[Zach]

Originally Posted by BuffaloPhysco

I went to the game and kept expecting throughout to see Grahm get put in, especially in garbage time after the start of the second half. Very dissapointing he was inactive. Any reason for that? Fitz is really starting to worry me. He doesn't trust the receivers and timing routes like a starting QB should, but instead waits for the receiver to get open and then trys to bullet in the throw. Thats how Cro and Kyle Wilson got their picks. He also missed Chandler a few times DEEP because he was staring down Stevie. We have got to find a way to feature Chandler in the offense more.

Other then that, our line looked great. Spiller has shown how explosive and patient he has become as a starter. What a great dilemna Chan has on who to keep fresh for the 4th quarters? I'd like to see both Freddy and Spiller get 15 touches a game one way or another.

Not worried about the pass rush just yet, it's hard to generate one when you spot a big lead early. Plus there definitely were some holds that were not called on Mario.

1. 1-9 since the hot start. You must have missed half a season of your favorite team's football, son.

2. holds that weren't called on Mario? How about the blatant hold that wasn't called on Spiller's TD run? That didn't happen, right?

[Bills Over Jets]

Originally Posted by Jake

No credit to Sanchez, ah well, give it time.

Originally Posted by mj2sexay

Your non-credit to Sanchez is hilarious. Haters gonna hate I guess.

Wait... what exactly would anyone give credit to Sanchez for? The guy stood back in a nice pocket against no rush, and threw the ball to receivers running wide open.

And that's not a rhetorical question. What did Sanchez do that any average QB wouldn't have done in those situations? JP Losman would have completed passes.

[b.reyes16]

Originally Posted by Bills Over Jets

Wait... what exactly would anyone give credit to Sanchez for? The guy stood back in a nice pocket against no rush, and threw the ball to receivers running wide open.

And that's not a rhetorical question. What did Sanchez do that any average QB wouldn't have done in those situations? JP Losman would have completed passes.

He has aTQBR of 97.1/100 if you're one if those stat guys. Will you argue that Fitz didn't have a nice pocket too, because i'm almost positive we didn't have a sack. Sanchez was quick and decisive. Nothing wrong with giving a player of a hated team credit when it's due.

[BillyGreen]

The fact is, the Jets suprised and confused the Bills because everyone in the NFL thought the Jets would be all "ground n' pound" this year and then they come out throwing the ball all over the lot and taking shots downfield with Hill and Kerley. Nobody expected that; not the talking heads on sports radio/tv, not the fans on either side, and especially not the Bills.

Plus the Jets brought Tebow into the game and had him lined up with Sanchez on the field at the same time and then just alone. This somewhat confused and prevented the Bills from coming up with a consistent game plan.

And while the Jets D didn't sack Fitzpatrick it sure as hell had him running for his life all day long. And even though he wasn't sacked he sure took some terrific hits as he was releasing the ball and after he released it. Sometimes you don't have to sack the quarterback to affect his play, all you have to do is make him hear footsteps, and the Jets certainly had Fitzpatrick hearing them all day long.


Nobody expected the Jets to do what they did yesterday. Next sunday they won't have the same atmostphere of surprise, and then we'll find out what we've got here.

[Bob Robbins]

Originally Posted by Bills Over Jets

Wait... what exactly would anyone give credit to Sanchez for? The guy stood back in a nice pocket against no rush, and threw the ball to receivers running wide open.

And that's not a rhetorical question. What did Sanchez do that any average QB wouldn't have done in those situations? JP Losman would have completed passes.

Something tells me Fitzpatrick wouldn't have performed that well given the same situation. But then again maybe he isn't "any average QB" as you say.

Jokes aside, Sanchez had a nice game with a bunch of very accurate throws. The protection was very good which helped but that doesn't negate his performance at all. You can ignore his play if you'd like but every non-Jets fan I know that watched the game (which is quite a few since I don't live in New York) has been telling me how good Sanchez looked on Sunday, it's not just Jets fans that think so.

[Jtuds]

I missed the game but PVRed it and watched most of it today.

I was very surprised by Williams. He did beat Howard badly on a few plays but Sanchez got rid of the ball in time, although he did hammer Mark on at least 1 play. He was not any more disruptive than anyone else in the run game and he is usually a force all over the field. it really was weird to see Mario Williams not be the most noticeable defensive player on his team. He needs to step up fr Buffalo, especially for what he is being paid.

[Jtuds]

Originally Posted by talisaynon

get fucked and go eat a dick

Talisaynon is exactly the type I am embarrassed to associate with as a fan of this team. These people offer no valuable input to any thread/football conversation because they don't understand football beyond fantasy stats and roster information....they just know they like a team because their dad told them to so they chirp other teams fans and hope they never get challenged on their football knowledge. If they do get challenged they try to save face by yelling "(insert big name player on opposing team) sucks!!!"

Originally Posted by Jake

No credit to Sanchez, ah well, give it time.

Originally Posted by mj2sexay

Your non-credit to Sanchez is hilarious. Haters gonna hate I guess.

As for the other 2 taking the completely reasonable omission of Sanchez's performance personally: Sanchez has had 3 full seasons to show something...he's still an up and down QB who now, because he has screwed up so many times, has to rebuild his reputation and show he belongs. One game doesn't do that. Thats the same bad logic that makes people think he is good because he played in some playoff games.

[AK-JETS4Life]

Originally Posted by Bills Over Jets

Wait... what exactly would anyone give credit to Sanchez for? The guy stood back in a nice pocket against no rush, and threw the ball to receivers running wide open.

And that's not a rhetorical question. What did Sanchez do that any average QB wouldn't have done in those situations? JP Losman would have completed passes.

If that is the case, then how can you be so optimistic that the bills will finish 8-8 or 9-7? Especially when your sensational d-line can't get to the QB? I mean there are plenty of o-linemen with more experience than Howard on your teams schedule.

[laxin]

Originally Posted by Bills Over Jets

Wait... what exactly would anyone give credit to Sanchez for? The guy stood back in a nice pocket against no rush, and threw the ball to receivers running wide open.

And that's not a rhetorical question. What did Sanchez do that any average QB wouldn't have done in those situations? JP Losman would have completed passes.

GTFO. Please just stop posting here. Do you honestly believe that?

You know, reading the defense, calling presnap blitzes out, going through his reads, hitting the receiver in stride and with great accuracy, ect... those arent anything to give some kind of credit for.

Funny how everyone was proclaiming this defense a top 10 defense and the best DL in the league a week ago, yet now when the Jets and Sanchez light it up, theres no credit given for 3 TDs, 266 yards 70% completion percentage.

I just cant wait for when you guys are watching us play in the postseason and you guys are stuck wondering which QB you are going to take in the draft.

Go home and discuss drafting Matt Barkley.

[Bills Over Jets]

Originally Posted by AK-JETS4Life

If that is the case, then how can you be so optimistic that the bills will finish 8-8 or 9-7? Especially when your sensational d-line can't get to the QB? I mean there are plenty of o-linemen with more experience than Howard on your teams schedule.

I dont know what exactly was going on with their effort to be honest. I've never seen even one of those linemen (Mario, Kyle, Dareus) not get off the ball like that before or look like they're not really trying. To see them all doing it in the same game is intriguing to me. I'm not sure if that was really the "stopping the run" strategy or not. I dont anticipate seeing that again.

I dont expect Mario to have a lot of sacks. As much as Jets fans want to praise Howard for his performance, the reality is they had tight ends and backs help in protection a majority of time. I fully expect that to happen in every game. But I also expect Kyle and Dareus to penetrate like they usually do. We'll see.

[mj2sexay]

Originally Posted by Bills Over Jets

Wait... what exactly would anyone give credit to Sanchez for? The guy stood back in a nice pocket against no rush, and threw the ball to receivers running wide open.

And that's not a rhetorical question. What did Sanchez do that any average QB wouldn't have done in those situations? JP Losman would have completed passes.

Lol. You're going to tell me that pass on Kerley's wheel route wasn't dead, accurate? His second throw to Hill was also perfectly placed to lead the receiver. Aside from the bonehead play on the 1st drive he spent the game dissecting your shitty secondary.

Yes the Bills secondary sucks ass, and no, to disagree with your earlier prediction, you probably aren't beating the Jets in week 17 unless something catastrophic has happened to the Jets or Tavaris Jackson becomes the savior that he never was as a two-time loser with two other franchises. The best QB you've ever had since Jim Kelly was Doug Flutie, so obviously it's now clear that some Buffalo fans are so shell-shocked by seeing shitty QB after shitty QB that they wouldn't know a quality game when it hits them in the face.

Enjoy winning your 5 or 6 games this year. I only ask that one of them be against the Patriots but we all know that's not gonna happen. The funny part is it'll be just enough wins to miss out on Barkley.

EDIT: Just saw this, didn't want to double post.

Originally Posted by Jtuds

As for the other 2 taking the completely reasonable omission of Sanchez's performance personally: Sanchez has had 3 full seasons to show something...he's still an up and down QB who now, because he has screwed up so many times, has to rebuild his reputation and show he belongs. One game doesn't do that. Thats the same bad logic that makes people think he is good because he played in some playoff games.

Ask Matt Ryan and Tony Romo how hard it is to win in the playoffs. Screwed up so many times? Taking his rookie year, when he was a college JUNIOR making the jump to the NFL out of the equation he's had a positive TD to INT ratio. 32 total td's last year. With some, playing at a high level consistently doesn't happen immediately. But to kick off his 4th year in the league, it was good to see Sanchez look so sharp. When you draft someone that young and then start them IMMEDIATELY, you accept the fact that growing pains are a part of the process. How'd Ryan Tannehill look yesterday?

[Jets n Boys]

Originally Posted by Bills Over Jets

Wait... what exactly would anyone give credit to Sanchez for? The guy stood back in a nice pocket against no rush, and threw the ball to receivers running wide open.

And that's not a rhetorical question. What did Sanchez do that any average QB wouldn't have done in those situations? JP Losman would have completed passes.

So using your logic. Brady was average in all those years when he just stood there for plays to develop and then find open receivers. That is such a fucked up theory. Sanchez made reads on ur defense. He had several pump fake completions. The pass to Kerley for TD was not a piece of cake. Did u see that incomplete pass he threw to Holmes in the EZ where Holmes got both his feet down, but his hand landed OoB first? That was a perfect pass if I may. There was safety on Holmes inside shoulder, and a corner on his back. The pass could only have been thrown to Holmes outside shoulder. Same with the Kerley TD. Hills did very well on his two TDs. Sanchez only needed to find him. But you can't discount an accurate throw from Sanchez on all those mid to long range passes.

And Fitzy played like shit. I mean total shit. He should have have 5 picks and ZERO TDs yesterday. Cromartie dropped a relatively easy pick early in the game, and then there was a drop by another Jet (not sure who) who had it thrown right on his face mask, but only managed to tip it to a Bills receiver for a completion. He padded his stats against vanilla D and against Revis-less D. The game was over at 41-7. The game was a much bigger blow out than the 48-28 scoreboard showed. Fitzy was trash and there is no comparison between Fitz and Sanchez, so please do not claim both these QBs to be the same.

[xmscott]

This guys name is Bills Over Jets

What planet am i living on?

[PraisebetoRevis]

Originally Posted by Bills Over Jets

I dont know what exactly was going on with their effort to be honest. I've never seen even one of those linemen (Mario, Kyle, Dareus) not get off the ball like that before or look like they're not really trying. To see them all doing it in the same game is intriguing to me. I'm not sure if that was really the "stopping the run" strategy or not. I dont anticipate seeing that again.

I dont expect Mario to have a lot of sacks. As much as Jets fans want to praise Howard for his performance, the reality is they had tight ends and backs help in protection a majority of time. I fully expect that to happen in every game. But I also expect Kyle and Dareus to penetrate like they usually do. We'll see.

You're a fucking piece of work.

I mean, really, Sanchez didn't have a good game? I mean I look at your post and it all just spews bullshit, as if the Jets didn't win the game -- the bills lost it..right? Hill did well, but Hill had to do well because Sanchez did well. The fucking guy had a 125(ish-- I don't feel like looking up the exact QBR) QB rating with a shitty interception. But because Sanchez had a good game was because that's because the Bills had rookie CBs right? even though the jets had ROOKIE WR'S, right? Just please, shut the fuck up and accept the loss of your shitty team.

Only reason you guys were even a factor in this game was because of Spiller. THAT'S IT.

[Zach]

Originally Posted by PraisebetoRevis

You're a fucking piece of work.

I mean, really, Sanchez didn't have a good game? I mean I look at your post and it all just spews bullshit, as if the Jets didn't win the game -- the bills lost it..right? Hill did well, but Hill had to do well because Sanchez did well. The fucking guy had a 125(ish-- I don't feel like looking up the exact QBR) QB rating with a shitty interception. But because Sanchez had a good game was because that's because the Bills had rookie CBs right? even though the jets had ROOKIE WR'S, right? Just please, shut the fuck up and accept the loss of your shitty team.

Only reason you guys were even a factor in this game was because of Spiller. THAT'S IT.

First step in fixing any problem is ADMITTING that there is a problem. Until that step is taken, the problem won't go away.

Maybe Sanchez didn't do too well, given the luxurious protection - but then, what does that say about Bills defense? If Sanchez can shred this defense for 34 points, the likes of Manning and Brady will drop 50+ on them, no?

[Bills Over Jets]

What would any of you expect Sanchez to do with no pressure and open receivers? Are you satisfied that he made the throws? Those are low expectations. Sanchez still missed open receivers on numerous occasions. Ones that immediately come to mind: the non-td to Holmes, the play to Kerely where he was wide open near the first down marker and the refs had to review it, and at least 2 more balls to Holmes that were intermediate/deep routes.

Listen, if you want to get excited that the guy made the easy throws that's fine. But I expect that he should. Would you give a RB credit for running through open holes? A WR for catching a pass on blown coverage? If you're simply happy for Sanchez doing what he's supposed to do, then you have very low expectations for his success.

[BrowningNagle]

Don't even give this guy the time of day.. He's a POS.

He trolled all offseason, why would it be any different when the season started? I don't know why he comes back to try to get a rise out of you guys when his team got their asses handed to them... But its not really even worth a response. He's a fucking clown, everyone knows that.

[Dierking]

Ask Stevie about catching a wide open pass in a blown coverage.

[cval]

Fitzpatrick's performance Sunday was pathetic. This guy was supposed to be the Bills savior? He is what he always has been a good back-up QB. Not to worry you guys have Tavaris Jackson as the Back-up he will come in have a decent game and be the next savior.

Meanwhile Sanchez is going into his fourth season and already looks more comfortable than the previous three. (Big year for QBs). Sanchez is still getting better and developing Fitz is playing as well as he is gonna. Sanchez still has a lot to prove but i see another good game in Pittsburgh against an aging defense.

[kbgreen]

Originally Posted by Bills Over Jets

I'm posting this here so that I don't have to reply to a hundred posters in a hundred threads.

Although I've stated how both the Bills and Jets will look great one week, terrible the next, and wouldn't be surprised to see a blowout on either side this game, there were some things that did surprise me.

1.) Coaching

For the first time in 3 years, I was angry with Chan Gailey, and this actually started before the game even started.

(a) TJ Graham Inactive: once I saw this guy on the inactive list I was shocked. The guy is raw, but if there was any week I felt he could make an impact, it would be against the Jets, and here's why. Against the Jets, you can't count on much production from your #1 and #2 wide receivers IMO. You just can't. You have to run the ball well and utilize your slot receivers, tight ends, and backs out of the backfield. Your #1 and #2 receivers supplement the rest of your offense, not the other way around. We got TJ because of his blazing speed. I thought for sure he would cause problems in the slot for the Jets, and even if he doesnt make plays, throwing deep a couple of times should make a team think twice about keeping everyone in the box.

Add in the very real possibility that Stevie Johnson with his injury might not be able to finish the game, and this was a head scratcher for me.

(b) Pass Rush: I posted this in the game day thread, but when the game started I watched our d-line. I started with Mario on Howard. It just looked to me like he wasn't giving an effort. I couldn't figure out what was going on, and then I saw the rest of the d-linemen doing the same thing. All 4 of them would come off the ball and then kind of just mirror the o-linemen.

Then I realized it could have been a coaching move to try and stop the run first. Sure enough, Gailey said in his press conference that was the strategy, and they didnt start to really rush until the 4the quarter with the backups in (Kelsay, Carrington, etc.). What a stupid way to play the game, IMO. I understand the Jets pass offense has been terrible and their run game very good, but what team/coach that expects to win would ever just concede on one phase to stop another? You worry about the run game by scheming and practicing, you dont take away from the pass rush. The Bills did stop the run, but when any QB has the time to just sit back in a nice comfortable pocket (even a QB as shitty as Sanchez) they're going to find the open receivers. What a dumb move by our coaching staff.

(c) Stubbornness in Play Calling on Offense: the third and final reason I think Gailey helped lose us this game was the game plan on offense. We're not the Saints or Packers. You are not good enough to just sit back in 3 and 4 WR sets in the shotgun and run your regular offense against the Jets and expect it to work. You have to run the ball. You have to use playaction. You have to use screens. You have to use your slot receivers and tight ends. You have to get positive yardage on first down. You can't just stand back there with an average QB and a defense that is very confusing and expect to light them up. It was just stupid by Gailey IMO.

Kudos to Rex Ryan and the Jets coaching staff. Gailey got outcoached badly.


2.) Some Jets Players

(a) Stephen Hill: I know the guy is raw, but he's a load to bring down. Some times when he would catch a pass and people were trying to bring him down I thought it was a tight end. He ran a lot of routs across the middle like a tight end would, and he was very successful. I liked what I saw from Hill.

(b) Jeff Cumberland: I know he wont show up much on the stat sheet yesterday and I dont even think he had many catches, but that guy has talent and can play. I've only seen on here that he is just a blocker, and that's what I envisioned him as, but he's got talent in the receiving game. I've never been a fan of Keller, he's basically a one trick pony, but if Cumberland plays every game like he did yesterday, he's a complete tight end.

(c) Players I Expected to Hear their Name called, but didnt: Where was Coples, Ellis, Maybin, Harris, Thomas and Keller? The Jets got good performances from some unheralded guys instead like Wilson, Cumberland, Kerley, Hill, etc.


3.) My Thoughts on the Bills

(a) Fitzpatrick: The Bills will only go as far as their QB. I put this on Chan Gailey. The situation is very similar to the Jets with Sanchez. With both of these QB's, you cannot make them the focus of the offense. They are average QB's that have limitations that will become exposed the more they are throwing the ball. The only difference is, Rex has not been in denial about and adjusted accordingly. You dont pass the ball like they're Drew Brees, you go to the running game and supplement it with a passing attack. Gailey has yet to realize this, and wants to continue to put Fitzpatrick in a bad position by going to a spread offense with him throwing the ball nearly every play. If we keep our offense revolving around the decisions of Fitz, its going to be a long year. If we smarten up and use him like he's supposed to be used, he can be a good QB.

(b) Schedule and Season: this game was tough to lose because of how bad the schedule is early on this season. Our next 4 games have Kansas City (IMO a top team), New England, and San Francisco. We could easily start the year 1-4 or 1-5 before we start getting to the winnable games.

However, I do still think we can make a wild card spot provided Gailey gets his head out of his ass. The Bills blewout a team on opening day last year and look where it got them. I'm not panicking, its a long season. I still think we will split with the Jets. But if we're going to do it, there needs to be some changes.

I expect a 1-4 or 1-5 record to start, and finish the season around 8-8 to 9-7.


I enjoyed posting on here during the offseason before the matchup. I'll check in every now and then during the season, probably make a post here or there, and I'll be back for the last week against the Jets.

Thanks for coming back after a bad loss! I have a couple of points.

1. I Think Fitz needs to take a lot of credit for the loss. He was throwing into tight coverage all day. There were several plays early when he should have checked down away from the receiver who was covered. I saw him do this early last year without getting burned by it. That is not going to happen this year.

2) Mario Williams had a bad day, he should just have said that after the game. I read yesterday on a buffalo site that they broke down all the plays he questioned and concluded his whining was unwarrented.

3) The jets did a good job of collapsing the pocket around Fitz. he just seemed antsi all day. Coples, Wilk, and Ellis were a big part of that. I just hope they can do the same against Big BEN this week.

4) the Jets need more speed from their LB's, Spiller showed a weakness that they have to fix.

5) The bills secondary was horrible all day. The 2nd and 3rd CB's were so bad you don't even know what you have yet in your number 1 CB yet.

6) Sanchez looked good, He can play better but when given time like he had Sunday. He can play.

7) Hill will make life easier for Holmes as the season goes on.