[davecrazy]

Originally Posted by LeonNYJ

Jets have gotten screwed by the refs over and over again year after year. Other teams should just man up and deal with it.

Remember that one time the refs totally jobbed us and cost us a playoff spot that led to the coach losing his job?



Oh wait, that happened to Seattle.

[Cellar-door]

Originally Posted by Bellows1

I think you guys have it wrong. Watch it again, the first person to have two hands on the ball and two feet on the ground was Golden Tate. Possession does not occur until the player comes down in bounds with the ball under control. Tate was the first, tie goes to the passer.

That isn't how the rule works. If a player has the ball as jennings did, in both hands and never loses control it is his catch, doesn't matter who hits the ground first.
Though it is also worth noting that when they hit the ground Jennings has it in both hands against his chest and tate has only 1 hand on the ball.

Side note: how funny is it that WISCONSIN gets screwed by subpar non-union labor?

[northernjet]

Originally Posted by J.E.T.S

Wow. It almost gives me a sick feeling knowing that a game can be in the hands of the referees rather than the two teams in a game greenbay was robbed of a win. It's crazy that a replay can be looked at for several minutes and still be made wrong.... ??? What's the purpose of the dang replay then !!!???

I would like to see the stats for the number of challenged plays so far this season and the number of times the ruling on the field stands vs changed. Seems to me that short of a challenge on a bad spot they just keep the ruling on the field almost every time. Which makes sense if the ruling on the field is correct but as we have all seen that is not always the case.

I get that the refs are not perfect and that they make mistakes or judgement calls that are wrong but it seemed to me like the actual NFL calibre refs were willing to admit they made mistakes and change the ruling on the field if the video showed it was wrong. Seems to me that these refs either are afraid to change the ruling on the field, lack confidence, want to discourage challenges or just don't know how to properly use video replay.

[Bellows1]

Originally Posted by Cellar-door

That isn't how the rule works. If a player has the ball as jennings did, in both hands and never loses control it is his catch, doesn't matter who hits the ground first.
Though it is also worth noting that when they hit the ground Jennings has it in both hands against his chest and tate has only 1 hand on the ball.

Side note: how funny is it that WISCONSIN gets screwed by subpar non-union labor?

First let me say I couldn't care either way. Just pointing out what the officials might have considered.
That part of the rule is blurry as it doesn't state what is considered a catch and when. Is a catch, possession and feet down? If that's the case Jennings didn't have feet down. Tate did have possession and both feet down first even though he was second to get both hands on the ball. I think simultaneous possession could be considered on that play the way it played out.

I don't know if I've ever seen a play like that before, it'll be interesting in how the league deals with it.

[JET'S_my_name]

Originally Posted by Zach

Seriously, though, it isn't his fault.

Refs fucked it up fair and square. That's where the blame should be as well.

Absolutely.

[Poeman]

I'll be first to admit, I thought Russell Wilson looked like a bonafide bust to me as a prospect...He has quite a zip on his arm and he is 5'10...My height...Gives us all a hope

[Poeman]

[CJLang]

Originally Posted by Poeman

Sort of funny. But this one is on the owners. They are the ones who set the parameters of what they'll accept in a deal.

[Barry the Baptist]

Originally Posted by NYJFan10

The Packers won 9-0. We didn't lose scores on those INT's. That wasn't REMOTELY the same thing as this, especially in the context of what's going on with the refs.

Both "ints" happened in Packer territory. The Cotchery play happened in FG range and we were driving. They scored 2 FG's on both of those plays. It's logical to think if those calls don't happen we score. On the Keller play he was clearly down and Woodson had no play on the ball until he was down. Awful calls that cost the Jets a win.

[Antoni]

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[dreamsfloatjoe]

NFL Replacement Ref: "Okay, here's the thing people: technically speaking, I'm legally blind. Not MY fault. #mnf"

--- changing channels ---

Have been unable to look at footballzebras web site all day

[Antoni]

Originally Posted by Poeman

Haven't watched pro wrestling in the longest time but last night definitely had that WWE feeling. Like when one guy is winning "the fight" the whole time and and has his opponent pinned on a 2 count which is about to hit 3, then out of no where appears some guy with a steel chair and knocks the dude out and the announcers are all like WTF. That was last night.

[Passepartout]

Get the replacement refs out of there and settle the score with the regular ones.

[Barcs]

I've always thought that video replay reviews should be conducted by a group of specialists and video experts in the booth. There's no reason the on field refs should have to deal with that. It wastes tons of time, and if you have people in the booth reviewing every play, it will make the game much quicker. I can understand when you have to make a tough judgement call in a fast game, but there's no excuse for blowing so many video reviews, some of which were pretty obvious.

I don't know about everyone else, but I want the refs to be full time, and to be absolute experts when it comes to football. The old refs were crap, the replacements are worse, there's no real question about that. Goodell needs to fix this situation. Make them full time (whether its the replacements or not) and make the rest of the hours of with specialized classes and review of calls thus far. Invest in training the referees so they stop making the NFL look stupid. Games should not be decided with blown replay calls. This is a multi billion dollar business. Stop being a penny pincher and fix the problem. Hold the refs accountable for mistakes and raise the standards of officiating already. Officiating has been plaguing the NFL for years. Fix it already! And get rid of the fines for people complaining about it. That's just terrible. If it's a problem it should be brought forward instead of swept under the rug, but we all now that's how Goodell operates.

[Chrebet86]

Have a decent number of refs that are full time and during the offseason their job is to train the more inexpierianced refs and get them ready for the upcoming season.

Practice at training camps and stuff.

Eventually the younger guys get better and take over the old guys spots.

Something like that.

[reverseapachemaster]

Originally Posted by Antoni

That is a huge MF.

[Hobbes3259]

Originally Posted by Barry the Baptist

Both "ints" happened in Packer territory. The Cotchery play happened in FG range and we were driving. They scored 2 FG's on both of those plays. It's logical to think if those calls don't happen we score. On the Keller play he was clearly down and Woodson had no play on the ball until he was down. Awful calls that cost the Jets a win.

And helped send the Packers

Walt Coleman (#65) of Little Rock Arkansas...NFL Official for 19 seasons
Sid Hartman - Minnesota Star Tribune:

"The national telecast of the Vikings-Packers game on Sunday night wasn't the right time for Walter Coleman and his crew to put on the worst exhibition of NFL officiating I have seen in my 42 years of covering the Vikings."

Kevin Siefert and Kent Youngblood - Minnesota Star Tribune:

"Fallout continued Wednesday from the wild conclusion to the Vikings' 26-22 loss Sunday in Green Bay. In a confidential memorandum, the NFL acknowledged its officiating crew made at least nine mistakes during the game -- including a pass interference call that negated a Vikings interception on the Packers' game-winning drive, according to a league source who saw the document...While all nine plays had an impact on the game, certainly the most crucial was the 28-yard penalty called on Chavous by referee Walt Coleman's crew."
San Francisco Chronicle Staff:

"Incomplete forward pass?* Shake the snow globe again.* We must have been seeing things. Certainly referee Walt Coleman was when he got in front of that replay monitor Saturday night in Foxboro.

Since when is an obvious attempt to tuck the ball part of a forward pass?* According to Rule 3, Section 21, Article 2 of the NFL rulebook, whenever the quarterback moves his arm forward to pass and the ball ends up coming out, it is a forward pass and not a fumble.

According to Mike Pereira, head of officiating for the NFL "Brady, at that point, was not trying to pass the ball, but it comes to his (left) hand. He never controlled it long enough to consider him a runner, nor does he try to bring it up again to pass." Thus, when Charles Woodson hit New England QB Tom Brady -- who was in full tuck mode, as everyone could see -- Brady's arm movement was merely the continuation of a forward pass because Brady somehow wasn't in possession of the ball he'd never let go of since the snap. We hope this little discussion has helped clear up any lingering confusion you may have had regarding this matter."

Rob Rossi - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Columnist:

"This week's No. 1 star: Walt Coleman

Who: Walt Coleman, NFL official

What: Overruled his own fumble call and allowed New England to keep possession on a drive that ended with a tying field goal that sent the other AFC divisional playoff game into overtime

When: Jan. 19

Where: Foxboro Stadium, Foxboro, Mass.[b]

Why: By reversing his original ruling -- that Patriots quarterback Tom Brady had fumbled the ball while being hit by Raiders cornerback Charles Woodson -- Coleman gave new life to New England. The Patriots took advantage and sent the game into overtime, where they won to advance to the AFC championship game Sunday against the Steelers at Heinz Field

How: Pretty simple stuff that nobody understands. In the final two minutes of any NFL game, all questionable plays that are eligible to be reviewed are automatically reviewed. Brady's apparent fumble came with the Patriots driving, but trailing the Raiders, 13-10, with less than two minutes left in regulation. Though no Patriots player argued that Brady's arm was in a throwing motion when Woodson hit him, the play was still subject to review despite Coleman's ruling that Brady had fumbled the ball (the Raiders had recovered). Upon reviewing the play, Coleman reversed his decision and ruled the play as an incomplete pass, and New England maintained possession.

The Skinny: According to an NFL rule nobody cared to know before this game, Brady was indeed still in throwing motion when he began to tuck the ball away. Stupid? Most definitely..."
Dr. Z - Sports Illustrated:
"Now we come to Buffalo-New England.* I was lucky enough to get coaching tapes of that one.* What they showed was that the worst call wasn't the interference in the end zone on the Hail Mary.
This is what happened:

The Patriots, with the ball on the Bills' 26 and time for one play, ran three wideouts down the left side.* The Bills defended it with five DBs.* The interesting thing was that unlike most Hail Marys, when everything is bunched into a big cluster, there was clear separation between all receivers and defenders.* That's what made any interference fairly easy to spot.

Irvin could have made the play on the ball but he froze.* Glenn went up for it, and Jones loosely grabbed him around the waist -- not a blatant grab, but there was contact. The ball hit Glenn in the chest, the flag came down.* If the contact had been made in the middle of a milling mob, with everyone bumping everyone else, then I'd agree that it was outrageous, but as I said, there was room for the official to get a clear look at the play.* A close call, but not an especially bad one.

The really bad call came on the play preceding that one.* The Patriots had fourth and nine on the Bills' 36.* Drew Bledsoe threw a sideline pass to Jefferson.* He went up for the ball, stretched and came down with it out-of-bounds.* The question was: Were his feet in at the moment of the catch? No, they weren't.* It appeared that Jefferson lifted his left foot just before the ball arrived. The right foot was clearly in the air.* Uh-uh, no catch.

The Bills have to get over that awful loss to New England, courtesy of Walt Coleman's officiating crew."

Dr. Z - Sports Illustrated:

"I'd be screaming bloody murder at this point if they would have lost the Eagles game on that phony decision that Todd Pinkston did not step out of bounds on his 45-yard catch.* Hey, Walt Coleman, three steps on the line isn't enough for you?* Better get your eyes checked, buddy."

Sportsgambling.about.com:

"I do not care what anybody says.* Walt Coleman is not qualified to work little league. Coleman blatantly and directly made up a pair of phantom calls to snatch victory from the Indianapolis Colts and hand it over to The San Francisco 49ers.* Incompetence is not even a valid excuse for the officiating in that game, as quite frankly, it bordered on criminal and I am surprised that there has not been an FBI investigation into that game. Further cause for Investigation, Coleman's crew did the same thing to Buffalo, granting New England a "miracle" come from behind victory, by giving The Pats a blatant out of bounds catch and then followed it up with a phantom pass interference on a Hail Mary.

Coleman's officiating is simply embarrassing to the league, disgusting to the fans and bordering on criminal in nature.
Associated Press:

"This week, coach Bill Cowher said the NFL acknowledged referee Walt Coleman should have granted Pittsburgh a touchdown after reviewing a play in a 23-20 loss to Tennessee.
"It should have been a touchdown," Cowher said Tuesday. "That's great to know."

On the final play of the third quarter, Graham threw a 17-yard pass to Hines Ward, who was ruled down at the Tennessee 1-yard line.* Cowher challenged the call, and Coleman ruled the replay was inconclusive, costing the Steelers a timeout as well as the score.* The loss of the timeout came into play when, on the Steelers' final drive, Pittsburgh used its final timeout before Kris Brown missed a 50-yard field-goal attempt.* "We would have had another timeout at the end of the game," Cowher said. "There are a lot of things that could have taken place."

Cowher called the incident "water over the dam," but said the Steelers (0-3) have enough problems without them being compounded by officiating errors."

Ron Cook, Pittsburgh Post-
Here's what happened:

Brunell, trying to bring the Jaguars back from a 23-15 deficit, faced a second-and-10 at the Steelers' 42 with a little more than three minutes left.* Avoiding pressure, he rolled to his left and spotted McCardell behind Lee Flowers down the left sideline, but his underthrown pass allowed Flowers to catch up to McCardell.* There clearly was contact between the two before the ball arrived.* Flowers never looked for the ball, which bounced off his helmet as McCardell tried to catch it at the Steelers' 1.

Dave Goldberg, AP Writer:

"This was one of those weeks when the officials got noticed, not a good thing from the league standpoint.**

The biggest brouhaha was in San Francisco, where there were questions about calls that nullified two end zone interceptions by the Colts and allowed a touchdown by San Francisco.* Indianapolis coach Jim Mora said there was even an argument between referee Walt Coleman and another official on one of the penalties, a holding call against the Colts.* "After the official that worked our side argued (with Coleman) that it wasn't defensive holding, he came back to me and said it was offensive holding, if anything," Indianapolis coach Jim Mora said. "It was a horrible, horrible job by the officials.

Later, on the 49ers' final drive, there was a pass interference call that gave San Francisco 27 yards on its final job, setting up Wade Richey's chip-shot field goal to win it.
Peter King, Sports Illustrated:

"Colts 31, 49ers 20 We've corrected the score because referee Walt Coleman's crew robbed Indianapolis blind at 3Com Park on Sunday and handed San Francisco a 34-31 gift. Peyton Manning really beat the Niners with a fearless, three-touchdown, no-interception day."

[rmagedon]

Originally Posted by Antoni

Jesus.



Seth Rogan's really let himself go.