[Big Blocker]

Originally Posted by Revis is your daddy

Ah gotcha. I agree with that. Tebow has no business starting so if Sanchez struggles and for whatever reason Tebow comes in we are not better off.

Even if Sanchez struggles, imo the Jets will be worse off with Tebow starting.

[FriendlyGiantsFan]

Originally Posted by Burnz

Crunch time? Kids a Winner!
Bad OL Kid give effort KNOWING he is injured!
TOXIC flip floping WR's and OL

THE KID IS A FUCKING WINNER! keep him point blank

Be honest now, are you having a stroke as you type this? One of must be...

[JohnnyThaJet]

What on earth is this shit?

[FriendlyGiantsFan]

Originally Posted by The GM

Here's an interesting exercise and something to keep us all busy in this boring offseason for the next few days.
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I have a theory that due to the change in the trade deadline from Week 6 to Week 8, the NFL's trading activity will show a major shift towards the trends that occur near trading deadlines in the NBA and MLB. That trend is that team's who feel that they are playing in a lost season will be trying to sell players to gain draft picks or young players to build around for the next season.

These players, by my theory, will either be players in their contract years, players who have lost their starting jobs, players whose salaries/contracts are way too big for a team not headed to the playoffs, and to a lesser extent veterans in general because what is the point in paying a man big money on a team that sucks.

The teams most desperate to "sell" will be the ones who are 0-7 or 1-6 heading into Week 8 --- these teams' seasons are lost and they will likely need to rebuild in the offseason. Thus draft picks are better than expendable players or big contracts, especially for frugal owners. (Previously, the worst a team could go into the trading deadline was 0-5 and even then there was a chance you could end 9-7 and make the playoffs. More likely you were 1-4 and 2-3 and you had no idea if you were out or not. 0-7, 1-6, and 2-5 are much clearer indications that you are out especially since there are only 9 games left vs. 11 games left under the previous rule).
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For this exercise, if our QB play is atrocious coming out of Week 7 but our team is still in the hunt thanks to our great defense...we could possibly be buyers of a QB for a team that is "selling." I've compiled a list of teams likely to be selling at the deadline and players of interest on each team that are most likely deemed to be "sellable", but I have not done it yet for the QB position because in most cases if you are that bad it is in large part because of the QB. There are a few interesting circumstances however that we should look at:

QB Matt Flynn, Seattle Seahawks. The 49ers should once again own the NFC West, and it's very possible the Seahawks pile up losses early. The Rams could emerge under Fisher with a much improved defense and it's possible the Cardinals can win some games thanks to their skill position players on offense (not QB) and their defense. The most interesting part of this one scenario is that Flynn has not pulled out into the de-facto starting QB role yet. Perhaps he will in training camp, but I still don't think that's a sure thing. I don't think that mainly because Pete Carroll never seemed on board with this signing -- it was a GM decision to get Flynn after he was passed on by other teams and he was signed for a multi-year but reasonable deal for what could be a "franchise QB". Carroll still loves T-Jax and LOVES Russell Wilson even more. To give a 3rd round rookie QB 1st team reps in an even carousel with Flynn and T-Jax says a lot about how Carroll views Wilson -- as a starter sooner rather than later (perhaps after one season on the bench).
If the Seahawks are floundering near the trade deadline, Carrol and Co. may opt to put Flynn on the block and try to pick up a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick and begin building a contender around Russell Wilson. If Flynn is floundering or has lost -- or has never gained -- the starting job after Week 7, then the Seahawks will almost definitely be selling him even if the team is in prime playoff position. And the price will be much lower. This is a situation to monitor. Flynn is lightyears better than a floundering Sanchez and Tebow and could excel with weapons like Holmes, Hill, Schilens, and Keller. Our arsenal is a little GB like in what we can do, with Holmes in Greg Jennings' role, Hill in Jordy Nelson's role, Schilens in James Jones' role, and Keller in Jermichael Finley's role.
We want to run mainly anyway and then let the QB be a game manager, and Flynn seems like a perfect guy to do just that.
Price: A 3rd round pick should do it if the season is in the tubes, and as low as a 5th round pick should secure his services if he is overtaken by TJax or Wilson.

QB Matt Hasselback, Tennessee Titans. The Titans could also find themselves in hot water coming out of Week 7. The Texans' own this division, and it's possible that Andrew Luck and the Colts can have a nice start like Matt Ryan did as a rookie with the Falcons or Mark Sanchez did once upon a time with the Jets as a rookie. I'm not ready to automatically rule out the Jaguars simply because their skill position players are now elite all the way around with Justin Blackmon, Laurent Robinson, and Lee Evans/Mike Thomas in slot, MJD and Rashad Jennings at RB, and Marcedes Lewis at TE. Their O-line is healthy and if Mike Mularkey can get Gabbert to remain poised in the pocket like he got Matt Ryan (Mularkey came from Atlanta) to in his 2nd season, then the Jaguars could surprise a lot of people.
If the Titans are 2-5 and looking like they have a much better shot at finishing in the bottom of the AFC South than making a playoff push, then they will likely be looking to "sell" quite a few players to gain draft picks to build around last year's 1st rounder Jake Locker. It is also possible that Locker overtakes Hasselback before Week 8, in which case the Titans may be willing to sell Hasselback for the right price regardless of their playoff standing. Probably a little less willing to trade him if they are firmly in the playoff hunt since he'd be a crucial backup QB if Locker ever went down. If Locker overtakes him AND their season is in the tubes, then he could be had for peanuts.
Hasselback has always been a game managing QB, and I'd trust him to manage this offense for a season or two and still have a shot at advancing deep in the playoffs until we find our new franchise QB. He'd have better receiving weapons than he's had in a while with Holmes, Hill, and Keller mainly, but also Schilens and Kerley as role guys.
Price: A 4th round pick if Locker never overtakes him but the season is still lost or if Locker overtakes him and they are in the playoff hunt, but as low as a 7th round pick if Locker overtakes him AND the season is lost.

QB Kevin Kolb, Arizona Cardinals. Not as inspiring as the top two, but the Cardinals could definitely be a team that falters early on in 2012. Despite having Fitz and Floyd at WR and Beanie and Williams at RB, the QB play has been a big question mark and could hold the team back. For that reason we may want to avoid this situation, but if our QB play is holding us back it is very plausible that Kolb would be an upgrade on Sanchez/Tebow. Kolb is locked in his own battle with John Skelton right now, but all reports suggest that he will open the season as the starter barring injury or an absolutely horrendous offseason -- the Cards don't want to close the book on the Kolb experiment just yet without giving him a chance to prove himself in games.
If he proves to be a liability in Arizona and if the team starts in a 1-6 or 2-5 hole, then they should definitely be moving to John Skelton by Week 8 or sooner. In this scenario, Kolb will be worth mere pennies due to the team's record and his contract. For that reason this trade is a little tricky because in a short amount of time to get things done we'd have to get Kolb to restructure his deal. I do remember reading something that the Cardinals already paid most of the guaranteed money, so we may not have to, but I am unsure. This is a little less appealing because Kolb is a QB who has yet to really prove himself, and we'd be trading for him because the Kolb experiment blew up in Arizona. He'd be the cheapest of the 4 real options I'm listing though, so it's low risk high reward.
Kolb could feasibly succeed in NY because Sparano would ask him to lean on the running game, and we'd manipulate him to the best of our abilities to get the ball to Holmes, Hill, and Keller in spots that he is comfortable with. Kolb can at least make the throws which is something that Sanchez regularly struggles with. The light could also flip on in New York playing for Rex Ryan vs. playing in a QB battle in Arizona under the strict Whisenhunt.
Price: If the Cardinals season is lost but Kolb showed to be pretty good, a 6th round pick should get it done. If Kolb was horrendous heading into the Week 8 deadline than a 7th round pick should get it done. If Skelton wins the battle before the season starts and Kolb is the backup, then his price would be a little higher because either they are doing well and they want to keep a QB as a backup for their playoff chances or Skelton does poorly and they then bench him for Kolb. If they are in the hunt, the price could jump to a 4th if they are comfortable with another backup or he could be off the block. If Skelton is benched and the season is lost, a 5th round pick should make it a deal.

Ok, so while I don't agree with the idea that the Jets could trade for a QB midseason and that this QB could take them to the playoffs, I DO think that it might not be a bad idea to look at any one of these guys as a future investment. If they can be had on the cheap and might help the team next year then I think you should absolutely make the trade.

The guy that interests me the most is Kapernick as I think he's got the most talent out of all of them. Hasselback is the one that could help right the ship immediately if the Jets needed QB help ASAP though.

[Biggs]

We don't need no stinkin QB play. Ground and pound baby.

[Barcs]

If Sanchez has a terrible year, they MIGHT start Tebow. They aren't going to go through some ridiculous trading scenerio in an attempt to fix the already lost season. If he starts that bad, Tebow will play. I just don't see that happening though. I love how so many people are banking on his failure this year.

[Big Blocker]

Originally Posted by Barcs

If Sanchez has a terrible year, they MIGHT start Tebow. They aren't going to go through some ridiculous trading scenerio in an attempt to fix the already lost season. If he starts that bad, Tebow will play. I just don't see that happening though. I love how so many people are banking on his failure this year.

Not sure what you mean by banking on his failure.

But I would not be banking on his success, either, if by that you mean betting the rent on it or some other measure of virtual certainty. The fact is that most people around the league are skeptical of Sanchez. We should be, too.

[The GM]

Originally Posted by Barcs

If Sanchez has a terrible year, they MIGHT start Tebow. They aren't going to go through some ridiculous trading scenerio in an attempt to fix the already lost season. If he starts that bad, Tebow will play. I just don't see that happening though. I love how so many people are banking on his failure this year.

It wouldn't be our lost season, the premise is that one of the listed teams is playing in a lost season and thus are looking to sell veteran pieces to gain draft picks and rebuild in the offseason.

The Seahawks would not need or want Matt Flynn if they are 1-6, and would rather gain a mid round pick and move forward with Wilson as the QB in 2013. He'd then have an extra weapon or OL, or a better defense, thanks to the extra pick.

Flynn on the other hand would be an upgrade on Sanchez is he is playing like shit. If we are 4-3 but Sanchez has thrown 10 TDs and 20 INTs in that time, then it stands to reason that our team will be much better with Flynn at QB instead of Sanchez. In this case we are winning in spite of our horrific QB play and are still in the hunt. So adding a veteran option like Flynn, or Hasselback, who could lead our ground and pound offense is a smart move. Then we either look to make a RG3 trade up in the offseason if it's for a 1 year rental like Hasselback or cut Sanchez loose and roll with Flynn if Flynn performs well. We can then use Sanchez's 10+ mil a year on other needs....like a RB, OT, OLB, or S.

[Barcs]

Originally Posted by The GM

It wouldn't be our lost season, the premise is that Flynn on the other hand would be an upgrade on Sanchez is he is playing like shit. If we are 4-3 but Sanchez has thrown 10 TDs and 20 INTs in that time, then it stands to reason that our team will be much better with Flynn at QB instead of Sanchez. In this case we are winning in spite of our horrific QB play and are still in the hunt. So adding a veteran option like Flynn, or Hasselback, who could lead our ground and pound offense is a smart move. Then we either look to make a RG3 trade up in the offseason if it's for a 1 year rental like Hasselback or cut Sanchez loose and roll with Flynn if Flynn performs well. We can then use Sanchez's 10+ mil a year on other needs....like a RB, OT, OLB, or S.

Flynn has started a grand total of what? 3 NFL games? Most of his play is in garbage time. You'd take a complete question mark like that over a guy that has 3 years experience, including 6 playoff starts? Even if Sanchez struggles, I doubt he gets benched unless he plays abysmally and magically regresses back to rookie year level of play. I just don't see that happening, but it will depend on many factors, including the o-line, and the running game. The development of Hill is critical as well. This kind of speculation is useless, though. If the team struggles, will should THEN analyze what is going wrong and how to fix, rather than guessing about hypothetical scenarios of one possible thing that could go wrong. We are fine at QB, and people have been over analyzing that crap about Sanchez since the season ended. It's time to move on and look forward to next year.

[blEEdgrEEnaLLyEEr]

First off I wanna say that I hope Sanchez doesn't struggle, but even if he's having a somewhat decent year, he's a better QB then most of the people
On that list. Moore, and Flynn being the ones that might outplay him. Idk about Flynn, but I've seen Moore play against the Jets twice. He def has all the tools to become a solid starter. He makes some amazing throws, his mechanics are good and he's built extremely well. This is the only QB I'd "buy" if Sanchez was a complete failure, which I highly doubt that he will fail. And the reason for my doubt is simply because of what I've seen out of him in person so far. I was at the minicamp on Wednesday, and he looked pretty good. Now I know this is camp but his confidence looked good, he was poised, and he threw hard, accurately and with assurance. On top of that, he was in great shape. Put on some muscle, hes looking really healthy, and thick. Unlike the previous 2 years that I saw him. So even though this was a very long write up, with a lot of if's and different scenarios, I don't think well be looking for a QB in week 8. Then again. This is just my personal opinion, and I'm in no way an expert of any sort.

[Royce Parker]

This is Mark's make-or-break year - period. Whether he would be replaced by Tebow, McElroy or some mid-season saviour it really doesn't matter. Either Sanchez takes the next step forward this season or it's back to square one.

I don't have pie in the sky expectations for Sanchez this year, but I also think it's unlikely that he totally flops and loses his job. I'm really excited to see how this all pans out come September. GO JETS!!