[Bill Belichdouche]

Well this is a knee jerk reaction thread

Hill is only 21.

[Demosthenes9]

Originally Posted by displacedfan

You have to let him take that 5 to 7 step drop though. Many times we are rushing the step back or won't let him get there. On the long developing routes, we don't give him time to stand back there and chuck it. On the few times he gets time, he's too scared to throw into coverage for Hill (probably the whole lets force this QB into a game manager idea) and checks out of it. The few times he actually makes a good throw (lets say half the time) then there is a 50% chance Hill catches it. They are a fine tuned offense and this is what happens.

So between the OL inconsistency, Sanchez's inconsistency, and Hill's inconsistency, it rarely happens



He's a good pick for building for the future. We needed some young talent at WR somewhere. At least we acknowledged we screwed up past offseason by making this draft move, a year too late, but we acknowledged it.

Again, a 9 route isn't actually a "long developing route". Ball is snapped and Hill takes off down the field. Sanchez takes a full 5 step drop, does a hitch step and immediately throws the ball on an arc down the field. While the ball is travelling in the air, Stephen Hill continues to run at his 4.3 speed.

Do you understand what it means for a guy to run a 4.3 40 ? It means that it takes him 4.3 seconds to run 40 freaking yards. Sanchez's drop, hitch and release and air travel time for the ball will be at least 3.5 seconds with a 5 step drop. That puts Hill about 30 yards down he field. If Mark takes a 7 step drop, that puts Hill about 40 yards down the field.

The first thing Mark has to do is determine the coverage. If it's Cover 0, that's the easiest. Just get to the end of his drop, do the hitch step, and throw the ball to a predetermined point down the sideline and let Hill run under it. If it's Cover 1, he needs to look the safety off while taking his drop, you know, to actually try and move the safety off the numbers, then let the ball fly.

Onus is then on Hill. HE had better be the only one to come down with that ball. If he can't catch it, he needs to make sure that no one else does.

Now, I understand that Mark hasn't had a lot of time to stand around the pocket, but I can't recall him having been sacked this year while he was actually in his drop. I.e, he's had time to make this throw.

Why Sparano doesn't call it, or why Mark hasn't thrown it is a mystery to me.

[JET'S_my_name]

i am dissapoint

[Brunell's Debt]

Originally Posted by b.reyes16

Honestly just send the mither Ducker deep and throw the ball up. We don't even use the kid. Even a screen here and there would be good. Use his God damn speed.

Throwing the ball deep with Sanchez hasn't worked out so well for us.

[3lixer.]

Originally Posted by Bill Belichdouche

Well this is a knee jerk reaction thread

Hill is only 21.

Yes, and he comes from a triple option system at GT. Also, NFL WR is one of the hardest positions for a rookie to come in and make an immediate impact.

Not worried at all about Hill. Give him 3 years and he'll hopefully be a pro-bowl caliber WR (he has the physical gifts to achieve this).

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pic of Hill doing jumping jacks while wide open in the end zone. Maybe it's not Hill's fault he's not productive?

[NYJFOREVER]

He was WIDE open in the endzone yesterday. Sanchez didn't see him (go figure)

[rohirrim665]

Originally Posted by raortega3

In order to throw it deep you need time to let the play develop. Even though Sanchez has been a huge let down, the guy is getting zero time behind the line. There were a number if times that a blocker completely - and I have never seen anything like this - missed his man, resulting in Sanchez being on the ground within seconds.

He had all the time in the world on his INT in the redzone.

[rohirrim665]

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pic of Hill doing jumping jacks while wide open in the end zone. Maybe it's not Hill's fault he's not productive?

Wow, I just got pissed. PS I think Hill is going to turn out to be a great pick. Sparano has been utterly disappointing this year. I thought I was going to like his style too.

[MikeSLTJ23]

I'm tired of the "he's not comfortable with him" bullshit. If Sanchez isn't the most coddled QB in the history of the NFL, I really really don't know who is. It's so f***ing annoying at this point. We've wasted too much time on this nonsense. He's never been a starting caliber QB. He never will be. Did he go to the AFC Championship Game 2 years? Sure. So did a lot of players on the team. But they get no credit for that, only Sanchez ever seems to. And when we suck, it's everyone else's fault. Drives me nuts.

Stephen Hill drops more passes than he should. He's a rookie. Maybe he'll learn, maybe he won't. We know what we have in Sanchez. We don't really have a clue what we have in Hill because we don't have a real NFL QB.

[Greeny]

The one thing that really bothers me is his hands. That's something you either have or you don't. Sure you can improve a little bit. But I don't know any consistent deep threats with bad hands. Or any Wrs for that matter. Sure you can improve on route running , getting in/out your breaks etc. But his hands bother me. Drafted too high imo. Biggest problem we have is that Mark is almost certainly our "starting QB" next year.

[MikeSLTJ23]

Originally Posted by Greeny

The one thing that really bothers me is his hands. That's something you either have or you don't. Sure you can improve a little bit. But I don't know any consistent deep threats with bad hands. Or any Wrs for that matter. Sure you can improve on route running , getting in/out your breaks etc. But his hands bother me. Drafted too high imo. Biggest problem we have is that Mark is almost certainly our "starting QB" next year.

I agree that you can't teach hand-eye coordination, but even if he bombs, it's hard to argue that he won't stretch the field and keep defenses honest. As bad as his hands may be, you can't just leave a guy open for that reason, and it will open the defense up.

If Mark Sanchez finishes the year the same way he's played so far, there is no way that he will be the starter next year. No way.

[VanderbiltJets]

We could've had 22 starting pro bowlers had we used hindsight for all of our drafts!

[Demosthenes9]

Originally Posted by Greeny

The one thing that really bothers me is his hands. That's something you either have or you don't. Sure you can improve a little bit. But I don't know any consistent deep threats with bad hands. Or any Wrs for that matter. Sure you can improve on route running , getting in/out your breaks etc. But his hands bother me. Drafted too high imo. Biggest problem we have is that Mark is almost certainly our "starting QB" next year.

Ummm, do some reading about Jerry Rice's first year in the NFL

[Aewhistory]

Originally Posted by alleycat9

he has to develop continuity with sanchez, dont you guys know it takes 3 or 5 years of the same guys playing together before they even realize tehy are on the field together? i mean seriously these guys have only practiced together for 8 months, they have probably only ran 1000 or so routes.

give em time, or we will need new people and it will take 3 or 5 years for them to get to know eachother too.

in all seriousness though, the kid will develop once he gets a decent qb and a coordinator who has a bit of a clue whats going on i think he will be fine.

Yea, I like how the number of years players need to develop keeps going up in this thread. I'm going for the home run here--I think it takes 15-25 years for a WR and QB to really develop chemistry.... and you can't even expect a wideout to run good routes until they've been in the league at least, say, 10 years! Before that they've got to do their nine years of rookie work....

C'mon guys, pre-FAgency teams didn't even have that luxury of having all their
players together for 3-5 years, just a core at best. Nowadays you're lucky if you field the same team week to week with what seems to be an exponentially growing number of injuries and the endless carousel of players from years to year. Players have -weeks- to develop chemistry, like it or not.

[Demosthenes9]

Originally Posted by Aewhistory

Yea, I like how the number of years players need to develop keeps going up in this thread. I'm going for the home run here--I think it takes 15-25 years for a WR and QB to really develop chemistry.... and you can't even expect a wideout to run good routes until they've been in the league at least, say, 10 years! Before that they've got to do their nine years of rookie work....

C'mon guys, pre-FAgency teams didn't even have that luxury of having all their
players together for 3-5 years, just a core at best. Nowadays you're lucky if you field the same team week to week with what seems to be an exponentially growing number of injuries and the endless carousel of players from years to year. Players have -weeks- to develop chemistry, like it or not.

Another thing is that some people put too much on chemistry. Chemistry is indeed important, but it's like the icing on the cake. It's what takes a good QB/WR duo and makes them fantastic.

Any given QB and WR should be able to largely be on the same page in a matter of a couple of practices. That's more than enough time for receivers to get used to how a QB throws the ball, and for the QB to learn where receivers like the ball, how they are going to run their routes, yada, yada, yada.

Chemistry takes everything to another level, like back shoulder fades, when will the QB throw it, when will the WR expect it.

Read an article somewhere that talked about how it took Matt Stafford something like a year to finally realize that when Megatron was downfield being triple covered, he was actually still open. That all he had to do was put the ball up there and Megatron would come down with it.

[Acad23]

Preach it, brother.

I've been saying the same thing here since people started using that as another excuse for Sanchez's piss poor play.

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[Mambo9]

Problem with Hill: It's not his route running (yeah, he's young... he'll learn). It's his fucking hand-eye coordination! I don't think you can learn that, it's like you can't teach speed... you can't teach hand-eye coordination. This is why he's had a gazillion drops dating back from GT.

[Jets n Boys]

Originally Posted by Mambo9

Problem with Hill: It's not his route running (yeah, he's young... he'll learn). It's his fucking hand-eye coordination! I don't think you can learn that, it's like you can't teach speed... you can't teach hand-eye coordination. This is why he's had a gazillion drops dating back from GT.

No, its not hand eye coordination. Its just focus. He'll make a tough catch but drop an easy one. That has nothing to do with hand eye coordination. We had the same problem with Braylon one year (10+ drops), but the following year, he had the least amount of drops on the team (1). Focus is important and can be coached.