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Obama might send troops into Pakistan By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 1 minute ago



Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Wednesday that he would possibly send troops into Pakistan to hunt down terrorists, an attempt to show strength when his chief rival has described his foreign policy skills as naive.

The Illinois senator warned Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf that he must do more to shut down terrorist operations in his country and evict foreign fighters under an Obama presidency, or Pakistan will risk a U.S. troop invasion and losing hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. military aid.

"Let me make this clear," Obama said in a speech prepared for delivery at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. "There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al-Qaida leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."

The excerpts were provided by the Obama campaign in advance of the speech.

Obama's speech comes the week after his rivalry with New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton erupted into a public fight over their diplomatic intentions.

Obama said he would be willing to meet leaders of rogue states like Cuba, North Korea and Iran without conditions, an idea that Clinton criticized as irresponsible and naive. Obama responded by using the same words to describe Clinton's vote to authorize the Iraq war and called her "Bush-Cheney lite."

The speech was a condemnation of President Bush's leadership in the war on terror. He said the focus on Iraq has left Americans in more danger than before Sept. 11, 2001, and that Bush has misrepresented the enemy as Iraqis who are fighting a civil war instead of the terrorists responsible for the attacks six years ago.

"He confuses our mission," Obama said, then he spread responsibility to lawmakers like Clinton who voted for the invasion. "By refusing to end the war in Iraq, President Bush is giving the terrorists what they really want, and what the Congress voted to give them in 2002: a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences."

Obama said that as commander in chief he would remove troops from Iraq and putting them "on the right battlefield in Afghanistan and Pakistan." He said he would send at least two more brigades to Afghanistan and increase nonmilitary aid to the country by $1 billion.

He also said he would create a three-year, $5 billion program to share intelligence with allies worldwide to take out terrorist networks from Indonesia to Africa

[Hobbes3259]

So, an occupation in Iraq, a Non Nuclear state, witha relatively Secular population, liberated from an oppressive tyrant, is not ok.

But invading a Nuclear power with an already shaky regime, and a bigger Islamic Fundamentlist (read:Fascist) base is the way to go?

[plinko]

he certainly isn't helping himself with his views on foreign policy.

[ollie]

Pakistan & Musharuf (sp?) are one of the few middle east counties who are sort of helping us... there's been numerous attempts on Musharufs live due to him helping us out... that being said... there's still tons of problems in Pakistan mainly OBL is hiding there... attacking them completely unprovoked can't happen... and I don't think Obama has any intention of going in there... this is just politics at it's worst...

[Br4dw4y5ux]

Originally Posted by Hobbes3259

So, an occupation in Iraq, a Non Nuclear state, witha relatively Secular population, liberated from an oppressive tyrant, is not ok.

But invading a Nuclear power with an already shaky regime, and a bigger Islamic Fundamentlist (read:Fascist) base is the way to go?

You would sit back while our erstwhile ally harbors the very people who set all this in motion and who remain our greatest single threat?

That's the kind of thinking that's gotten us bogged down in creating a terrorist haven in Iraq while Al-Qaida continues to strike at will in Europe and bides their time until they can assemble a real WMD to use against us.

Mark my words: the first major WMD terrorist attack will be against the United States. And it will be because the Bush administration gave Al-Qaida a half a generation to recover from their initial stumbles.

We WILL be in the autonomous territories in Pakistan in force before this is all over. The question is whether it will be to pre-emptively take out the Al-Qaida leadership OR in response to a million casualties in some US city.

[PMCRW]

Originally Posted by ollie

Pakistan & Musharuf (sp?) are one of the few middle east counties who are sort of helping us... there's been numerous attempts on Musharufs live due to him helping us out... that being said... there's still tons of problems in Pakistan mainly OBL is hiding there... attacking them completely unprovoked can't happen... and I don't think Obama has any intention of going in there... this is just politics at it's worst...

DUDE Pakistan aint doing shit. They just reopened the Red Mosque and guess what TALIBAN ALREADY TOOK IT OVER AGAIN. So all that shit they talked last week about furthering the fight against terrorism was bullshit. PAKISTAN is the Holiday Inn for terrorists. Obama is a fucking moron for thinking the American people even want to be at war. HOW ABOUT WE DOn'T INVADE ANOTHER COUNTRY. Why cant we just bring our troops home and man the fucking fort instead of banging on everyones door in a futial witchhunt? this country doesnt need to be at war for another fucking decade. Obama is a idiot for opening his mouth and i want to say he just handed it to Hillary...

[PMCRW]

Originally Posted by Br4dw4y5ux

You would sit back while our erstwhile ally harbors the very people who set all this in motion and who remain our greatest single threat?

That's the kind of thinking that's gotten us bogged down in creating a terrorist haven in Iraq while Al-Qaida continues to strike at will in Europe and bides their time until they can assemble a real WMD to use against us.

Mark my words: the first major WMD terrorist attack will be against the United States. And it will be because the Bush administration gave Al-Qaida a half a generation to recover from their initial stumbles.

We WILL be in the autonomous territories in Pakistan in force before this is all over. The question is whether it will be to pre-emptively take out the Al-Qaida leadership OR in response to a million casualties in some US city.

OMG so send the country further in dept? send more troops to their death? Flush the forgein face of America down the toilet? Fight fight fight fight, thats the Ameerican way right? seek those buzzards out and shoot em right Pa?! Wake up red, being the aggressor hasnt worked for 8 fucking years!! Pull the fuck out and let the muslims deal with their own bullshit. with more troops back at home the country is more secure, not having them in the middle of hell a thousand miles away. THE FIRST WMD TERRORIST ATTACK ALREADY HAPPENED BUD, IT WAS CALLED HIROSHIMA...THE SECOND WAS NAGASAKI...

[ollie]

Originally Posted by PMCRW

DUDE Pakistan aint doing shit. They just reopened the Red Mosque and guess what TALIBAN ALREADY TOOK IT OVER AGAIN. So all that shit they talked last week about furthering the fight against terrorism was bullshit. PAKISTAN is the Holiday Inn for terrorists. Obama is a fucking moron for thinking the American people even want to be at war. HOW ABOUT WE DOn'T INVADE ANOTHER COUNTRY. Why cant we just bring our troops home and man the fucking fort instead of banging on everyones door in a futial witchhunt? this country doesnt need to be at war for another fucking decade. Obama is a idiot for opening his mouth and i want to say he just handed it to Hillary...

They allow us to use their land and airspace... plus they've helped us capture Daniel Pearls killers and the planner for 9/11... can't remember his name... there's a reason why they've tried to kill the president several times... and no one WANTS to be at war... war is just sometimes necessary... I've said many times my problem with the war and Bush is the execution of the war not that we got into it

[winstonbiggs]

Originally Posted by PMCRW

OMG so send the country further in dept? send more troops to their death? Flush the forgein face of America down the toilet? Fight fight fight fight, thats the Ameerican way right? seek those buzzards out and shoot em right Pa?! Wake up red, being the aggressor hasnt worked for 8 fucking years!! Pull the fuck out and let the muslims deal with their own bullshit. with more troops back at home the country is more secure, not having them in the middle of hell a thousand miles away. THE FIRST WMD TERRORIST ATTACK ALREADY HAPPENED BUD, IT WAS CALLED HIROSHIMA...THE SECOND WAS NAGASAKI..

Maybe the dumbest thing I ever read on this board. You have some valid points that can certainly be backed up but this one is so out of context and so far from the truth.

[Jetzz]

Originally Posted by PMCRW

OMG so send the country further in dept? send more troops to their death? Flush the forgein face of America down the toilet? Fight fight fight fight, thats the Ameerican way right? seek those buzzards out and shoot em right Pa?! Wake up red, being the aggressor hasnt worked for 8 fucking years!! Pull the fuck out and let the muslims deal with their own bullshit. with more troops back at home the country is more secure, not having them in the middle of hell a thousand miles away. THE FIRST WMD TERRORIST ATTACK ALREADY HAPPENED BUD, IT WAS CALLED HIROSHIMA...THE SECOND WAS NAGASAKI...

Being the oppressor works a lot better when you aim the guns in the right direction.

[PMCRW]

Originally Posted by winstonbiggs

Maybe the dumbest thing I ever read on this board. You have some valid points that can certainly be backed up but this one is so out of context and so far from the truth.

how is that? Whats the difference between an invading army dropping a nuke and a terrorist using a nuke (which in actuallity isnt one person its a cell meaning its like 10-20 people who are part of a larger militia backed by a political party). Go to japan and ask them what they think about us in reference to WWII...

oh and by the way speaking of Pakistan:

Support for Musharraf plummets
AP - 1 hour, 23 minutes ago

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - President Gen. Pervez Musharraf, already battling surging violence and a political crisis of his own making, got more bad news Wednesday from a rare public opinion poll in Pakistan.

[PMCRW]

Originally Posted by ollie

They allow us to use their land and airspace... plus they've helped us capture Daniel Pearls killers and the planner for 9/11... can't remember his name... there's a reason why they've tried to kill the president several times... and no one WANTS to be at war... war is just sometimes necessary... I've said many times my problem with the war and Bush is the execution of the war not that we got into it

yeah those fingerprints were dead on! You believe that crap? What makes you think that they didnt just grap any insurgent and point the finger? Do you think there was really any substantial evidence other than some guy on a camel saying, "Jes it vas him!" Come on...there is no law and order in the Middle East. There is no justice there are no rights. Just a cleric who says if its agaist Alah and the Koran its bad. Until they seperate that shit like we did 200 something years ago they are going to be continously up shits creek. The real terrorist are the clerics that are in power and radically interprete the Koran and dictate how muslims should live their lives. seriously do yourself a favor especially if you are all about stopping terrorism cold in its tracks, AND WATCH THIS:

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[ollie]

Originally Posted by PMCRW

yeah those fingerprints were dead on! You believe that crap? What makes you think that they didnt just grap any insurgent and point the finger? Do you think there was really any substantial evidence other than some guy on a camel saying, "Jes it vas him!" Come on...there is no law and order in the Middle East. There is no justice there are no rights. Just a cleric who says if its agaist Alah and the Koran its bad. Until they seperate that shit like we did 200 something years ago they are going to be continously up shits creek. The real terrorist are the clerics that are in power and radically interprete the Koran and dictate how muslims should live their lives. seriously do yourself a favor especially if you are all about stopping terrorism cold in its tracks, AND WATCH THIS:

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Wow...

It's been documented from nearly every intelligence source Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was the planner of 9/11

Didn't realize you were actually insane...

[winstonbiggs]

Originally Posted by PMCRW

how is that? Whats the difference between an invading army dropping a nuke and a terrorist using a nuke (which in actuallity isnt one person its a cell meaning its like 10-20 people who are part of a larger militia backed by a political party). Go to japan and ask them what they think about us in reference to WWII...

We never invaded Japan they sneak attacked us. They also enslaved most of Asia. Japan the country, the entire country attacked us. The reason we dropped the Nukes was to aviod invading them with the possability of huge losses of life on both sides.

Japan has been trying to forge the history of their disgracefull behavior during the war for decades now, apparently it's working although it's not playing well with the older crowd in the Phillipines, Korea and China or for that matter with the survivors of Pearl Harbor and the Pacific Fleet.

[Cman55]

While I agree that Obama may be in over his head on Foreign Policy, I can't believe I'm reading support for that double dealing, mealy mouthed Musharaff. Osama's been hiding (hanging out) in the Waziristan region. That would be the very same region that Musharaff struck a deal with to save his own sorry ass from a war on Islamist fundamentalist Murderers.

That Musharaff has an A-bomb isn't good at all given his tenous hold on power. However, as long as we back the side of oppressive gov'ts (Saudis, Egyptian, Pakistani...) for every "terrorist" we kill, there will be a "fighter" to take his place. Maybe they run out of people first. Maybe we run out of money. Either way, the head count will make the grim reaper very very happy.

Pakistan cannot invade or control what happens in over a third of their country. If we get Intel that Al Qaeda is meeting someplace or the location of a training camp. then we act on it. We can no longer depend on our "allies" as their interest seems to lie in unending war instead of resolution.

Understand that other countries we don't like WILL develop the bomb. It happened in 1947 and it will continue to happen. That cannot handcuff this country's foreign policy. 20 billion dollars to the corrupt Saudi gov't won't buy us one more day of security. Neither will coddling Pakistan.

[Poeman]

this is a excellent idea... one that i totally agree with.

[Br4dw4y5ux]

Originally Posted by PMCRW

OMG so send the country further in dept? send more troops to their death? Flush the forgein face of America down the toilet? Fight fight fight fight, thats the Ameerican way right? seek those buzzards out and shoot em right Pa?! Wake up red, being the aggressor hasnt worked for 8 fucking years!! Pull the fuck out and let the muslims deal with their own bullshit. with more troops back at home the country is more secure, not having them in the middle of hell a thousand miles away. THE FIRST WMD TERRORIST ATTACK ALREADY HAPPENED BUD, IT WAS CALLED HIROSHIMA...THE SECOND WAS NAGASAKI...

Just because the current administration has been confused about where the fight should be, and has flushed billions of dollars and thousands of lives down the toilet in the process, does not mean that there is not a fight out there that we need to be winning right now.

We ignore threats like Al-Qaida and the governments that empower them (Pakistan and Saudi Arabia primarily) at our imminent risk.