[Backup QB]

Originally Posted by BeastBeach

Man you are puh-thetic

Wow. That hurts. I've been called pathetic by a 18-20 year old who lacks basic reading comprehension. Give your mom back the laptop she bought you and concentrate on your college algebra course you are retaking for the fourth time.

Keep up with the personal attacks, while the rest of us discuss football.

[broomulack]

Originally Posted by Backup QB

This is about Rex Ryan, not Tebow. Mods if you feel this has too much of a Tebow flavor to it, please move.

All I've heard about Rex Ryan is that he's a brash, dynamic, no fear type of leader. In contrast, John Fox is viewed as ultra-conservative footballwise. But when push came to shove, Fox went ahead and took a gamble on Tebow when Orton failed... and he did it in week 6. He saw the signs that they were going nowhere and made the change. We may argue on whether the offense he created for Tebow was the best one for him, but hey, they implemented it in a bye week and rolled with it. It may have been the defense, it may have been the special teams, it may have been the coaching... it may have been anything but Tebow according to many people, but the fact is they won enough games to win the division, get into the playoffs and win a playoff game.

The end result is that the Broncos had a positive attitude going into 2012. They obviously greatly improved their QB position by signing HOFer Peyton Manning. Even the staunchest Tebow fan will not argue that. But even still, the Broncos would have at least been in decent shape with Tebow starting. 10 wins would not have been a stretch.

So what I'm asking you all is... is Rex Ryan a forward enough thinking coach for your tastes? It's not about Tebow. He could have gone to McElroy and it still would have shown boldness. If you look at Pete Carroll in SEA, he ditched the safer choice Flynn (who was paid a ton of money) for the riskier but higher upside Russell Wilson and look at the success. Look at Harbaugh going to Kaepernick over Smith. I'm not surprised by Carroll and Harbaugh though. I was surprised by Fox, though... and even more so by Ryan *not* making the switch due to his perceived fearlessness and the image he portrays. Even this week, he went back to Sanchez instead of rolling the dice in a meaningless game.

I understand not wanting to start Tebow for reasons of insecurity on his passing ability, or the implications of if he does well against the Bills. I understand sticking with Sanchez longer than Fox did with Orton, because the Jets season wasn't lost after the first 5 games.

Still, the question remains... is Ryan too conservative as a head coach? Why or Why not?

The answer to your question about whether Rex Ryan is too conservative and forward thinking enough can be answered definitively with one example from earlier this year:

Jets down 35-0, 7 seconds left in the half, 1st and goal. Instead of taking a shot at the endzone, he brings out the kicker to kick a FG. Down 35. On 1st down. This showed that he had absolutely no confidence in his QB. Yet his QB was back out there for the 2nd half.

That, to me, exemplifies Rex's head lack of balls and common sense

[typeOnegative13NY]

still,can not have anything to do that most likely tebow stunk it up in practice. nope,it's a religious conspiracy.

[Backup QB]

Originally Posted by typeOnegative13NY

still,can not have anything to do that most likely tebow stunk it up in practice. nope,it's a religious conspiracy.

Obvious trolling. Nobody said anything about religion. Nice thread derail attempt. That's why I asked the mods to close it. I knew it would turn into something ridiculous and Tebow-centric in the Tebowmania forum.

[Slap]

Originally Posted by typeOnegative13NY

still,can not have anything to do that most likely tebow stunk it up in practice. nope,it's a religious conspiracy.

Even people who claim not to be Christians are quick to use religious persecution as a convenient excuse.

It always cracks me up when the Tebots unselfconsciously declare that their hero is a poor practice player, because, you know, practice is so meaningless. They never consider the negative ripple effect poor practices have on the entire offense.

One of the best things about having Peyton Manning in Denver is the Broncos no longer come out flat against inferior opponents. Manning's preparation and professionalism inoculates the whole team against that kind of thing.

[typeOnegative13NY]

Originally Posted by Backup QB

Obvious trolling. Nobody said anything about religion. Nice thread derail attempt. That's why I asked the mods to close it. I knew it would turn into something ridiculous and Tebow-centric in the Tebowmania forum.

trolling? you are the one who is making threads insisting that rex -lol- refused to ply tebow even though it would have led the jets to the -lol- superbowl. I mean for fucks sake,manning doesnt have a whole lot left in the tank, why would denver not keep and groom the future qb if he was worth a damn. great guy,fucking crap for a qb. there just has to be some conspiracy or something wrong with rex,it could never be that mr holy is absolute garbage in practice.

[deathstar]

Speaking about Manning, one of these clowns proudly proclaimed that the Broncos would not make the playoffs...

Who was that?

And about the thread, practice is important.

[displacedfan]

Simple answer, no. He used Trufant, a 5th corner/ST gunner to cover Welker because he thought it could work. That right there is something.

Now if you want to say his offense style is not risky, I agree but I think your speaking about overall coaching conditions.

And yes this is about Tebow. If the Jets had Wilson, they would have 100% pushed for him to start because Wilson would have looked better in practice than Sanchez. If Tebow is not outperforming Sanchez or McElroy in practice and on top of that the coach had the player pushed on him, it make a lot of sense that player isn't starting. IF that player also has two broken ribs and the offense would have be tailored to get maximum effectiveness, just another reason.

[CowboysFan]

Originally Posted by deathstar

Speaking about Manning, one of these clowns proudly proclaimed that the Broncos would not make the playoffs...

Who was that?

And about the thread, practice is important.

Another dolphin fan who can't get enough Tebow, you and best beach are like the south beach version of Phaytal and concerned citizen.

I am happy though that Tebow let you guys and Jets fans put aside their differences and unite against a common enemy

[TheJetChase]

I don't know if it's exactly conservativeness rather than loyalty. I think he stuck with Sanchez because Sanchez has been his guy for the past four years.

[Backup QB]

Originally Posted by typeOnegative13NY

trolling? you are the one who is making threads insisting that rex -lol- refused to ply tebow even though it would have led the jets to the -lol- superbowl. I mean for fucks sake,manning doesnt have a whole lot left in the tank, why would denver not keep and groom the future qb if he was worth a damn. great guy,fucking crap for a qb. there just has to be some conspiracy or something wrong with rex,it could never be that mr holy is absolute garbage in practice.

Never said that at all. Another guy who refuses to piece together the meaning of words interlaced into a sentence. This wasn't even about Tebow playing... it was about Rex's risk aversion.

Denver got rid of Tebow to avoid Tebowmania, which the Jets organization happily embraced... until the team fell apart.

[Backup QB]

Originally Posted by deathstar

Speaking about Manning, one of these clowns proudly proclaimed that the Broncos would not make the playoffs...

Who was that?

And about the thread, practice is important.

Hi, it was me.

[Dierking]

Originally Posted by TheJetChase

I don't know if it's exactly conservativeness rather than loyalty. I think he stuck with Sanchez because Sanchez has been his guy for the past four years.

Broken ribs are no joke. Isn't the simplest answer that Tebow may really never have been healthy enough to play significant snaps?

And has the theory that his salary swells to an enormous amount based on hitting certain playing time targets been laid to rest?

[typeOnegative13NY]

Originally Posted by Backup QB

Never said that at all. Another guy who refuses to piece together the meaning of words interlaced into a sentence. This wasn't even about Tebow playing... it was about Rex's risk aversion.

Denver got rid of Tebow to avoid Tebowmania, which the Jets organization happily embraced... until the team fell apart.

So Denver sacrificed their future to avoid the fans?do smell the crazy shit you shovel?