[KurtTheJetsFan]

Originally Posted by papapump

Woody cares about two things, making the newspapers, and selling PSL's. That is it. If you look at the more successful franchises in the league, most of the owners are hardly visible at all. Those of the Jerry Jones, Woody Johnson, etc. mode rarely move towards the ultimate goal. The meddling type owners, other than the late, great, George just don't do it.

How do you know this to be true? Has Woody told you that himself? Only place this has ever been mentioned is by bitter fans pissed about PSL prices & by the team's performance. It's hot air know nothing CRAP

[Cman55]

Woody needs to take his time and not fuck this decision up. He needs to bring in a proven NFL Architect to develop this franchise and bring some semblance of respect back to the NY Jets brand. This decision will affect this team going forward for the foreseeable future.

Frankly, its time for the circus to Get The Fuck Out of Town. It's old, it's stale, and it ain't funny anymore.

[ArmandJ]

The only circus is Mark Sanchez...

That being said, this offseason hire will be extremely important.

[papapump]

Originally Posted by KurtTheJetsFan

How do you know this to be true? Has Woody told you that himself? Only place this has ever been mentioned is by bitter fans pissed about PSL prices & by the team's performance. It's hot air know nothing CRAP

And whom do you think was responsible for the Tebow fiasco? Wake up man.

[KurtTheJetsFan]

Originally Posted by papapump

And whom do you think was responsible for the Tebow fiasco? Wake up man.

Mike Tannenbaum. Since the story originally hit & every publication to present day he has taken credit for originally having the idea. Now perhaps Woody encouraged it after hearing Tannenbaum's pitch..but everything points to Tannenbaum. It was a massive miscalculation, a case of outsmarting himself & it will end up costing him his job

[papapump]

Originally Posted by KurtTheJetsFan

Mike Tannenbaum. Since the story originally hit & every publication to present day he has taken credit for originally having the idea. Now perhaps Woody encouraged it after hearing Tannenbaum's pitch..but everything points to Tannenbaum. It was a massive miscalculation, a case of outsmarting himself & it will end up costing him his job

Mr. T has lied to more Jet players than I care to remember. His credibility is non-existant. Woody brought Tebow in to sell PSL's, and jerseys. I actually feel bad for Tebow, he was lied to from the start.

[KurtTheJetsFan]

Originally Posted by papapump

Mr. T has lied to more Jet players than I care to remember. His credibility is non-existant. Woody brought Tebow in to sell PSL's, and jerseys. I actually feel bad for Tebow, he was lied to from the start.

You're gonna believe what you wanna believe even in the face of all the available evidence.

Have you heard what many of those same Jet players have said about Woody as an owner? Before you make assumptions about what Woody's priorities are I suggest you read those quotes.

[major33]

Originally Posted by KurtTheJetsFan

Mike Tannenbaum. Since the story originally hit & every publication to present day he has taken credit for originally having the idea. Now perhaps Woody encouraged it after hearing Tannenbaum's pitch..but everything points to Tannenbaum. It was a massive miscalculation, a case of outsmarting himself & it will end up costing him his job

Oh get real man. Tebow was brought in because Tannenbaum, Woody AND Rex wanted him. Also, he fit with the type of offense Sparano conjured up inside his dumb fat head.

[AlToon]

Rex Ryan's days as Jets head coach are numbered with Woody looking for a new GM who IS NOT taking the job without final say on all football matters. It may not be after this season but sometime in the near future,the new GM will want to bring in his own guy. Woody knows that too. Rex has two more seasons remaining on his contract.

Tim Tebow? Rex shouldn't absolved from the Tebow fiasco. Tebow,Rex and Sporano have the same agent. Jimmy Sexton. Tebow had the choice between the Jets and Jacksonville. Rex sold Tebow on the Jets. You know Rex. Full of bluster.

General manager Mike Tannenbaum told The Associated Press during training camp that he and Ryan kicked around the idea of going after Tebow while sitting in an airport and seeing that Denver was about to acquire Peyton Manning.

Tannenbaum said the two jumped at that idea, and so did offensive coordinator Tony Sparano, and added that owner Woody Johnson was completely on board. For Ryan and Sparano, it would be adding a proven winner, an athlete who had his limitations as a passer, but added so much more in intangibles.

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Rex and Mr.T are tied at the hip. You can't separate them.

[Axel3419]

Originally Posted by major33

Oh get real man. Tebow was brought in because Tannenbaum, Woody AND Rex wanted him. Also, he fit with the type of offense Sparano conjured up inside his dumb fat head.

That's fine, but who is responsible for extending Sanchez's contract? Who MADE said 58.25 million dollar contract?

[broomulack]

Originally Posted by KurtTheJetsFan

Yep. I see a general lack of education about the game of football & the "fire fire fire" mentality that has held this organization back for DECADES. It's not enjoyable anymore. Players are busts after one day of training camp, good organizational decisions ignored after the first sign of adversity.

It's ok to have an opinion. But when it is so short sighted & leads to the owner pulling the trigger & cleaning house every 3-4 years...you begin to see a trend. The sad thing is..the owner makes these moves b/c the fans cry for it..and then bozo's have the nerve to claim the owner doesn't care about the fans & it's all about money.


Bitch.Moan.Complain. This guy's a bust.That guy's a bust. We better re-sign this guy(then 5 years later) I can't believe we gave him that contract.Bitch.moan.complain

So the fans are bozos, but the owner that listens to them and makes moves based on what the fans think isn't a bozo? C'mon.

[alleycat9]

Originally Posted by KurtTheJetsFan

How do you know this to be true? Has Woody told you that himself? Only place this has ever been mentioned is by bitter fans pissed about PSL prices & by the team's performance. It's hot air know nothing CRAP

where as what you say is correct of course. what makes his assumptions any more or less true than yours?

[alleycat9]

Originally Posted by KurtTheJetsFan

Mike Tannenbaum. Since the story originally hit & every publication to present day he has taken credit for originally having the idea. Now perhaps Woody encouraged it after hearing Tannenbaum's pitch..but everything points to Tannenbaum. It was a massive miscalculation, a case of outsmarting himself & it will end up costing him his job

seriously? you are going to sit there and straight faced tell some guy he doesnt know what he is talking about because mike fucking tannenbaum said so?

i would assume you believe everything rex says too.

[major33]

Originally Posted by Axel3419

That's fine, but who is responsible for extending Sanchez's contract? Who MADE said 58.25 million dollar contract?

The THREE bozo's. Tannenbaum, Rex, and Woody. One person does not make these kinds of important decisions. Just like with Tebow. You don't bring in Tim Tebow unless all three bozo's are on board. Granted they might have different reasons for wanting him, but nonetheless, all three wanted him.

[broomulack]

Originally Posted by JetsUK

I don't believe Ryan had/has a man crush on Sanchez - what were Ryan's options? Brunell? Clemens? Tebow? Tanny has spectacularly failed to bring in any realistic competition for Sanchez from day 1 so Rex has had no choice but to be seen to be supportive or Sanchez (not to mention the fact that given the huge rookie contract they pretty much needed him to succeed).

It isn't so much the point that he had lesser options. At some point, everyone except Rex realized that at best Sanchez needed a breather and had to get his head together. That point was likely sometime last year, but if it wasn't then, it was DEFINITELY this year. Let him sit for a few games, work with the coaches and at some point admit that the guy's confidence is shot and he needs help.

Instead, they rode him into the ground until he was completely useless. That's on Rex. The team comes before the player, but the Jets just don't understand that.

[broomulack]

Originally Posted by nyjunc

The only positive Favre gave us was his choke led to us getting Rex and sanchez.

You have to be just breaking balls. I refuse to believe you are this blind.

[Jake]

Sanchez, Tannenbaum and Bradway need to GTFO. 'Nuff said.

[Hobbes3259]

Originally Posted by xxedge72x

While I generally agree with this, the Mike T / Terry Bradway braintrust has been around since 2002, even though the roles got reversed when Mangini took over.

They've been through a lot and produced a mixed bag of results, some GREAT successes, and many more disappointments. They're by no means the worst the NFL has to offer but they're certainly not close to the best either. Very middle of the pack.

Sparano is a guy who is genuinely going 1 and done. Mike T / Bradway not so much.

Sparano...buh bye.

DLine looks pretty good..50pct of your defensive backfield is going to the pro bowl.


You had a shitty run of injuries to hands players....that's not the HC or the GM.

But Sparano has shown Zilch as an OC regardless.

[broomulack]

Originally Posted by KurtTheJetsFan

09/10 Had better O-line & Secondary than both of those other eras. Perhaps I can buy the 80's argument but not the late 90's.

But not better skill position players, unless you think Sanchez is better than Vinny Testaverde. Even Ray Lucas took a team that was (I think) 2-6 and got them to 8-8. You think Lucas was that good, or maybe he was adequate enough to have talent around him succeed?

Having better o-line and better defensive backfield, two of many components of a team, does not make them a more-talented team. You can't even begin to compare the depth.

As for the 2009 team, it was an 8-8 team that got lucky to get to 9-7 - thank you Indy. Yeah, I know, it is what it is, I'll take it. But it doesn't change anything. And the 2010 teams was 11-5 with like 4 last second, heroic, get-every-break-you-possibly-can wins. When the chips were down, they went up to New England and got smoked. Again we can thank Indy for their stupid clock management and an ill-advised timeout. The win against the Pats was legitimate, but we got smoked in Pittsburgh in the first half thanks to that 'great' defense everyone keeps talking about.

The 1998 team was a team primed for a title, couple of bad plays in Denver blew that game and we all know what happened with Vinny-T in 1999. But Parcells and company put together a team that was competitive for years.

[major33]

Originally Posted by nyjunc

Unless you are also kaboom why did you reply?

You make my point, been here for a long time but didnt' start posting until we sucked. Taht sounds trollish, right?

Well we were 4-12 in 05 and 07.


No I'm not Kaboom and have no idea what point you are trying to make. It's obvious there is always more to discuss when things are going bad. It doesn't make a person a troll. When things are going good, there really isn't a whole lot to talk about unless you like chatting about Rex Ryan's foot fetish or who Mark Sanchez is dating.