[rockyusmc2003]

Originally Posted by Bellows1

Would you consider a pass that hits a receiver in the helmet a good pass?
Does Green have a this burst you speak of?

If the answer to either is no, then where is the issue with Tebow? I understand you may not like him, but that doesn't mean he has no value to this team as either.





Semper -Fi.

It's not that I don't like Tebow. He's just not a running back. He can create plays in space. Just because a player can run, that doesn't mean they should be a back.

Greene has burst, he lacks vision. Don't think he should be starting either, but comparing the 2 players is apples and oranges. Greene is a banger running back, and needs to be behind someone else. However, that guy is more likely Powell then Tebow. You want a RB, give Grimes a shot.

This team already has too many square pegs in round holes.

Semper fi

[Revis is your daddy]

McElroy is Pennington 2.0 Smart player but has a little girl's arm. If he had the physical tools of Sanchez I think he would be a very good QB.

[LongTimeJetsFan]

Originally Posted by JetsNation06

The Jets don't have any plan whatsoever. So there's no downside to starting someone else but Sanchez.

You can't critique Tebow or McElroy as the Jets starting QB as they have never been given the opportunity. There's no basis for criticism until either of them start a game. I'll tell you one thing. It can't get any worse than Sanchez who is statistically and visually one of the bottom 5 Qb's in the NFL.

You think the Jets have no plan but you have nothing to back that statement up. It's a baseless statement that you think is right. You throwing it out there as if it's a fact tells me a lot.

Most of us have seen both McElroy and Tebow play. They both have huge flaws that are impossible to miss unless you have no idea what you're looking at. Saying there is no basis for criticism of either of them is a joke.

Sanchez looked much better against the Texans than he did against the previous 3 weeks if you want to talk about "visually".

[JetsNation06]

I'm with the OP. ABS (Anybody But Sanchez).

[LongTimeJetsFan]

Originally Posted by Revis is your daddy

McElroy is Pennington 2.0 Smart player but has a little girl's arm. If he had the physical tools of Sanchez I think he would be a very good QB.

I think McElroy has a weaker arm than Pennington did after his surgeries.

[MURDR]

Originally Posted by Revis is your daddy

McElroy is Pennington 2.0 Smart player but has a little girl's arm. If he had the physical tools of Sanchez I think he would be a very good QB.

Pennington also made multiple Pro Bowls. If it wasn't for injuries, Pennington would probably STILL be our starter.

EDIT: WTF?!?! Just looked, and he NEVER made one? I was always under the assumption he made one with Miami and one with us?

[LongTimeJetsFan]

Originally Posted by MURDR

Pennington also made multiple Pro Bowls. If it wasn't for injuries, Pennington would probably STILL be our starter.

If by multiple pro bowls you mean zero pro bowls you are correct.

[JetsNation06]

Originally Posted by LongTimeJetsFan

You think the Jets have no plan but you have nothing to back that statement up. It's a baseless statement that you think is right. You throwing it out there as if it's a fact tells me a lot.

Most of us have seen both McElroy and Tebow play. They both have huge flaws that are impossible to miss unless you have no idea what you're looking at. Saying there is no basis for criticism of either of them is a joke.

Sanchez looked much better against the Texans than he did against the previous 3 weeks if you want to talk about "visually".

Enlighten me...Which regular season game has Tebow or McElroy started for the Jets?

My point exactly. Again zero basis for any criticism as a Starting QB for the NY Jets. If you say you have some, then you're just a flat out liar.

And Sanchez still sucked against the Texans. So saying he played better than the 3 previous games is like saying he went from really shitty to only kinda shitty. He had another Red Zone turnover which is a cardinal sin for any good QB, especially in a game that was decided by less than a TD.

Your argument is weak at best. Tell me all the great attributes you see in Sanchez this year or last if you're so hard up for him to be our franchise Qb.

If the Jets do have a plan then I'd like to see it because it clearly has not worked through 5 games this season.

[Hobbes3259]

Originally Posted by Jollygreenjet

What's crazy is that we keep playing the same players and getting the same results. I'm all for shaking things up a bit. I like the idea. It certainly can't hurt at this point. It's clear we are going to struggle all season and probably not make the playoffs with this squad.

No, we don't. Sparano has been OC for a month. Where all of his offensive targets have yet to see the field together.

How many picks this season, are off of a receivers hands?

[Hobbes3259]

Originally Posted by JetsNation06

Enlighten me...Which regular season game has Tebow or McElroy started for the Jets?

My point exactly. Again zero basis for any criticism as a Starting QB for the NY Jets. If you say you have some, then you're just a flat out liar.

And Sanchez still sucked against the Texans. So saying he played better than the 3 previous games is like saying he went from really shitty to only kinda shitty. He had another Red Zone turnover which is a cardinal sin for any good QB, especially in a game that was decided by less than a TD.

Your argument is weak at best. Tell me all the great attributes you see in Sanchez this year or last if you're so hard up for him to be our franchise Qb.

If the Jets do have a plan then I'd like to see it because it clearly has not worked through 5 games this season.

I was there. He didn't suck. You cannot blame the QB for balls bouncing off receivers.

[Revis is your daddy]

Originally Posted by LongTimeJetsFan

I think McElroy has a weaker arm than Pennington did after his surgeries.

If that is true that is a death sentence. No one wants to give a starting job to a QB who can't throw the ball 40 yards. It sucks because I really think he has the other tools to be a good QB. He's accurate too.

[LongTimeJetsFan]

Originally Posted by JetsNation06

Enlighten me...Which regular season game has Tebow or McElroy started for the Jets?

My point exactly. Again zero basis for any criticism as a Starting QB for the NY Jets. If you say you have some, then you're just a flat out liar.

You don't need to see them play in a regular season game as a Jet to have seen the obvious massive flaws they have. This isn't difficult to understand.

And Sanchez still sucked against the Texans. So saying he played better than the 3 previous games is like saying he went from really shitty to only kinda shitty. He had another Red Zone turnover which is a cardinal sin for any good QB, especially in a game that was decided by less than a TD.

The redzone turnover was just a good play by the defense. I don't think you understand football too well.

Your argument is weak at best. Tell me all the great attributes you see in Sanchez this year or last if you're so hard up for him to be our franchise Qb.

Please show me one post where I said Sanchez was great? You tell me my argument is weak but you don't even seem to understand what I'm arguing. Your understanding is weak.

[JetsNation06]

Originally Posted by Hobbes3259

I was there. He didn't suck. You cannot blame the QB for balls bouncing off receivers.

I saw every snap he took as well. He did suck. Stop blaming the receivers as they don't throw the ball, Sanchez does. You act as if this is an isolated incident. His inaccuracy on his passes happens all game long.

[snipes824]

I totally agree McElroy should be given a shot. We know what Sanchez is - he's leading us nowhere. Tebow can't throw. Let's see what we got in McElroy. I bet we'd be surprised.

[JetsNation06]

Originally Posted by LongTimeJetsFan

You don't need to see them play in a regular season game as a Jet to have seen the obvious massive flaws they have. This isn't difficult to understand.


The redzone turnover was just a good play by the defense. I don't think you understand football too well.

Please show me one post where I said Sanchez was great? You tell me my argument is weak but you don't even seem to understand what I'm arguing. Your understanding is weak.

I've played and coached football at a higher level than you could ever dream of so if anyone doesn't understand football it's you.

Then how else could you possibly evaluate Tebow or McElroy if you haven't seen them start a game as the QB of the Jets? You seem to find this very difficult to understand. This is the only way to fairly evaluate them. Anything else means jacksh*t. They have to actually play a game for the Jets to make a fair critique of them. You follow?

So then answer the question. Tell me all these good, not great, attributes you see in Mark Sanchez as our franchise QB. I'm waiting....You clearly are defending him. So back it up as you say with facts from his play this season.

By the way, the red zone turnover was completely his fault. You don't make that throw or you adjust your throw or you slide in the pocket if there's a defender in your face. QB University 101. His fault, Sanchez apologist.

[Will-I-Am-Not]

The only sample we have of his play is against 2nd and 3rd stringers in pre-season games.
Who knows, maybe he's a diamond in the rough. My guess is that our future quarterback is playing on
Saturdays right now.

Originally Posted by MURDR

He's looked pretty decent in the very few touches he's gotten.

Sanchez obviously isn't working out (I have been the biggest Sanchez supporter there is, but I have officially given up on him), and Tebow is a better runningback than quarterback.

I think it's time to bench Greene and Sanchez and replace them with Tebow and McElroy, respectively. I'm not even joking.

If it doesn't work out, oh well, at least we can trade up for Geno Smith, because I never want Sanchez or Tebow to play a snap at QB for us again.

[LongTimeJetsFan]

Originally Posted by JetsNation06

I've played and coached football at a higher level than you could ever dream of so if anyone doesn't understand football it's you.

Please share, I'm dying to know. You must have been a terrible coach if you aren't full of shit.

Then how else could you possibly evaluate Tebow or McElroy if you haven't seen them start a game as the QB of the Jets? You seem to find this very difficult to understand. This is the only way to fairly evaluate them. Anything else means jacksh*t. They have to actually play a game for the Jets to make a fair critique of them. You follow?

Again, it's easy to see their OBVIOUS flaws having watched them play. You don't need to see McElroy play in a live game to see that his arm strength is fucking weak. C'mon coach - you don't see it? You haven't seen the ridiculously poor accuracy from tebow and javalin throwing motion? C'mon coach!

So then answer the question. Tell me all these good, not great, attributes you see in Mark Sanchez as our franchise QB. I'm waiting....You clearly are defending him. So back it up as you say with facts from his play this season.

Try reading what I've already written to understand what I'm arguing, which CLEARLY isn't that Sanchez is even good.

By the way, the red zone turnover was completely his fault. You don't make that throw or you adjust your throw or you slide in the pocket if there's a defender in your face. QB University 101. His fault, Sanchez apologist.

It was a shotgun, quick slant. The receiver was open and the pass appeared on target. JJ Watt made a great play. There was no defender in his face. C'mon coach!

There's no way you were ever a coach unless it was for a pop warner team.

[JetsNation06]

Originally Posted by LongTimeJetsFan

Please share, I'm dying to know. You must have been a terrible coach if you aren't full of shit.


Again, it's easy to see their OBVIOUS flaws having watched them play. You don't need to see McElroy play in a live game to see that his arm strength is fucking weak. C'mon coach - you don't see it? You haven't seen the ridiculously poor accuracy from tebow and javalin throwing motion? C'mon coach!

Way to avoid the question Einstein. When did Tebow or McElory start a game as the Jets QB? Still waiting.....LOL

Try reading what I've already written to understand what I'm arguing, which CLEARLY isn't that Sanchez is even good.

Then what the hell are you actually arguing? You must have mastered in ambiguity in reform school LOL. Make a point instead of talking in circles, riddler.



It was a shotgun, three step drop, quick slant. The receiver was open and the pass appeared on target. JJ Watt made a great play. There was no defender in his face. C'mon coach!

The pass was on target. How could you tell the pass was on target if it never reached the intended WR? The answer is you have no f*cking clue if the pass was on target as it was batted down at the line of scrimmage. Noone will ever know if that pass was on target except you Nostradamus! You can clearly predict the unforeseen LMAO.

There's no way you were ever a coach unless it was for a pop warner team.

Dude, stick to soccer. It suits you with all the conjecture and hypothetical "on target" passes lol

Even if I told you who I coached for, you'd still be dumbfounded so not worth my time.

[Christian]

You won't get different results with McElroy in. Seriously, with no offensive weapons and a shit offensive line I'm not sure what you'd expect to get out of anyone playing quarterback for this team. The level of ignorance on this board is simply amazing. I almost refuse to believe anyone would be this clueless.

[LongTimeJetsFan]

Please point out the defender in his face, coach.