[BrowningNagle]

Originally Posted by Demosthenes9

Dude, which part did you not understand? NONE of the QBs you mentioned had anywhere near the skill set or abilities that Tebow demonstrated in college.

Guess who did ? Vince Young. #1 pick in the draft IIRC. Isn't he black ? Ergo, your "Tebow cause he's a whitey" line of reasoning is bullshit.

There is so much wrong in this accusational post that its not worth responding too. Enjoy our backup QB though... he looked great last night.

[Demosthenes9]

Originally Posted by BrowningNagle

There is so much wrong in this accusational post that its not worth responding too. Enjoy our backup QB though... he looked great last night.

Then start explaining how/what was wrong in that post.

[BrowningNagle]

Originally Posted by Bannon

No, no. If the numbers were equal to or greater than the numbers, that would count as a candidate. Although the original poster didn't say, when he said no one with numbers equally impressive as Tebow's, he presumably meant "equal to or better than."

So, from the entire field of human beings, anybody that did as well as Tebow in college, or better in terms of numbers, and got ignored -- that would be the question.

I'm not the one who suggested there are any examples --- there clearly are not. The silence is deafening on that point.

There really is no point in arguing with you guys. It's unbelievable. I don't know what would merit a grown man who has never met another man to ignore evidence, reality and twist everything every single argument whether its significant or not so that that man is not shown in a poor light.

Even If I loved Tebow I would admit that he doesn't deserve some of the publicity and opportunities he's gotten. I would recognize outstanding college players like him that weren't given the same opportunities. You aren't saying anything bad about Tebow by doing so, you are just being rational and can just simply say you hope he takes advantage of those opportunities afforded to him.

[JFjets]

Originally Posted by BrowningNagle

Huh? are you trying to tell me those three guys weren't impressive in college? They were awesome too. Nitpicking with the "equally" line is stupid. No two people are exactly equal. Those players all have amazing numbers.

Brad Smith and Pat White have BETTER numbers, if they played at Florida under Urb and with the talent those teams had they probably would have national championships as well. Troy Smith was a winner his whole college career!

Pat White and Troy Smith were both great all-around college players. Brad Smith was a great runner but a below average passer. None of them were close to Tebow caliber of great, though. Just look at the stats, Tebow beats all of them in most of the important statistical categories. Not to mention the Heisman and 2 national championships (and yes, he was a big part of the one during his Freshman year). Troy Smith has the Heisman, but neither of the other two do and none of them have a single national championship, much less two. Troy Smith got multiple playing opportunities in the NFL and just didn't capitalize on them. Pat White didn't know whether he wanted to play baseball or football, plus he had a pretty slight frame, plus I don't recall that he did anything special in the short amount of time he played for the Dolphins. Brad Smith being a below average passer probably had something to do with him not getting a shot as a starting QB in the league.

It's also worth mentioning that Urban Meyer's worst year as a head coach in big boy football (Utah & Florida) was the year that Tim Tebow left for the NFL.

[JFjets]

Originally Posted by BrowningNagle

I provided excellent examples of similar players both number-wise and skill set to Tebow who got nowhere near the amount of publicity and opportunity he has gotten.
WEAK

No, you didn't.

[Bannon]

Originally Posted by BrowningNagle

There really is no point in arguing with you guys. It's unbelievable. I don't know what would merit a grown man who has never met another man to ignore evidence, reality and twist everything every single argument whether its significant or not so that that man is not shown in a poor light.

What evidence? I'm the one that asked for some, only to be told it is somehow mathematically impossible to come up with someone. To which I say, "then why did he say that?"

Even If I loved Tebow I would admit that he doesn't deserve some of the publicity and opportunities he's gotten.

He has gotten publicity he doesn't deserve, far in excess of any reasonable amount of coverage. It's because he's popular and also hated -- both kinds of people are interested in his rise or fall.

I would recognize outstanding college players like him that weren't given the same opportunities.

I just disagree with this. I don't think there any examples in this era.

[Demosthenes9]

Originally Posted by BrowningNagle

There really is no point in arguing with you guys. It's unbelievable. I don't know what would merit a grown man who has never met another man to ignore evidence, reality and twist everything every single argument whether its significant or not so that that man is not shown in a poor light.

Even If I loved Tebow I would admit that he doesn't deserve some of the publicity and opportunities he's gotten. I would recognize outstanding college players like him that weren't given the same opportunities. You aren't saying anything bad about Tebow by doing so, you are just being rational and can just simply say you hope he takes advantage of those opportunities afforded to him.

The frakking problem is that you quite simply DID NOT put forth the names of any QBs who were "like him", that weren't given opportunities.

Furthermore, you completely ignore the guys who were "like him" who DID get opportunities.

Vince freaking Young is a BLACK QB who was the dual threat QB like Tebow was in college. He was a major player in the Heisman race. He won a National Championship at Texas. Lo and behold, he was a TOP DRAFT PICK as a QB.

he alone completely undercuts your entire argument.

[CertifiedClutch]

Originally Posted by Demosthenes9

Comparing him to Rodgers ? yes, no, and sort of.

the mention of Rodgers was to highlight the fact that QBs often come into the NFL unprepared for it and unable to play at a high level. Sometimes, they take a couple of years before they get the hang of things and really start to click.

This is true even for the best QB playing the game today, Aaron Rodgers. He was drafted by GB as the heir to Favre and as such, they did a lot to develop him. McCarthy came in and they even ran a QB camp, yet Rodgers still wasn't ready to start. It's actually a damned good thing that Favre kept doing his back and forth thing as Rodgers looked very bad even in his second year.

WE can all readily agree that Tebow still has issues/problems that he needs to work on. It was pointed out that he stared down his receiver last night. We can all readily name another QB who does that, one with many more NFL starts than Tebow. We could probably also name some other young QBs who do the same thing, it is something that young QBs are noted for. Same with reading defenses. That's something that takes time and experience for most young QBs.

I don't know why it is, but it seems that most of you who criticize Tebow's play are holding him to the standard of a vet QB who's had 50+ starts under his belt. Someone who should already know all this stuff and be fully developed by now.

The kid has had 16 freaking starts in his career, and in his first 2 years in Denver, they didn't actually make his development a top priority.

nobody is comparing him to a vet but you. he still needs to improve on his mechanics and footwork. nbc noted that he releases the ball .47 of a second where as sanchez releases about .10 less. he's got game, heart and he's a winner but i don't think he's a starting QB. jets won't be using him as a qb unless sanchez gets hurt or he completely bombs which i don't see happening. i think he's best suited to play RB or TE because he's an absolute bull to take down.

[Demosthenes9]

Originally Posted by CertifiedClutch

nobody is comparing him to a vet but you. he still needs to improve on his mechanics and footwork. nbc noted that he releases the ball .47 of a second where as sanchez releases about .10 less. he's got game, heart and he's a winner but i don't think he's a starting QB. jets won't be using him as a qb unless sanchez gets hurt or he completely bombs which i don't see happening. i think he's best suited to play RB or TE because he's an absolute bull to take down.

Clutch, most people are indeed comparing him to a Vet. Big complaint from the other night's game was that he stared down the receiver. Shocking huh, Tebow's the only one to ever do that apparently. I mean, guys with 50+ NFL starts don't do such a thing.

Look at most the complaints about Tebow right now. Stares down/locks on primary receiver. Difficulty with progressions. Runs if his first read isn't open. Has trouble reading defensive coverages. Yada, yada, yada. Those are problems that MOST young NFL QBs have. Hell, Sanchez is still developing in regard to a number of them.

But oh no, Tebow is a terrible QB because of these things.

As to his release, if you go through the list of starting NFL QBs, I wouldn't be surprised at all if you found others will a release time similar to Tebow's. BUT, that's a thing that can be rather easily corrected as he's already trimmed off quite a bit of time.

[JFjets]

Originally Posted by CertifiedClutch

nobody is comparing him to a vet but you. he still needs to improve on his mechanics and footwork. nbc noted that he releases the ball .47 of a second where as sanchez releases about .10 less. he's got game, heart and he's a winner but i don't think he's a starting QB. jets won't be using him as a qb unless sanchez gets hurt or he completely bombs which i don't see happening. i think he's best suited to play RB or TE because he's an absolute bull to take down.

Funny, I've never seen that statistic in the box score of NFL football games, especially near the W-L column.

[GoldenShowers]

I didn't realize football was an individual sport. Terrible QBs can be a part of .500 teams. Tebow is a terrible QB.

Again, there have been dozens of highly successful college QBs, who won more in college than Tebow did as starters, who can't play on the next level. For some reason, this good looking Jesus freak gets a massive following for being no better than Matt Leinart.

I doubt there are ANY starting QBs that even come close to the combo of poor release, inability to read defenses, horrendous footwork, and complete inaccuracies throwing.

Tebows QBR was only better than backups who were forced into starting roles, or injured guys. The kid has no business being a starting QB in this league and last nights game was further proof of it.

[joolander]

Originally Posted by JFjets

Funny, I've never seen that statistic in the box score of NFL football games, especially near the W-L column.

Tebow sucks get over it. Mark Sanchez has more wins than Tebow. That should end every argument right there.

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[displacedfan]

Originally Posted by Bannon

No, that was a rare type of interception. Once the play breaks down and the starts running around, he usually makes better decisions.

Collingsworth nailed it -- that was one where he intended to float it over the top and somehow instead threw a low-trajectory rifle bullet. I think that was mechanics related.

The first one (the dropped INT), was just locking on and not seeing the secondary defender.

Yeah, I thought he was a great thrower on the run so was surprised to see that.

The slant was locking on. Those picks from whoever is QBing for us worries me.

Originally Posted by CowboysFan

If you take 1 quarter of the buffalo game away Tebow threw 3 ints in 11 games.

Not to sound confused, but what does that have to do with what you quoted of me? Did you quote the wrong post?

[Bannon]

Originally Posted by displacedfan

Not to sound confused, but what does that have to do with what you quoted of me? Did you quote the wrong post?

I think he's saying that there's not much of a track record of interceptions by Tebow to figure out if he's got a "type" of interception he's must tending to throw. He threw very few by NFL standards.

Most of them I've seen are of the "what the heck was that?" variety.

[CertifiedClutch]

Originally Posted by Demosthenes9

Clutch, most people are indeed comparing him to a Vet. Big complaint from the other night's game was that he stared down the receiver. Shocking huh, Tebow's the only one to ever do that apparently. I mean, guys with 50+ NFL starts don't do such a thing.

Look at most the complaints about Tebow right now. Stares down/locks on primary receiver. Difficulty with progressions. Runs if his first read isn't open. Has trouble reading defensive coverages. Yada, yada, yada. Those are problems that MOST young NFL QBs have. Hell, Sanchez is still developing in regard to a number of them.

But oh no, Tebow is a terrible QB because of these things.

As to his release, if you go through the list of starting NFL QBs, I wouldn't be surprised at all if you found others will a release time similar to Tebow's. BUT, that's a thing that can be rather easily corrected as he's already trimmed off quite a bit of time.

as i've said in the other thread barring any miracle, he's not going to get a chance to start at qb. the jets aren't using him as a qb. they're using him as a wildcat/ special teams player which is what he is. he's at best a backup. yes all of those things are true among young qbs but why do you think the broncos ran so much when he was the qb?

[CertifiedClutch]

Originally Posted by JFjets

Funny, I've never seen that statistic in the box score of NFL football games, especially near the W-L column.

whoever said it was a statistic? it's a big difference from completing a pass to being sacked.

[GoldenShowers]

LOL so now Tebow throws "different types of interceptions".....let me guess, they are the "good kind" of INTs.

This part of the forum should be shut down its a disgrace it's like MTV with gushing little girls over their idol who is a national joke.

[displacedfan]

Originally Posted by Bannon

I think he's saying that there's not much of a track record of interceptions by Tebow to figure out if he's got a "type" of interception he's must tending to throw. He threw very few by NFL standards.

Most of them I've seen are of the "what the heck was that?" variety.

I thought I saw more lock ons than the throw on the run. Lock ons worry me because we know (from his running and throw on the run ability) he can view the field very well so something is making him lock on and not trust his reads

[CowboysFan]

Originally Posted by joolander

Tebow sucks get over it. Mark Sanchez has more wins than Tebow. That should end every argument right there.

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after 3 pre season games (Sanchez has more passing yards, Tebow has more rushing and also has more first downs by the way) neither is exactly setting the world on fire.

[displacedfan]

Originally Posted by CowboysFan

after 3 pre season games (Sanchez has more passing yards, Tebow has more rushing and also has more first downs by the way) neither is exactly setting the world on fire.

ESPN really bring the hard hitting stats like completion percentage, attempts, completions, drops, QBR (the one they invented or the one the NFL uses). Good to see them hard at work