, NY Posts: 5,809 vCash: 2000	I don't like McNeill. I have issues with oversized lineman. More and more, I think we need to focus on athletic tackles and guards who can pull. Mangold has a nasty demeanor and he has great athleticism. I take him in a heartbeat over McNeill. -X- __________________ www.survivingtheciti.com www.twitter.com/robertjamis

03-23-2006, 08:46 AM	#13
Rambo13 Totally Addicted Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,305 vCash: 25	I heard from a Jags fan they may go for some Outside Defensive help either at OLB or DE. I, and many others, have been penciling in a RB there if available. So if there are no good Running Backs, Linebackers or Ends available at #28, then yeah they might go center __________________

03-22-2006, 12:51 PM	#4
kinghenry89 Totally Addicted Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,052 vCash: 2000	I'd prefer McNeil to Mangold. I've watched a lot of Auburn football and I honestly believe that McNeil is the best run blocker in the draft. __________________

03-22-2006, 02:19 PM	#6
AMJets Totally Addicted Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 21,871 vCash: 375	Two of my favorites in this entire draft. If both were available at #35 (they may not even be available at #29), I really don't know which way I'd go. Probably Mangold.

03-22-2006, 03:26 PM	#9
DonnieIsTheKing Totally Addicted Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: State College, PA Posts: 3,684 vCash: 600	Yea it's unlikely in reality for either to fall... McNeill won't get past the Texans at 33 and Mangold will be scooped up by Pitt at 32 or NO at 34. But in the unlikely situation that they both fall I would want Mangold. There are more veteran OTs that are signable then Cs... as you usually rarely see centers moving in the trade market (although we had Bentley and Mawae this year). Mangold is a talented kid that will be able to start from day 1 and the best part is we won't have to start Goodwin next season.

03-22-2006, 10:15 PM	#11
CMartinJET TheGangGreen.com Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 933 vCash: 2000	Stenosis is a problem with his back I think. He's had chronic back problems and plays to upright, well of course he is 6'9. I would go mangold and I agree with what FITM said Mangold won't be there in the second the steelers won't let him leave if you want him you have to take him at 29. Assuming the Jaguars don't take him first. As for your question about Centers Jaguars, Steelers, Texans and Saints could all be looking for a young center.

03-26-2006, 01:38 PM	#15
CMartinJET TheGangGreen.com Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 933 vCash: 2000	O'Callaghan can't stay healthy. He's great when he plays as an excelent pass blocker and run blocker. But what good is a guy if he can't stay on the field.

03-26-2006, 03:21 PM	#16
James Hasty Totally Addicted Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,536 vCash: 25	I like Eric Winston and Max-Gene Gilles a lot more than McNeil and Mangold.

03-26-2006, 08:42 PM	#19
Rambo13 Totally Addicted Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,305 vCash: 25	Well, good question Dreessen. If we get D'Brickashaw at #4 I think that it is obvious. But if we don't than it requires a little more explaining. I think there are a ton of good prospects available at #29 that are not going to be available at #35 and I think that the drop off between OT from #29 to #35 is much smaller than the drop off from the other players. For instance, is McNeil or Winston that much better than O'Callaghan or Scott or Whitworth? I don't think they are. I would love Winston, but there are a few other players that I think will be much better for our team. Some of the players I think might be there at #29 for us include: Nick Mangold Manny Lawson Laurence Maroney Antonio Cromartie Gabe Watson Also, I'm favoring the following scenario as of now: I think it is currently 50-50 between Mario and D'Brick (Assuming we don't trade up). We will have whoever the Saints don't pick. Thus, I think with our second pick, we should take whichever position we didn't take with the first pick. Now I don't mean DE and OT specifically, I mean more like Pass Rusher and OLine. Therefore, if we take Mario Williams I think we should take Nick Mangold, but if we take D'Brickashaw Ferguson, I think we should take Manny Lawson. Than in the second round we can fill in with anything we didn't cover (like take an OT under the first scenario) __________________

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