[nyjunc]

Originally Posted by jerseyjay14

Timing? the guy is wide the fuck open on a go route. what timing? just chuck it up anywhere in play and its a touchdown. its not like it was a play action pass and option route. if you cant hit a guy streaking wide open with 3 or 4 steps on the DB, something is wrong


he wasnt accounted for. unaccounted for rushers are on the QB. they brought more then we could block, he needs to read that and go hot. its not like it was a defensive tackle beating his guy, it was a corner.


if he threw to a wide open shilens over the middle instead of a covered kerly on the right watt woudl be nowhere near the play to tip it.


if mark throws it to schilens on the second tip instead of kerley, then watt doesnt tip it and its a touchdown. if mark doesnt throw a terrible pass to cromartie its a touchdown.

mark did not play well. he didnt play awful, but he left several plays on the field, and made only 4 or so good passes all game.

oh so I guess all players run at the same speed.

he did leave plays on the field but Watt made the difference w/ 2 outstanding plays that would have been TDs.

[catfish]

Originally Posted by nyjunc

unbelievable, the pass was floated up and allowed the DB to make a play making it a difficult catch. He had a guy wide open w/ no safety behind him, if he makes a better throw it's a TD but it was a drop. Did they not see the DB grab Hill's arm?

putting the explanation on the crawl bar is stupid, but you are mistaken, that was a perfectly thrown ball, the DB didn't hit Hills arms till the ball was missed, Hill didnt break stride or slow down and it went through his hands and hit him in the face. If you don't believe me ask Rex Ryan, or Jason Hill, they both said it was a perfect pass and it was dropped. Making it out like it could have been thrown better is ridiculous.

[nyjunc]

Originally Posted by catfish

putting the explanation on the crawl bar is stupid, but you are mistaken, that was a perfectly thrown ball, the DB didn't hit Hills arms till the ball was missed, Hill didnt break stride or slow down and it went through his hands and hit him in the face. If you don't believe me ask Rex Ryan, or Jason Hill, they both said it was a perfect pass and it was dropped. Making it out like it could have been thrown better is ridiculous.

it was not a perfectly thrown ball, a perfectly thrown ball is a TD. Even if Hill catches it he is getting tackled immediately but b/c the ball hung in the air it allowed the defender to make a play. watch the replay again, watch the Dbs hand grab Hills arm. Hill had his man beat w/ no safety, he needed to throw it so Hill could run under it and score, instead he had to slow down and stretch back giving the DB time to get back in the play.

[catfish]

Originally Posted by nyjunc

it was not a perfectly thrown ball, a perfectly thrown ball is a TD. Even if Hill catches it he is getting tackled immediately but b/c the ball hung in the air it allowed the defender to make a play. watch the replay again, watch the Dbs hand grab Hills arm. Hill had his man beat w/ no safety, he needed to throw it so Hill could run under it and score, instead he had to slow down and stretch back giving the DB time to get back in the play.

I have wathced the play at least 15 time both at full speed and in slow motion, the receiver did not slow to catch the bal, the DB did not get a hand on the receiver until after the ball had bounced off his face. the only reason the DB got a hand on the receiver at all is that he was able to dive at the last minute to close the gap.




if you PM me an email address I will send you video of the play in slow motion

[nyjunc]

Originally Posted by catfish

I have wathced the play at least 15 time both at full speed and in slow motion, the receiver did not slow to catch the bal, the DB did not get a hand on the receiver until after the ball had bounced off his face. the only reason the DB got a hand on the receiver at all is that he was able to dive at the last minute to close the gap.

if you PM me an email address I will send you video of the play in slow motion

He clearly slows down and stretches back, the defnder clearly gets his hand in there to knock it out. I am not sure if he was dropping it before the defender got his hand in there but the pass made it possible for the DB to catch up. You couldn't ask for an easier throw w/ no safety and the WR having beaten his man.

[Bannon]

Originally Posted by nyjunc

You couldn't ask for an easier throw w/ no safety and the WR having beaten his man.

It was a good ways down the field, with a man right with him. There are easier throws.

It was right on the money.

[Potzer]

Heh doesn't matter, it wasn't a catch.

As the Sanchez folks say, all it did was give Sanchez one less down.

[nyjunc]

Originally Posted by catfish

I have wathced the play at least 15 time both at full speed and in slow motion, the receiver did not slow to catch the bal, the DB did not get a hand on the receiver until after the ball had bounced off his face. the only reason the DB got a hand on the receiver at all is that he was able to dive at the last minute to close the gap.




if you PM me an email address I will send you video of the play in slow motion

do you see how he is leaning back and the defender is in progress about to swipe at his arm and break the play up?

Originally Posted by Bannon

It was a good ways down the field, with a man right with him. There are easier throws.

It was right on the money.

he couldn't have had an easier throw, wide open WR w/ no safety help. Put the ball out in front and it's a TD.

[catfish]

Originally Posted by nyjunc

do you see how he is leaning back and the defender is in progress about to swipe at his arm and break the play up?



he couldn't have had an easier throw, wide open WR w/ no safety help. Put the ball out in front and it's a TD.

HE IS 30 yards down field, the receiver runs literally 20 yards looking back at the ball the whole time while the ball is in the air,he is drifting left to right on the play, it is his job to make sure that he is in position to make that catch, if he had to slightly lean back it is because he made a poor adjustment on the ball while it was in the air.

For the record

Rex Ryan
Jason Hill
Trent Dilfer
Steve Young
Stephen A smith(listed for anti tebow bias)
the wall street journal
aol sports
nfl network


all referred to it as a perfect pass, so you are putting your knowledge up against some people with pretty extensive knowledge plus the guiy who should have caught the pass.

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[Potzer]

Add Brian Dawkins to that list.

However it still doesn't matter.

[nyjunc]

please don't put Stepen A. Smith on any list, that invalidates it immediately. I don't care what anyone else says, the ball hung up and allowed the defender to make a play. he had the easiest throw a QB can make and it wasn't a bad throw but it was far from perfect.

[JET'S_my_name]

Looked perfect to me.

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[catfish]

Originally Posted by JET'S_my_name

Looked perfect to me.

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if you click on the image from my last post it should take you to a slow motion clip of the play....did it not work?

[JET'S_my_name]

Originally Posted by catfish

if you click on the image from my last post it should take you to a slow motion clip of the play....did it not work?

Oh, I never even tried. But yes it does work. Good deal.

[Apple Jack]

Originally Posted by nyjunc

I don't care what anyone else says,.

[JFjets]

Originally Posted by JET'S_my_name

I'm sure it would be worse in NY. Much bigger market.

Maybe, but it's not like he hasn't been criticized by NFL/sports media in every corner of the country already, I wasn't just talking about the press in Denver.

Originally Posted by nyjunc

it was not a perfectly thrown ball

Yes, it was, you're an idiot.

Originally Posted by nyjunc

I don't care what anyone else says

That much is clear. As Mitt Romney said to Obama in the debate last week, though, "you're not entitled to your own facts".

[TTTTebowAndTheJets]

Originally Posted by nyjunc

unbelievable, the pass was floated up and allowed the DB to make a play making it a difficult catch. He had a guy wide open w/ no safety behind him, if he makes a better throw it's a TD but it was a drop. Did they not see the DB grab Hill's arm?

you have GOT to be kidding me.

[Backup QB]

Originally Posted by nyjunc

please don't put Stepen A. Smith on any list, that invalidates it immediately. I don't care what anyone else says, the ball hung up and allowed the defender to make a play. he had the easiest throw a QB can make and it wasn't a bad throw but it was far from perfect.

You got balls kid... I like you.

Wait.

No, I don't.

For you to have the audacity to come here, in a public place, and in spite of clear audiovisual evidence and say that pass wasn't thrown perfectly is mind-boggling. And then, to suggest that the presence of Stephen A. Smith invalidates any list... good God, man... have you no decency?