[Ryan76]

I get your point. Didnt mean to derail, by being to general, you're right.

[JetsNation06]

Originally Posted by LongTimeJetsFan

This isn't about blaming one player for everything. For some reason whenever you point out someone doing something right or wrong on this forum people always seem to exaggerate it all the way to the end of the spectrum like you just did. I'm not giving you a hard time, just making a general observation.

This is about a huge drop-off in one players production and the fact that his backup is performing better.

Very well said. This board is like living in a Marxist socialist state. You either have to say that everyone sucks or support them blindly.

If you give a critical honest evaluation of one player who hurts the Jets, then all of the Utopians on this board need to make sure that the blame is shared by all and they then say you're not a fan which is quite the contrary.

More posters here need to deal in reality. Bottom line is some players on this team just suck and are hurting the Jets and our chances of winning which is why they play the games.

Those players need to be replaced by better players. End of story.

[Revis is your daddy]

Originally Posted by LongTimeJetsFan

This is a guy that had been a rock for us in the middle the last 2 years. He was one of the best run stopping NT's in the league, ranked 3rd in 2010 and 2nd in 2011 by PFF in stopping the run.

This year he's getting pushed around and is playing poorly against the run. As of right now PFF has him ranked 44th against the run. That makes him not even the best NT on the Jets against the run with Ellis ranked 17th even after a terrible performance against the run vs. SF.

Now I know the guy is coming off injury, so maybe that's part of the problem. He's also 33 years old and probably beginning a natural decline in his skills.

The good news is that outside of the Niners game, Ellis has played pretty damn well against the run. He also gives us more in terms of a pass rush than Pouha ever did.

Seems to me that Ellis should be getting the majority of the snaps there. At least for now. Hopefully this is one of the changes the coaches are looking at.

He has sucked so far this year. Really bad which is so disappointing because he was one of my favorite players of the last 3 seasons. I know he had his back problem in camp and I think he sat out week 1. I'm hoping it was just him coming back to early and this is his reason for having such a week push at the line all of a sudden.

[bobaru]

I see players out of position, and a general lack of player discipline (staying in gap, seam the outside) contributing to the appearance of poor play on both the offensive and defensive side of the ball. There also sems to be a lack of toughness, thus far in the season. Perhaps they're taking a rope-a-dope approach, and intend to save the strength and the best play for later in the season when teams are exhausted.

[HardHitta]

Since that contract he's been hurt. An at his age, who knows if his back will ever really get better.

[alleycat9]

so do you think he is fat off his contract or still feeling the effects of injury? it was his back correct?

i would say its pretty safe to say its him coming back from injury and or fighting through it.

in that case ellis should be playing more than the majority of the snaps.

i think rex may be the type who is comfortable with the vets so he doesnt play the young guys over them until he gets comfortable with them. and thats horse shit the best players who are playing the best should be on the field whenever possible.

[mr nyjet]

two players that are killing the team are not injured- sanchez and bart scott.

both are high pay/low production. both should sit. davis should start at ilb with harris, and mcelroy at qb, with tebowcat series at least twice a game.

the other night, the rams started wf hunter at lt and shotty was the oc. the rams won, witha real talent at qb. hunter played well at lt! matbe the rams have a better o-line coach and oc than we do ( sporano)- remember that even the phins fans warned us.

[b.reyes16]

Originally Posted by mr nyjet

two players that are killing the team are not injured- sanchez and bart scott.

both are high pay/low production. both should sit. davis should start at ilb with harris, and mcelroy at qb, with tebowcat series at least twice a game.

the other night, the rams started wf hunter at lt and shotty was the oc. the rams won, witha real talent at qb. hunter played well at lt! matbe the rams have a better o-line coach and oc than we do ( sporano)- remember that even the phins fans warned us.

Schotty? Are you kidding me?

[mr nyjet]

Originally Posted by b.reyes16

Schotty? Are you kidding me?

actually, no. maybe the problem is sanchez, not shotty.

compared to sporano, shotty looks like bill walsh.

btw, how much better has our o-line performed since sporano replaced callahan? how can wayne hunter look so bad playing right tackle here but start and look good at left tackle in st. louis? his qb can throw well, and his oc isn't trying to runa ground only attack in a league set up for passing offenses.

on the other hand, if i was stuck with sanchez, i'd be handing off every play.

[LongTimeJetsFan]

Originally Posted by mr nyjet

two players that are killing the team are not injured- sanchez and bart scott.

both are high pay/low production. both should sit. davis should start at ilb with harris, and mcelroy at qb, with tebowcat series at least twice a game.

the other night, the rams started wf hunter at lt and shotty was the oc. the rams won, witha real talent at qb. hunter played well at lt! matbe the rams have a better o-line coach and oc than we do ( sporano)- remember that even the phins fans warned us.

Thanks. That has been discussed ad nauseam in 6723 other threads though. What the fuck does it have with Pouha playing like shit?

[b.reyes16]

Originally Posted by mr nyjet

actually, no. maybe the problem is sanchez, not shotty.

compared to sporano, shotty looks like bill walsh.

btw, how much better has our o-line performed since sporano replaced callahan? how can wayne hunter look so bad playing right tackle here but start and look good at left tackle in st. louis? his qb can throw well, and his oc isn't trying to runa ground only attack in a league set up for passing offenses.

on the other hand, if i was stuck with sanchez, i'd be handing off every play.

I never brought Sanchez up, do I don't know where you're coming from. Schotty is just bad. Really really bad.

[mr nyjet]

Originally Posted by LongTimeJetsFan

Thanks. That has been discussed ad nauseam in 6723 other threads though. What the fuck does it have with Pouha playing like shit?

it's just another example of how guys who should sit are playing while guys who should play more are stuck on the sidelines.

a " veteran" who is not producing should not start just because he's a veteran.

results count, the rest is just stupidity.

[mr nyjet]

Originally Posted by b.reyes16

I never brought Sanchez up, do I don't know where you're coming from. Schotty is just bad. Really really bad.

but better than sporano, evidently. . ..

[Footballgod214]

Pouha has been playing hurt with a lower back injury, and Ellis has light years to go to be as effective as Pouha CAN be when healthy.

As far as tossing our vets on the scrap heap and bringing in our young guns?

Rex's plan for this season was for his vets to stop the run and set up 3rd and long. THEN bring his young speedsters in to play smear the queer. But so far, we've not seen many 3rd and longs.

Playing his rookies on 1st/2nd down could be a mistake.

These downs are far more complicated than 3rd and long. Defending against the run/pass/screens/reverses/TEs/on/and/on like we do on 1st and 2nd downs is far more complicated than 'kill the QB' on 3rd and long.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by wildaces

I don't believe he is coaching his job this year, after 2 straight AFC Championship runs, however, I could see him on the hot seat next year.

Right. Next year, if this happens, the media will persuade Woody do that for sure.

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Kendrick Ellis interview. I agree that we should go with youth on defense. Let them grow together. Davis included.

[Revis Now Redux]

Our Defense is built for stopping the run yet we are the second worst rush defense in the league. So i say go with the young guns because obviously our current personnel isnt doing what we are actually good at.

[luckiestman]

i think they need 4 down linemen all the time with the roster as it stands

even pouha on his best day was no kris jenkins. pouha was, WAS, stout and could hold his spot, but not anymore