[Diddy]

Originally Posted by Dennis

Wow.

Yeah, I guess TWO 300-yd games counts as "multiple." With pass completion rates of 55% and 47%.

I don't give a flyin' fig about what Tebow did in college. Good in college gets you in the door with the pros. Then you've got to prove yourself all over again. Tebow hasn't.

Jamarcus Russell has a better career pass completion rate than Tebow. So does Ryan Leaf.

The Tebow fans want to give lil' Timmy FOREVER to "develop." Sorry, but NFL teams can't wait for Tebow to somehow magically transform suddenly into a decent QB. He is what he is and he hasn't improved at all since he's come into the League.

Tebow is a bust. The sooner the Jets admit this, the sooner they can cut their losses...

I do think passer rating is a better indicator of a person ability to pass the ball, and for Tebow it is below average. He is nit worse than Jamarcus and Ryan Leaf. Did you watch Ryan Leaf play?

Anyways Tebow didn't draft himself in first round, Josh Mcdaniels did. He was over drafted, though he would of went in the second round, no lower than the Buffalo Bills. In terms of where he was drafted he has been a disappointment. I'm not declaring he is a bust but if it goes the way it is going he will be. Though you can't put him in the bust category like Jamarcus Russel and Ryan Leaf. Same can be said for Sanchez.

Also in terms of the 2010 QB draft, Tebow is the most accomplished of them all, and if it stands up it might be one of the worst QB drafts in history.

[Backup QB]

Originally Posted by Concerned_Citizen

What would YOU call his career right now?

A success on the bench?

That is a different question, which I will answer.

Your line of thinking is equivalent using a snapshot picture to sum up what happened during the course of a several years long video.

Now, as far as whether his career is a success now? My answer would be yes, it is. Until he fails, he is a success. Not his fault Sanchez is seemingly unbenchable. It's almost an unfair question, because it is cherry-picked in respect to timeliness. Three weeks ago, Alex Smith was successful. Because of his recent benching, an individual like you ignore the past and ask right now this second he is not a starter and therefore is not successful. Mark Sanchez was relatively successful up until his benching. Is he still? Well, maybe, maybe not.

[JFjets]

Yeah, I guess TWO 300-yd games counts as "multiple." With pass completion rates of 55% and 47%.

You know how many 300+ yard games Tom Brady had in his first full season of starts in 2001? One. And you know what, guys who can't throw the football don't generally have even that many 300+ yard games. Tom Brady had 413 passing attempts in his first full season of starts with the Patriots, and he had One game where he threw for 300+ yards. One. Tebow had twice that many 300+ yard games in his first full season of starts, but with 60 less pass attempts. Does this tell us that Tim Tebow is as good as Tom Brady? No. Does this tell us that Tim Tebow can't throw the football? No. Does this tell us that Tim Tebow can throw the football? Yes.

Andrew Luck had a 44% completion rate in the victory against the Lions last week. Does that negate all the yards he threw for? Does it negate the 4 TD's he threw?

I don't give a flyin' fig about what Tebow did in college. Good in college gets you in the door with the pros.

Well of course you don't because it doesn't fit your meme about Tebow having remedial passing skills. Problem is, his history as a passer blows that meme to itty bitty pieces. But you know what, QB's are judged by what they did in college when they are getting ready to enter the NFL.

Then you've got to prove yourself all over again. Tebow hasn't.

I think you'd be in a pretty untenable position to argue this point since Tebow led his team to the division title and a play-off win against the #1 defense in the NFL, and had one of if not the best passing performance against said #1 defense that any NFL QB had all last season if not longer. Sorry, that's not a fluke, and it just goes to further prove the absurdity of your and all the other hater claims that he has no talent as a passer.

The Tebow fans want to give lil' Timmy FOREVER to "develop." Sorry, but NFL teams can't wait for Tebow to somehow magically transform suddenly into a decent QB. He is what he is and he hasn't improved at all since he's come into the League.

See, by using this pejorative way to refer to Tebow, you've outed yourself as someone who claims to not like Tebow the football player, but you've let your mask down and shown that really it has nothing to do with football, you dislike him for personal reasons, otherwise no reason whatsoever to refer to someone with his reputation in this way.

[TTTTebowAndTheJets]

Originally Posted by JFjets

You know how many 300+ yard games Tom Brady had in his first full season of starts in 2001? One. And you know what, guys who can't throw the football don't generally have even that many 300+ yard games. Tom Brady had 413 passing attempts in his first full season of starts with the Patriots, and he had One game where he threw for 300+ yards. One. Tebow had twice that many 300+ yard games in his first full season of starts, but with 60 less pass attempts. Does this tell us that Tim Tebow is as good as Tom Brady? No. Does this tell us that Tim Tebow can't throw the football? No. Does this tell us that Tim Tebow can throw the football? Yes.

Andrew Luck had a 44% completion rate in the victory against the Lions last week. Does that negate all the yards he threw for? Does it negate the 4 TD's he threw?



Well of course you don't because it doesn't fit your meme about Tebow having remedial passing skills. Problem is, his history as a passer blows that meme to itty bitty pieces. But you know what, QB's are judged by what they did in college when they are getting ready to enter the NFL.



I think you'd be in a pretty untenable position to argue this point since Tebow led his team to the division title and a play-off win against the #1 defense in the NFL, and had one of if not the best passing performance against said #1 defense that any NFL QB had all last season if not longer. Sorry, that's not a fluke, and it just goes to further prove the absurdity of your and all the other hater claims that he has no talent as a passer.



See, by using this pejorative way to refer to Tebow, you've outed yourself as someone who claims to not like Tebow the football player, but you've let your mask down and shown that really it has nothing to do with football, you dislike him for personal reasons, otherwise no reason whatsoever to refer to someone with his reputation in this way.

Well Done!

[Backup QB]

Originally Posted by JFjets

You know how many 300+ yard games Tom Brady had in his first full season of starts in 2001? One. And you know what, guys who can't throw the football don't generally have even that many 300+ yard games. Tom Brady had 413 passing attempts in his first full season of starts with the Patriots, and he had One game where he threw for 300+ yards. One. Tebow had twice that many 300+ yard games in his first full season of starts, but with 60 less pass attempts. Does this tell us that Tim Tebow is as good as Tom Brady? No. Does this tell us that Tim Tebow can't throw the football? No. Does this tell us that Tim Tebow can throw the football? Yes.

Andrew Luck had a 44% completion rate in the victory against the Lions last week. Does that negate all the yards he threw for? Does it negate the 4 TD's he threw?



Well of course you don't because it doesn't fit your meme about Tebow having remedial passing skills. Problem is, his history as a passer blows that meme to itty bitty pieces. But you know what, QB's are judged by what they did in college when they are getting ready to enter the NFL.



I think you'd be in a pretty untenable position to argue this point since Tebow led his team to the division title and a play-off win against the #1 defense in the NFL, and had one of if not the best passing performance against said #1 defense that any NFL QB had all last season if not longer. Sorry, that's not a fluke, and it just goes to further prove the absurdity of your and all the other hater claims that he has no talent as a passer.



See, by using this pejorative way to refer to Tebow, you've outed yourself as someone who claims to not like Tebow the football player, but you've let your mask down and shown that really it has nothing to do with football, you dislike him for personal reasons, otherwise no reason whatsoever to refer to someone with his reputation in this way.

[_Jet_]

Originally Posted by JFjets

You know how many 300+ yard games Tom Brady had in his first full season of starts in 2001? One. And you know what, guys who can't throw the football don't generally have even that many 300+ yard games. Tom Brady had 413 passing attempts in his first full season of starts with the Patriots, and he had One game where he threw for 300+ yards. One. Tebow had twice that many 300+ yard games in his first full season of starts, but with 60 less pass attempts. Does this tell us that Tim Tebow is as good as Tom Brady? No. Does this tell us that Tim Tebow can't throw the football? No. Does this tell us that Tim Tebow can throw the football? Yes.

Andrew Luck had a 44% completion rate in the victory against the Lions last week. Does that negate all the yards he threw for? Does it negate the 4 TD's he threw?



Well of course you don't because it doesn't fit your meme about Tebow having remedial passing skills. Problem is, his history as a passer blows that meme to itty bitty pieces. But you know what, QB's are judged by what they did in college when they are getting ready to enter the NFL.



I think you'd be in a pretty untenable position to argue this point since Tebow led his team to the division title and a play-off win against the #1 defense in the NFL, and had one of if not the best passing performance against said #1 defense that any NFL QB had all last season if not longer. Sorry, that's not a fluke, and it just goes to further prove the absurdity of your and all the other hater claims that he has no talent as a passer.



See, by using this pejorative way to refer to Tebow, you've outed yourself as someone who claims to not like Tebow the football player, but you've let your mask down and shown that really it has nothing to do with football, you dislike him for personal reasons, otherwise no reason whatsoever to refer to someone with his reputation in this way.

[Jetsetter34]

Originally Posted by JFjets

You know how many 300+ yard games Tom Brady had in his first full season of starts in 2001? One. And you know what, guys who can't throw the football don't generally have even that many 300+ yard games. Tom Brady had 413 passing attempts in his first full season of starts with the Patriots, and he had One game where he threw for 300+ yards. One. Tebow had twice that many 300+ yard games in his first full season of starts, but with 60 less pass attempts. Does this tell us that Tim Tebow is as good as Tom Brady? No. Does this tell us that Tim Tebow can't throw the football? No. Does this tell us that Tim Tebow can throw the football? Yes.

Andrew Luck had a 44% completion rate in the victory against the Lions last week. Does that negate all the yards he threw for? Does it negate the 4 TD's he threw?



Well of course you don't because it doesn't fit your meme about Tebow having remedial passing skills. Problem is, his history as a passer blows that meme to itty bitty pieces. But you know what, QB's are judged by what they did in college when they are getting ready to enter the NFL.



I think you'd be in a pretty untenable position to argue this point since Tebow led his team to the division title and a play-off win against the #1 defense in the NFL, and had one of if not the best passing performance against said #1 defense that any NFL QB had all last season if not longer. Sorry, that's not a fluke, and it just goes to further prove the absurdity of your and all the other hater claims that he has no talent as a passer.



See, by using this pejorative way to refer to Tebow, you've outed yourself as someone who claims to not like Tebow the football player, but you've let your mask down and shown that really it has nothing to do with football, you dislike him for personal reasons, otherwise no reason whatsoever to refer to someone with his reputation in this way.

I have an argument: If Tebow was so great why did he suck against some of the worst defenses in the league? How were those yards against the chiefs? The Bills? See for every 300 yard game Tebow had in his starts he had 3x as many 100 - 199 yard games. so which is the anomoly? the abberation? the good game or the bad game...you know the ones he had in 12 out of his 16 starts?

[BeastBeach]

People need to stop comparing Tebow's stats to people like Elway and Brady.

The game has changed greatly since they started out. There is a reason seemingly every QB drafted comes out and has immediate success.

There is a reason that Brees and Brady both broke the single season passing record in the same year when it had stood for 20 odd years.

There is a reason that last year the Pats had a "historically" bad pass defense and this year the Skins and Saints are both on pace to have "the worst pass d in history".

[JFjets]

Originally Posted by BeastBeach

People need to stop comparing Tebow's stats to people like Elway and Brady.

The game has changed greatly since they started out. There is a reason seemingly every QB drafted comes out and has immediate success.

There is a reason that Brees and Brady both broke the single season passing record in the same year when it had stood for 20 odd years.

There is a reason that last year the Pats had a "historically" bad pass defense and this year the Skins and Saints are both on pace to have "the worst pass d in history".

Nonsense. All kinds of current QB's are compared to other QB's, from Tom Brady to John Elway. Only in your Tebow hating world is Tebow the only one that is not allowed to be compared, unless the comparison is a bad one for Tebow, in which case you'll promote that comparison to the skies.

[BeastBeach]

Originally Posted by JFjets

Nonsense. All kinds of current QB's are compared to other QB's, from Tom Brady to John Elway. Only in your Tebow hating world is Tebow the only one that is not allowed to be compared, unless the comparison is a bad one for Tebow, in which case you'll promote that comparison to the skies.

Lol I'm glad you know so much about me but I certainly do have a problem with current QBs being compared to past ones statistically.

I guess you missed the part where I implied that Brees and Brady passing Marino was basically meaningless.

Do a better job of reading next time.

[amagiusx]

Originally Posted by JFjets

You know how many 300+ yard games Tom Brady had in his first full season of starts in 2001? One. And you know what, guys who can't throw the football don't generally have even that many 300+ yard games. Tom Brady had 413 passing attempts in his first full season of starts with the Patriots, and he had One game where he threw for 300+ yards. One. Tebow had twice that many 300+ yard games in his first full season of starts, but with 60 less pass attempts. Does this tell us that Tim Tebow is as good as Tom Brady? No. Does this tell us that Tim Tebow can't throw the football? No. Does this tell us that Tim Tebow can throw the football? Yes.

Andrew Luck had a 44% completion rate in the victory against the Lions last week. Does that negate all the yards he threw for? Does it negate the 4 TD's he threw?



Well of course you don't because it doesn't fit your meme about Tebow having remedial passing skills. Problem is, his history as a passer blows that meme to itty bitty pieces. But you know what, QB's are judged by what they did in college when they are getting ready to enter the NFL.



I think you'd be in a pretty untenable position to argue this point since Tebow led his team to the division title and a play-off win against the #1 defense in the NFL, and had one of if not the best passing performance against said #1 defense that any NFL QB had all last season if not longer. Sorry, that's not a fluke, and it just goes to further prove the absurdity of your and all the other hater claims that he has no talent as a passer.



See, by using this pejorative way to refer to Tebow, you've outed yourself as someone who claims to not like Tebow the football player, but you've let your mask down and shown that really it has nothing to do with football, you dislike him for personal reasons, otherwise no reason whatsoever to refer to someone with his reputation in this way.

One of the biggest dominations I've ever witnessed on any forum.

[danangmarine68]

Originally Posted by BeastBeach

People need to stop comparing Tebow's stats to people like Elway and Brady.

The game has changed greatly since they started out. There is a reason seemingly every QB drafted comes out and has immediate success.

There is a reason that Brees and Brady both broke the single season passing record in the same year when it had stood for 20 odd years.

There is a reason that last year the Pats had a "historically" bad pass defense and this year the Skins and Saints are both on pace to have "the worst pass d in history".

You have posted the "Where" and the "What" but I am still waiting for the "WHY" and the "HOW". Please expound upon the WHY and HOW portion of this post. Why has the game changed and how? Facts man, give me the facts, and nothing but the facts.

[BeastBeach]

Originally Posted by danangmarine68

You have posted the "Where" and the "What" but I am still waiting for the "WHY" and the "HOW". Please expound upon the WHY and HOW portion of this post. Why has the game changed and how? Facts man, give me the facts, and nothing but the facts.

Why the game has changed doesn't really matter

How the game has changed? Well since I am a nice guy and you are too lazy to look it up yourself here is what I found to help explain it to you with a quick google search.

To view links in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.

To view links in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. Your post count is 0 momentarily.

Anyways I never figured somebody would ask me to explain how because it is obvious which is why I didn't feel the need to spoonfeed it to anyone. But I forgot what subforum I was in...

[Concerned_Citizen]

Originally Posted by JFjets

Nonsense. All kinds of current QB's are compared to other QB's, from Tom Brady to John Elway. Only in your Tebow hating world is Tebow the only one that is not allowed to be compared, unless the comparison is a bad one for Tebow, in which case you'll promote that comparison to the skies.

Why did these guys get the benefit of the doubt while the Tebow doesn't? It seems a lot of QBs a team invested heavily in get that benefit of the doubt and are given 3 years or so.

Yes the Broncos invested quite a bit. Mchoodie the imploder traded 3 picks to get back into the first round to draft him.

I'm guessing Brady and Elway showed enough improvment and showed them they had what it took to succeed in this league.

Tebow showed them a bunch of dirt missiles, inability to read defenses, and massive suckage hidden behind a nice smile and great charisma.

This is why he's going to be out of the league in a couple years while the others that struggled early in their careers while the others are or were heading straight to the hall of fame.

Hilarious that his early struggles are being compared to the early struggles of these guys. Personally, I think he's NOT a Steve Young, John Elway, or Tom Brady going through his struggles. I think he's more of a Bradlee Van Pelt. Ask any fan from Colorado who THAT guy was. Never heard of him? Exactly. Same thing Tebow would have been had he not been such a celebrity when the joined the ranks of the NFL.

[JFjets]

Originally Posted by Concerned_Citizen

Why did these guys get the benefit of the doubt while the Tebow doesn't? It seems a lot of QBs a team invested heavily in get that benefit of the doubt and are given 3 years or so.

Yes the Broncos invested quite a bit. Mchoodie the imploder traded 3 picks to get back into the first round to draft him.

I'm guessing Brady and Elway showed enough improvment and showed them they had what it took to succeed in this league.

Tebow showed them a bunch of dirt missiles, inability to read defenses, and massive suckage hidden behind a nice smile and great charisma.

This is why he's going to be out of the league in a couple years while the others that struggled early in their careers while the others are or were heading straight to the hall of fame.

Hilarious that his early struggles are being compared to the early struggles of these guys. Personally, I think he's NOT a Steve Young, John Elway, or Tom Brady going through his struggles. I think he's more of a Bradlee Van Pelt. Ask any fan from Colorado who THAT guy was. Never heard of him? Exactly. Same thing Tebow would have been had he not been such a celebrity when the joined the ranks of the NFL.

Hilarious only if you're an idiot. No one knew when Young or Brady or Elway were young NFL QB's and struggling that they would turn out to be Hall of Famers. No one knows what Tebow will turn out to be in the NFL, either, despite what you'd like to think. So answer the question: why can the struggles of any young QB not be compared to any other young QB, past or present? I know it will be hard for you, but try to limit your answer to one that is logical and draws on facts, not opinions.

[Concerned_Citizen]

Originally Posted by JFjets

Hilarious only if you're an idiot. No one knew when Young or Brady or Elway were young NFL QB's and struggling that they would turn out to be Hall of Famers. No one knows what Tebow will turn out to be in the NFL, either, despite what you'd like to think. So answer the question: why can the struggles of any young QB not be compared to any other young QB, past or present? I know it will be hard for you, but try to limit your answer to one that is logical and draws on facts, not opinions.

really not a hard concept to understand. try to keep up....

playing the odds.... For every Steve Young story of a guy who defied the odds, really had a hard time early in his career, and then took off heading for the Hall of Fame....

...there are several dozen other players for each one of those that few of us heard of, or came into this league with high hopes and turned to shit. For EACH one of the guys you mention.

There's what... maybe a 5% chance any given individual becomes a really good QB in this league?

I believe Tebow is in the second camp. He got more time than most do and I nore many did not come away with the impression he'd improve on his shortcomings any time soon, if at all. It appears most of the league is in agreement. We'll see if anyone comes beating down the door for the Jets in order to bring Tebag.. .err... tebust to their team. All that added publicity that seems to follow with him MIGHT make someone want him for marketing reasons.

But if I were you, I think I'd give up on that idea that he's going to be some great story to tell your grandkids about defying the odds in a success story. His window is closing. He'll likely be done in a couple, maybe three years.

This flavor of the month really should have expired a year ago.

[Backup QB]

Originally Posted by Concerned_Citizen

I believe Tebow is in the second camp.

That is the whole point. If most people thought that Steve Young or Tom Brady were going to be HOFers, this would be a non-issue. But... people are wrong. There is a possibility that you will be wrong, though it is a pretty safe assumption that you will end up being right. Most QBs who start for many years do not make the HOF. This is not a knock on Tebow.