[Barcs]

Can't we just have an official "i'm butthurt that Rex is still the coach despite being on of the best we've had on this team" thread?

[Big Blocker]

Before I think it a good thing that Ryan is staying, two things. One is, is Rex still tied to Muck? If so, the Jets should fire his ass right away.

Second, I am not even sure what it really means to say he's staying. He's under contract, but he can still be fired if a new GM comes in and says he wants to get rid of Rex. In that scenario, I can't imagine Woody saying no, Rex has to stay.

[displacedfan]

Originally Posted by Big Blocker

Before I think it a good thing that Ryan is staying, two things. One is, is Rex still tied to Muck? If so, the Jets should fire his ass right away.

Second, I am not even sure what it really means to say he's staying. He's under contract, but he can still be fired if a new GM comes in and says he wants to get rid of Rex. In that scenario, I can't imagine Woody saying no, Rex has to stay.

To your second scenario, I think that's why Rex is still here for now. Maybe Woody sent out some feelers (as he did with potentially keeping Tanny in a different role which was turned down completely) and some potential candidates liek Rex and wanted him? It's a lot easier to fire REx when a GM comes in than to rehire Rex or settle for a different coach when a GM wanted Rex. Currently he could be asset in getting a GM as crazy as that sounds, but if he isn't, he could be easily fired

[Big Blocker]

Originally Posted by Barcs

Can't we just have an official "i'm butthurt that Rex is still the coach despite being on of the best we've had on this team" thread?

Rex looked good after taking a team that went 9-7 the year before he came to successive Champ Games. But that's history now. He's been proven dead wrong to support Sanchez as long as he did. Was he part of the contract extension and Tebow trade perfect storm? Even if he was not primarily responsible for those moves, from all indications he did not do anything to oppose them.

Another huge mistake we can lay right on Rex was his choice of Tony Sparano as OC. Huge error. All reports are that that choice was all on Rex.

Add in that several of his game prep decisions were inexplicable, and in game moves highly questionable.

I like Ryan. I bet he's a good guy and all that. But the team is in decline in the fourth year of his tenure, and i don't see anything going on that indicates he has any clue how to turn it around.

That being the case, I think it more likely than not that this retaining him is probably not the best move. I don't feel as strongly that he should be fired as I did about Tanny, and for that matter that Sanchez has to go. But I've lost confidence in Ryan.

[NYJetsRevis24]

Your giving GM's way to much power, There fuckin suits they don't step on the field, Look around the league at the more stable franchises Giants,Packers,Patriots,Steelers and so on, Who holds the power over there??? The head coach does you think Bill Belichek and Tom Coughlin asnwer to GM's?? The Texans kept Gary Kubiak after 5 losing seasons and the GM to and it's just starting to pay off now, People need to have patience they went out and hired the right guy at DC Wade Phillips and they have been a powerhouse ever since. Once we find the right OC we will be headed in the right direction fuck the GM

[JetBlue]

Originally Posted by DbaJets

Haha because quality GMs grow on trees. No, GOOD GMs aren't terribly common. Trust me, they will pass on a job that's a set up for failure. Rex was anything but a good coach last year.

I didn't say good GM's are terribly common, I said GM jobs are extremely uncommon. you have to become a GM first before you are a good GM. good candidates aren't going to pass up an opportunity because the opportunity may never come again. and if you truly are good at what you do and will become a good GM once you have a GM job (which inherently must come first), you will have the ability to succeed despite any potential roadblock.

way to fail to grasp an extremely simple concept.

[truthbtold]

Originally Posted by 44 and counting

Just for some historical perspective, within the past ten years, a high profile team was struggling with a young, inconsistent QB, a controversial coach who was not too popular and problematic veterans who may have reached the end of the line. Their long time GM resigned (some say was pushed out) and he was replaced by a relatively young unknown. The new GM chose to (was told to ?) keep the controversial coach.

Guess who that team was.

Hint: It was the 2007 NY Giants


Moral: No need to assume that a big time, big ego GM who picks his own coach is the only way to go and that every other choice is doomed to failure.

Great post. But it's only fair to point out that the Giants had an viable NFL caliber QB to move forward with and we have who we have.

I'm OK with keeping Rex for one more season.
I'm definitely a little soured on him, but I want to see him coach at least ONE season with a QB who can give us reasonable professional play at the position. I honestly think it's a mini miracle that he's been able to post an over .500 record with this disaster we have playing QB. Virtually impossible to do, but somehow he did it ... so I think that gives him at least a little more leash.

[Barcs]

Rex looked good after taking a team that went 9-7 the year before he came to successive Champ Games. But that's history now. He's been proven dead wrong to support Sanchez as long as he did. Was he part of the contract extension and Tebow trade perfect storm? Even if he was not primarily responsible for those moves, from all indications he did not do anything to oppose them.

Another huge mistake we can lay right on Rex was his choice of Tony Sparano as OC. Huge error. All reports are that that choice was all on Rex.

Add in that several of his game prep decisions were inexplicable, and in game moves highly questionable.

I like Ryan. I bet he's a good guy and all that. But the team is in decline in the fourth year of his tenure, and i don't see anything going on that indicates he has any clue how to turn it around.

That being the case, I think it more likely than not that this retaining him is probably not the best move. I don't feel as strongly that he should be fired as I did about Tanny, and for that matter that Sanchez has to go. But I've lost confidence in Ryan.

When your choices are Tebow, Sanchez and McElroy, what can you really do? Rex went with the better QB on the team. It was painfully obvious in the Chargers game. Who do you blame? Sparano, Sanchez or Rex? I don't think you can put full blame on any one of them. Okay, Rex hired Sparano, a possible mistake, but how can you really tell if it wasn't just lack of execution and talent depth on offense? Sanchez accuracy seems to be declining more and more, although receivers getting separation sure helps, plus no Holmes and no Keller for most of the year.

[Revis is your daddy]

Originally Posted by JetBlue

so, if the Packers GM retired you think the Packers should fire McCarthy just so the new GM can pick his own coach? if the 49er's GM left then Harbaugh should be fired?

just plain dumb fuck logic because these are the scenarios your argument would demand.

you don't fire a good coach just because you fire a shitty GM. the opportunity to be an NFL GM is a very rare opportunity. no candidate is going to pass up any job just because they have to keep the existing coach for the immediate future. in fact, it gives the GM some breathing room. if the Jets continue to suck the finger gets pointed to Rex and the GM will get a chance to hire his own in a season or two.

as usual. Jets fans continue to get it wrong.

Great post. The whole idea that a tm can't be successful without picking his own coach right away is dumb. If you have a good coach you work with him. There will be plenty of candidates who would want to work with Rex.

[Big Blocker]

Originally Posted by Barcs

When your choices are Tebow, Sanchez and McElroy, what can you really do? Rex went with the better QB on the team. It was painfully obvious in the Chargers game. Who do you blame? Sparano, Sanchez or Rex? I don't think you can put full blame on any one of them. Okay, Rex hired Sparano, a possible mistake, but how can you really tell if it wasn't just lack of execution and talent depth on offense? Sanchez accuracy seems to be declining more and more, although receivers getting separation sure helps, plus no Holmes and no Keller for most of the year.

I would never pretend like the situation is crystal clear when it comes to assessing blame and apportioning responsibility. But we can say that Rex has supported Sanchez, did not prevent that awful move of extending the guarantee in his contract, and did not prevent the Tebow trade (and may well have been all for it). The Sparano hiring was based on what, in hindsight? He'd just been fired and never had been an OC.

What we can say is that Ryan's presence as HC did nothing to make all those wrong decisions into the right decisions.

And, going forward, what is the basis for thinking Ryan has the skill and strategy to turn the team around and get it successful again? Trust me, I would love to think he could and will. But I just don't see any basis for thinking he inspires confidence in that regard.

[Big Blocker]

Originally Posted by displacedfan

To your second scenario, I think that's why Rex is still here for now. Maybe Woody sent out some feelers (as he did with potentially keeping Tanny in a different role which was turned down completely) and some potential candidates liek Rex and wanted him? It's a lot easier to fire REx when a GM comes in than to rehire Rex or settle for a different coach when a GM wanted Rex. Currently he could be asset in getting a GM as crazy as that sounds, but if he isn't, he could be easily fired

I agree, and it remains very possible that Ryan in fact will not be the HC in 2013.

[Dierking]

Originally Posted by 3xNFLChampion

Based on what? Blowhard predictions?
He has made a mockery of the jets, they are now a laughing stock and he has been promising championships. MOST GM's would clean house.

Come on. The Jets have been a mockery long before Rex ever got here.

The new GM will always have the option to clean house when he gets here. No point in cleaning house for him, he might want to keep the fat guy.

[LongTimeJetsFan]

It may be the case that Woody is going to ask the next GM to keep Rex for at least a year but we don't even know if that's the case right now. It would be foolish to fire any of the coaching staff that is still under contract prior to hiring the new GM. What if their are coaches that he thinks are good and wants to keep?

[BigGreenUgly]

Originally Posted by rinvesto

I support the firing of Tannenbaum. How you fire him and say Rex is staying is same old Jets at its core. Any Good GM MUST have the ability to pick his coach. I like Rex, think he needs a lot of growth as a HC and don't support him being fired, But the NEW GM MUST have the ability to hire the whole operation. Rex will get canned in a year by the new GM and we will start over again.

I completely agree. But most fans with try and convince themselves that this is an Ok move. The evidence against Ryan's ability to coach and control a disciplined locker room is so overwelming. You think this year was ugly? This team will win 4 games next year.

[displacedfan]

Originally Posted by LongTimeJetsFan

It may be the case that Woody is going to ask the next GM to keep Rex for at least a year but we don't even know if that's the case right now. It would be foolish to fire any of the coaching staff that is still under contract prior to hiring the new GM. What if their are coaches that he thinks are good and wants to keep?

Exactly, once you fire a coach, you aren't getting him back. Let the GM impose his philosophy.

[LongTimeJetsFan]

I also don't think it's unreasonable to think a new GM could come in and see that Rex had success in his first 2 years when he had more talent on offense, he has put together some good players to fit his scheme on defense and it would take significant resources to rebuild the defensive personnel to match a new DC's scheme. I think it's possible that they could believe the offense needs to be rebuilt and Rex can have success again.

[DanR]

Originally Posted by AarontheJet

Most GMs would keep Rex. They, unlike you, know something about football.

I don't know what Jets games you have been watching but Rex Ryan sucks as a head coach.

For YEARS bad clock management.

For YEARS always has too many players on the field.

For YEARS overlooking the offense.

For YEARS setting a bad example for the team.

For YEARS the team has been undisciplined.

[LogeSection2RowJ]

Sorry to say, what would keep a quality man from becoming our next GM isn't Rex - it's our owner. He's to blame for most of this, and everyone knows it.

[statjeff22]

To me the only issue is that in my opinion Woody Johnson's announcement that Ryan will be the head coach going forward means that the new GM will not get the freedom to fire him right away if he wants to, since if that happens now Johnson will be raked over the coals for lying. I don't see any reason why Johnson couldn't have said that Ryan's future will be determined by the new GM.

I also don't think this is doing Ryan any favors - he clearly will be the fall guy next year if things don't go as well as expected (whatever that means), whether it's his fault or not, and that's certainly what any new GM will be told. Technically he's not a lame duck, since that refers to someone who is pretty much guaranteed to lose their job at the end of their term (the phrase comes from the idea that a lame duck would get separated from the flock and get eaten by predators). He is obviously on a one-year trial, however, with a team that's not very good and has little cap flexibility. I will be very surprised if he is still the coach in 2014; indeed, if he is, it will be because of a really excellent coaching job given the constraints and circumstances.

I also think the idea that the players all support Ryan is overblown - the team clearly stopped playing for him in December, which hardly speaks to their great devotion to him.

[ArmandJ]

Originally Posted by DanR

I don't know what Jets games you have been watching but Rex Ryan sucks as a head coach.

For YEARS bad clock management.

For YEARS always has too many players on the field.

For YEARS overlooking the offense.

For YEARS setting a bad example for the team.

For YEARS the team has been undisciplined.

You don't know what you're talking about in 4 out of 5 examples...