[Big Blocker]

Originally Posted by Biggs

Your right the guy sitting at the podium jerking off the owner had no imput on players.

Yes. Beware of binary thinking, as usual.

Just because Tanny had much to do with the roster moves does not mean Ryan had nothing to do with them. It was not an either or choice. Both were involved.

[Br4dw4y5ux]

Originally Posted by Biggs

Mangini would have survived Gholston. If he didn't fire Mangini we never make the trade for Sanchez.

So you're saying the Jets play Kellen Clemens in 2009?

Really?

Where is the evidence that Mangini could have found the QB he needed to survive? He couldn't do it in Cleveland with high draft picks.

Nobody but Rex Ryan was going to take the Jets on the wild ride in 2009 and 2010. Without him and the defense the whole regime is gone after the 2010 season at the latest.

[Biggs]

Originally Posted by Br4dw4y5ux

So you're saying the Jets play Kellen Clemens in 2009?

Really?

Where is the evidence that Mangini could have found the QB he needed to survive? He couldn't do it in Cleveland with high draft picks.

Nobody but Rex Ryan was going to take the Jets on the wild ride in 2009 and 2010. Without him and the defense the whole regime is gone after the 2010 season at the latest.

The Jets may well have started a veteran QB in 09 and 10. In 08 up until Favre got hurt the Jets had arguably the best overall team in the NFL.

You don't think Mangini could have signed Bart Scott for 11.5 Million along with Liddo Sheppard and Jim Leonard?

[Br4dw4y5ux]

Originally Posted by Biggs

The Jets may well have started a veteran QB in 09 and 10. In 08 up until Favre got hurt the Jets had arguably the best overall team in the NFL.

You don't think Mangini could have signed Bart Scott for 11.5 Million along with Liddo Sheppard and Jim Leonard?

I don't think Mangini would have signed any of the above. On Sheppard in particular, Rex is the guy with the CB fetish. Kris Jenkins would still likely have gotten hurt in 2009, he was a time-bomb ticking on the Jets from the day he was signed.

What veteran QB do you think the Jets would have signed in 2009? The only vet who changed teams and started that year was Favre.

[Barcs]

Originally Posted by Big Blocker

Barcs,

He called AS angry and spiteful because he called people who disagree with him idiots without saying anything other than that everything is really great.

Did you say last off season that the Sparano hire should be questioned because they made that move too quickly? You would have been right to do so. But changing between "I am glad they moved in and got the guy they wante before someone else did!" and "They didn't hire the guys they had at the top of their list because they want to take their time!" sounds silly.

He's dead on accurate, though. He used the word idiotic, because the position the negative people take is absurd. The point is, the same people who bitched about the Sparano hiring being too quick are the same people bitching about the GM search taking too long and sensationalizing everything about it. That's pure hypocrisy. You can't have it both ways. Some people will just always go against what the Jets do, no matter what. It's like the opposite of wearing green tinted glasses.

Some people here just take the shit too personally and act like the Jets are in their house, stealing their food from their children's plates and banging their wives, when in reality it's just a competitive game that's a form of entertainment. When it gets to the point that everything sucks, and your life is so stressful because of it, it's time to find a new hobby.

[Biggs]

Originally Posted by Barcs

The point is, the same people who bitched about the Sparano hiring being too quick are the same people bitching about the GM search taking too long and sensationalizing everything about it. That's pure hypocrisy. You can't have it both ways. Some people will just always go against what the Jets do, no matter what. It's like the opposite of wearing green tinted glasses.

My guess is on Sparano most of us won't have cared if it took 10 minutes or 10 years.

[stinkyB]

Originally Posted by Biggs

Mangini would have survived Gholston. If he didn't fire Mangini we never make the trade for Sanchez.

The drafting of Sanchez didn't get MT fired..... but the ridiculousness of his contract extension probably did.

[Big Blocker]

Originally Posted by Barcs

He's dead on accurate, though. He used the word idiotic, because the position the negative people take is absurd. The point is, the same people who bitched about the Sparano hiring being too quick are the same people bitching about the GM search taking too long and sensationalizing everything about it. That's pure hypocrisy. You can't have it both ways. Some people will just always go against what the Jets do, no matter what. It's like the opposite of wearing green tinted glasses.

Some people here just take the shit too personally and act like the Jets are in their house, stealing their food from their children's plates and banging their wives, when in reality it's just a competitive game that's a form of entertainment. When it gets to the point that everything sucks, and your life is so stressful because of it, it's time to find a new hobby.

Regarding Sparano, the homers were all for his hiring despite it taking no time at all. So that shoe fits for the homers here, too. Now they say "we've got all the time in the world to hire a new GM, and I sure am glad they are using it!"

Pure hypocrisy.

It is not idiotic to draw a reasonable inference that the GM search appears to be poorly run at this point. The main point in supporting such a reasonable inference is that the Jets have not been well run for the last couple of years at least. No one, not even a homer who also wants to maintain the least bit of cred, can argue otherwise, because the facts show the Jets have gone from 11-5 to 6-10 in two years. Add in that it is unreasonable to blame Tanny for the whole mess, and that Woody and Rex are still on the scene, and that reasonable inference seems entirely to be so, certainly as compared to a rose colored glasses wearing exercise in pom pom waving.

As far as how the whole experience fits in the relative lives of disappointed skeptics as compared to unreasonable and credulous homers, that is a fit subject for a different discussion.

[KurtTheJetsFan]

Originally Posted by Big Blocker

Regarding Sparano, the homers were all for his hiring despite it taking no time at all. So that shoe fits for the homers here, too. Now they say "we've got all the time in the world to hire a new GM, and I sure am glad they are using it!"

Pure hypocrisy.

It is not idiotic to draw a reasonable inference that the GM search appears to be poorly run at this point. The main point in supporting such a reasonable inference is that the Jets have not been well run for the last couple of years at least. No one, not even a homer who also wants to maintain the least bit of cred, can argue otherwise, because the facts show the Jets have gone from 11-5 to 6-10 in two years. Add in that it is unreasonable to blame Tanny for the whole mess, and that Woody and Rex are still on the scene, and that reasonable inference seems entirely to be so, certainly as compared to a rose colored glass wearing exercise in pom pom waving.

So in other words..you are just assuming that things are being ran poorly based on the team's overall performance over the last 2 seasons?

[slimjasi]

Originally Posted by Big Blocker

Regarding Sparano, the homers were all for his hiring despite it taking no time at all. So that shoe fits for the homers here, too. Now they say "we've got all the time in the world to hire a new GM, and I sure am glad they are using it!"

Pure hypocrisy.

It is not idiotic to draw a reasonable inference that the GM search appears to be poorly run at this point. The main point in supporting such a reasonable inference is that the Jets have not been well run for the last couple of years at least. No one, not even a homer who also wants to maintain the least bit of cred, can argue otherwise, because the facts show the Jets have gone from 11-5 to 6-10 in two years. Add in that it is unreasonable to blame Tanny for the whole mess, and that Woody and Rex are still on the scene, and that reasonable inference seems entirely to be so, certainly as compared to a rose colored glass wearing exercise in pom pom waving.

Fair point, but the reality that the Jets have been poorly run for the past couple of years does not, in and of itself, justify the conclusion (which some here have made) that the Jets GM search is being poorly conducted. However, I do agree that a "reasonable inference" can be made to suggest just that.

In my opinion, the most logical, prudent, and fair-minded approach is to wait to see who they actually hire before I kill them for being incompetent buffoons. Harshly criticizing the Jets before they actually hire anyone just seems reactionary and impatient to me. After all, ultimately, the only relevant consideration is who they actually hire.

[Big Blocker]

Originally Posted by KurtTheJetsFan

So in other words..you are just assuming that things are being ran poorly based on the team's overall performance over the last 2 seasons?

Assuming is hardly the right term to describe the deductive process involved. I think it is a generally acknowledged truth in analyzing a correlation of performance to results that where the results are bad, that tends to show poor performance. That does not mean other factors are or may not be involved, but those must be identified and their impact judged as the sole reason for failure before poor performance by relevant actors can be, should be, ruled out.

[Br4dw4y5ux]

Originally Posted by slimjasi

In my opinion, the most logical, prudent, and fair-minded approach is to wait to see who they actually hire before I kill them for being incompetent buffoons. Harshly criticizing the Jets before they actually hire anyone just seems reactionary and impatient to me. After all, ultimately, the only relevant consideration is who they actually hire.

I think the only relevant consideration is how the people they hire actually perform.

There's no hire out there that's going to make all of the media get off the anti-Jets jag they've been on for the last year or so. Somebody, and maybe several somebodies, will criticize whatever choice the Jets make if for no reason other than to differentiate themselves from the pack and get hits.

I'm going to wait and see how things go for a solid two seasons. There's nothing that 2013 can really tell us about the new hires because of the overhanging issues. Things would have to be terrible after the Jets promised good for us to have any type of downside confirmation.

Along about October of 2014 is likely to be the first time we can objectively analyse the effect of the hires, unless the Jets really beat expectations next season.

[Barcs]

Originally Posted by Big Blocker

Regarding Sparano, the homers were all for his hiring despite it taking no time at all. So that shoe fits for the homers here, too. Now they say "we've got all the time in the world to hire a new GM, and I sure am glad they are using it!"

I don't remember the time being discussed all that much. People were talking about the pluses and minuses about the man himself, the hire and what he could bring to the team. Sparano impressed Rex and Rex thought he could really help turn Sanchez around. Obviously it was a mistake. You're right, the homers do it as well, but they aren't nearly as prevelant as the dark siders on here. There's maybe 1 or 2 homers for every 20 darksiders. I think we should do the same with the GM. Wait until they make a hire, THEN we can criticize them for doing it right or wrong. Right now, there's no reason to even guess about it.

[Biggs]

Originally Posted by Barcs

I don't remember the time being discussed all that much. People were talking about the pluses and minuses about the man himself, the hire and what he could bring to the team. I don't think anybody really cared about how fast it happened. Sparano impressed Rex and Rex thought he could really help turn Sanchez around. Obviously it was a mistake. You're right, the homers do it as well, but they aren't nearly as prevelant as the dark siders on here. There's maybe 1 or 2 homers for every 20 darksiders.

And??? Sparano impressed Rex and Rex sitting on a podium next to Woody talking pistol O. We got a plan.

[CBG]

Man I hope they prove me wrong and get this thing right

They need to hit a HR with this move ,,,if its Cohen it's like going down looking with 2 outs and bases loaded,,,,,just sayin

[ArmandJ]

Holy shit, where are all the sad faces coming from. Is ChampionJets Palpatine or something...?

[BleednGreen247]

wtf is taking so long