[CowboysFan]

Originally Posted by phaytal

I actually feel bad for Cutler.

When he was traded from Denver by McDaniels, he was coming off of a 4,500 yard Pro Bowl year. The Bears sold the farm to land him, put exactly zero protection around him, and he has been decimated in the pocket ever since. Not only has he been the most sacked quarterback the last few years, he takes unbelievably huge hits on almost every passing play.

He used to be this overly confident, almost cocky, force in the pocket, with a fearless cannon for an arm. Now he is completely gun-shy because he knows he is going to get annihilated on every 5 or 7 step drop.

The Bears ruined him. It's particularly painful for Denver fans because we loved Jay, and despised McDaniels for trading him for non other than Kyle fucking Orton, and subsequently Tim Tebow, who were both colossal disappointments.

I still do not get how Tebow would be considered a "colossal " disappointment for Denver fans (he ended with a winning starting record , 9-7 and a playoff win as a starter , the first in years, and had a super exciting run).

If Orton stays in last year and Denver goes 4-12 (AGAIN) do you really think Manning goes to Denver?

Saying Tebow was a colossal disappointment shows it is personal with you and not based on football at all.

and spare me "he was a #1 pick" nonsense...answer this before saying that:

If Orton stays in last year and Denver goes 4-12 (AGAIN) do you really think Manning goes to Denver? Tebow helped save the season, he was one of 3 reasons Denver turned it around.

[catsigater]

Originally Posted by phaytal

Any quarterback in the league would be inefficient if 250-300 pound men were laying them out on just about every passing play.

Originally Posted by phaytal

He used to be this overly confident, almost cocky, force in the pocket, with a fearless cannon for an arm. Now he is completely gun-shy because he knows he is going to get annihilated on every 5 or 7 step drop.

The Bears ruined him.

The Cutler excuse-making never stops.

[Zach]

Originally Posted by phaytal

Any quarterback in the league would be inefficient if 250-300 pound men were laying them out on just about every passing play.

But Sanchez sucks. (Tell that to Jets fans.)

[Demosthenes9]

Woodson smacking Cutler some more:


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Charles Woodson: We don’t need luck, Jay will throw us the ball


Chicago Bears quarterback Cutler talks with Green Bay Packers cornerback Woodson late in the second half during their NFL football game in Green Bay, Wisconsin Reuters

Bears quarterback Jay Cutler’s decision to wish the Packers secondary good luck came back to bite him and his team on the rear end Thursday night.

Cutler had an awful night, completing just 11 of his 27 passes while getting intercepted four times and sacked seven times by a Packers defense that showed a lot more bite than they did in the season opener. Cutler got caught on camera yelling at offensive tackle J’Marcus Webb, a flashback to past seasons when protection breakdowns led to offensive breakdowns that sank the Bears’ hopes.

Things were supposed to be different this season, which led to Cutler’s comments to the Packers defensive backs. The Pack got their revenge on the field and then safety Charles Woodson, who had one of the picks, made sure that Cutler knew that Green Bay didn’t think things had changed even a little bit.

“Heard some talk out of the Bears: Packers secondary not working coverage, bigger receivers … we heard about it,” Woodson told Rachel Nichols of ESPN. “We understand that Jay is excited about his new weapons, but it’s the same-old Jay. We don’t need luck; Jay will throw us the ball.”

That, my friends, qualifies as a burn. Probably third degree.

Cutler and Woodson had words after a play in the second half, Cutler seemed to take exception to Woodson trying to tackle him low, and had to be separated on the field. The two teams will meet again in Week 15 and Woodson might be the one wishing him luck that time around.

[Mambo9]

Originally Posted by Barcs

More importantly, what would they being saying about Sanchez if he threw 4 picks and got sacked like 7 times.

Those drops killed me last night though. I had Jordy Nelson, Aaron Rodger and Brandon Marshall on my fantasy team. The Packers kicker got more points than all of them!!

I had Cutler... -.-"

[ItsTime]

If Cutler were Tebow then he never would have banged Kristen Cavigliari.

[Bill Belichdouche]

Originally Posted by CowboysFan

Tebow threw 6 ints in 13 games last year, cutler 4 in one game so how can he have looked "almost " as bad? You clearly meant "looked worse (in this one game)"

he was busting balls

[NYJFan10]

If Cutler had Tebow's accuracy he'd be Ryan Leaf.

[LongTimeJetsFan]

Originally Posted by CowboysFan

Tebow threw 6 ints in 13 games last year, cutler 4 in one game so how can he have looked "almost " as bad? You clearly meant "looked worse (in this one game)"

No, I meant almost as bad.

[BroncosFan1345]

Originally Posted by CowboysFan

Tebow threw 6 ints in 13 games last year, cutler 4 in one game so how can he have looked "almost " as bad? You clearly meant "looked worse (in this one game)"

Except Cutler passed more as did basically every QB.

Not to mention Tebow's fumbles.

[BroncosFan1345]

Originally Posted by CowboysFan

If Orton stays in last year and Denver goes 4-12 (AGAIN) do you really think Manning goes to Denver?

Saying Tebow was a colossal disappointment shows it is personal with you and not based on football at all.

and spare me "he was a #1 pick" nonsense...answer this before saying that:

If Orton stays in last year and Denver goes 4-12 (AGAIN) do you really think Manning goes to Denver? Tebow helped save the season, he was one of 3 reasons Denver turned it around.

No, they don't.

Our defense was hurt early on with Orton, and lost 2 of the first 3 games by 3 points. Were missing Champ, Doom, DJ, Thomas, and Miller hadn't emerged.

Not saying we go 7-4 or whatever it was, but i don't think we would of gone 4-12 if Orton stayed starter. Not if the defense played like that. In before you say the defense played well b/c of Tebow which is a bunch of bullshit.

[CowboysFan]

Originally Posted by BroncosFan1345

No, they don't.

Our defense was hurt early on with Orton, and lost 2 of the first 3 games by 3 points. Were missing Champ, Doom, DJ, Thomas, and Miller hadn't emerged.

Not saying we go 7-4 or whatever it was, but i don't think we would of gone 4-12 if Orton stayed starter. Not if the defense played like that. In before you say the defense played well b/c of Tebow which is a bunch of bullshit.

Tebow was not the only reason the Broncos completely turned around that abysmal record and ended 8-5 with a GREAT playoff win , obviously special teams and defense were a huge part.

BUT without Tebow the Broncos do not go 8-5 and into the playoffs , as Tebow is one of the 3 pieces that were neccessary to get that accomplished (Quinn and Orton would not have had that success running the same offense) defense and special teams being the other two . This can not be argued and is fact.

Therefore Tebow deserves as much credit for the turn around as the defense and the kicking game and if not as much quite a bit (he was one of the 3 pieces) .

I love your "hadn't emerge argument"

when Champ and Doom BOTH SAID Tebow was one of the main reasons the defense started playing better as he helped the team gel.

Argue it with Champ and Doom not me. You are grasping at straws man, its sad really, all you have to say is "Tebow helped energize us" and you can let go of all the hate ...and move on

[displacedfan]

Originally Posted by CowboysFan

Tebow was not the only reason the Broncos completely turned around that abysmal record and ended 8-5 with a GREAT playoff win

They ended on a loss. Only on team can end the NFL season on a playoff win.

[CowboysFan]

Originally Posted by displacedfan

They ended on a loss. Only on team can end the NFL season on a playoff win.

They had not won a playoff game in years, from 7-24 (worst record in the entire nfl during that 2 year span) to a playoff win was really unexpected and great.

[Jetsetter34]

Originally Posted by CowboysFan

Tebow was not the only reason the Broncos completely turned around that abysmal record and ended 8-5 with a GREAT playoff win , obviously special teams and defense were a huge part.

BUT without Tebow the Broncos do not go 8-5 and into the playoffs , as Tebow is one of the 3 pieces that were neccessary to get that accomplished (Quinn and Orton would not have had that success running the same offense) defense and special teams being the other two . This can not be argued and is fact.

Therefore Tebow deserves as much credit for the turn around as the defense and the kicking game and if not as much quite a bit (he was one of the 3 pieces) .

I love your "hadn't emerge argument"


when Champ and Doom BOTH SAID Tebow was one of the main reasons the defense started playing better as he helped the team gel.

Argue it with Champ and Doom not me. You are grasping at straws man, its sad really, all you have to say is "Tebow helped energize us" and you can let go of all the hate ...and move on

You cant prove that is the case. It hurts your argument to talk in absolutes when you can or will never know what would have happened. The broncos could have won more, the same or less. But orton didn't play so we will never know.

[BroncosFan1345]

Originally Posted by CowboysFan

Tebow was not the only reason the Broncos completely turned around that abysmal record and ended 8-5 with a GREAT playoff win , obviously special teams and defense were a huge part.

BUT without Tebow the Broncos do not go 8-5 and into the playoffs , as Tebow is one of the 3 pieces that were neccessary to get that accomplished (Quinn and Orton would not have had that success running the same offense) defense and special teams being the other two . This can not be argued and is fact.

Therefore Tebow deserves as much credit for the turn around as the defense and the kicking game and if not as much quite a bit (he was one of the 3 pieces) .

I love your "hadn't emerge argument"

when Champ and Doom BOTH SAID Tebow was one of the main reasons the defense started playing better as he helped the team gel.

Argue it with Champ and Doom not me. You are grasping at straws man, its sad really, all you have to say is "Tebow helped energize us" and you can let go of all the hate ...and move on

Did Miller emerge with Orton?

No, he did not.

And you don't know what happens with Orton, i don't, we'll never know.

I never said Tebow didn't help, but he wasn't THE reason like you Tebow fans claim it was.