[KurtTheJetsFan]

Originally Posted by Jets1Zero

Congratulations, this is the stupidest argument I've ever heard.

Seriously...alot of inbreeding going on in upstate god's country..that's for sure. They'll be back on the thorozine by Thanksgiving. No matter.

[BrowningNagle]

Originally Posted by Jets1Zero

Congratulations, this is the stupidest argument I've ever heard.

Don't you know the entire city of NY is the only place that cares about their offensive guard? Don't you remember all those people occupying Zuccotti Park with their laptops getting people to vote for Brandon Moore's Pro Bowl campaign??

Poor Kraig Urpik he's at such a disadvantage with the 99% against him...

[NFL]

Correct me if Im wrong, but wasn't Sparano an O-Line coach? So I'm sure that whoever starts RT next year will be better than this seasons. Also he can help our entire line cus if you really think about it, no one on the line did good this past season other than probably Moore.

[Bills Over Jets]

Originally Posted by KurtTheJetsFan

Really? Cause the jets had 3 pro bowlers..not 2. Moore,Brick & Mangold all made it.

Quit talking out of your ass.

I do not consider Moore elite, I don't care that he was voted in a popularity contest. People have been voted in because of their name when fans don't even watch them play. O-Line is the biggest example of that.

IMO, there's not even a question that Levitre and Wood are better. The real question is, is Urbik or Rinehart better?

Jets fans will say no. I will say yes.

[Big Blocker]

We should concede that Moore's going to the Pro Bowl as an alternate did not mean he is an elite OG. Slighty to somewhat above average, but also showing his age.

[KurtTheJetsFan]

Originally Posted by Bills Over Jets

I do not consider Moore elite, I don't care that he was voted in a popularity contest. People have been voted in because of their name when fans don't even watch them play. O-Line is the biggest example of that.

IMO, there's not even a question that Levitre and Wood are better. The real question is, is Urbik or Rinehart better?

Jets fans will say no. I will say yes.

You've provided NOTHING tangible to support your argument other than suggesting that it's a popularity contest & that you personally think the Bills players are better.

I'm not even sure why I'm wasting my time. You clearly are here for the wrong reasons...& Jet fans should have no pity on your mickey mouse franchise. Can't wait for our annual sweep of your second class town's excuse for a football team.

[Bills Over Jets]

Originally Posted by KurtTheJetsFan

You've provided NOTHING tangible to support your argument other than suggesting that it's a popularity contest & that you personally think the Bills players are better.

I'm not even sure why I'm wasting my time. You clearly are here for the wrong reasons...& Jet fans should have no pity on your mickey mouse franchise. Can't wait for our annual sweep of your second class town's excuse for a football team.

Here are some things tangible.

From ESPN:

Analysis: Levitre was one of the most impressive offensive linemen I watched all season in the AFC East. He was the only player in the division to start at three positions -- tackle, guard and center -- in 2011. Center was the only position Levitre had problems with, but he is a very good guard and tackle. Versatility is his biggest strength. Levitre also is 25 and will only get better.

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From Pro Football Focus, one of the most respected websites around, saying that Levitre should be in the pro bowl.

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Happy now?

[jerseyjay14]

can someone explain to me again why we are discussing the bills and their cast of horrific players in a jets draft thread???

[Bills Over Jets]

Originally Posted by jerseyjay14

can someone explain to me again why we are discussing the bills and their cast of horrific players in a jets draft thread???

Hate to break it to you, but it's not 2007 anymore. Look at their roster.

[Big Blocker]

It is obnoxious when fans of other teams hijack important threads about the Jets to talk about how great their shitty little team is.

[Catt_County]

Originally Posted by Catt_County

Yeah, he is, and he's considerably better than the two QBs the Jests have, especially your hero, Timmie. You keep your hopes pinned on the Jests running the "option O" ... they'll be in the Barf for Barkley sweepstakes for most of the season.

Originally Posted by displacedfan

Funny how Sanchez threw for more TDs and less picks than Fitz. Also funny how Sanchez was 2-0 vs Fitz this year. I think the funniest part is your QB went for 12 TDs and 17 INTs after his big contract and went 2-8 to finish the season

Actually, if you could read for comprehension, you'd notice that I was addressing a Tebot and his obsession with the option "O" as he calls it. I bolded it for you.

Originally Posted by Royce Parker

Your whole team is a pile of shit.

At least the Bills don't have Jabba the Jest as their HC.

Originally Posted by KurtTheJetsFan

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You are talking out of your ass & are here solely to ruffle feathers. Too bad the team you root for is an irrelevant joke who will be their usual after thought sometime around Thanksgiving this coming season.

A good year for O-linemen?? Really? This was one of the worst drafts in recent memory for O-linemen. Kalil is far from a perfect OT prospect & went top 5 solely due to supply/demand. In any other draft he is top 20 maybe. Reilly Reiff is solid but unspectaculatr. He doesn't have any elite physical qualities and already has close to perfect technique. Where's the upside? He wasn't a dominant linemen in college..so what exactly did the Jets miss out on other than a plug and play RT with average long term projection?

Decastro made sense but how can you fault the Jets for going with their board? They had Coples rated higher. I don't see the error in that. Coples could be a day 1 starter. Does Decastro beat out Moore who was a pro bowler last year? I'm not so sure.

Are you trying to rub our face's in the fact that you drafted O-linemen & the jets didn't? Because post draft, the jets STILL have a significantly superior OL than do the Bills..and it isn't even CLOSE. The jets have one position that is a weak link...the Bills entire LINE is a weak link.

Get out of here with this crap.

There were a lot of quality OLers in this draft. You can choose NOT to believe that if you want, but that's the consensus of the "media experts" as well as the NFL GMs who did the choosing. In addition to Kalil, Rieff went in the first, and Pitt scooped up DeCastro, considered the best guard prospect to come out of college in about a decade. Two more OTs, Glenn and Martin, went in the first ten picks in round two.

Furthermore, I never said the the Bills had a good OL. In fact, their OTs sucked last year which is why they went heavy with OL in the draft. The Jets' guards are older and/or mediocre. Last season I think both were hurt at least part of the year, and the Jets' depth was woeful. DeCastro would have been a major upgrade who would have helped the running game because he plays right guard, and most teams are "right handed". In other words, the Jets passed on a great talent because they thought they needed a DE with questionable motivation more.

Originally Posted by Zach

Look.

Bills allowed the least amount of sacks last season. (23) Fitzpatrick took 22 of it.

And what did that protection lead you to? Oh, by the way, Sanchez was sacked 39 times last season, but threw MORE TD passes (Sanchez: 26, Fitzpatrick:24) and LESS interceptions (Sanchez: 18, Fitzpatrick: 23) than your QB, despite the public enemy and moron #1 named Brian Schottenheimer and the constant pressure he had to deal with all season long.

The Bills offense was specifically designed to minimize poor OT play. Fitzpatrick was only sacked 22 times because he used 3 step drops and got rid of the ball fast. That meant that the Bills couldn't use longer developing plays, so their playbook was limited. Until other teams figured out what the Bills were doing -- for about the first 7 or 8 games -- their offense sailed along. The lesson here is that gimmick offenses don't work for long in the NFL, which brings me to this:

Originally Posted by Zach

If Jets are in for Barf for Barkley sweepstakes with this kind of performances, what does that mean for your team then?

Again, read my post about Barf for Barkley at the beginning of this post again. I was responding to the Tebot who is obsessed with the Jets running an option offense to accommodate Tebow. Do you really think the Jets, or any NFL team, would succeed running the option as their base offense for long?

[displacedfan]

QUOTE=Catt_County;2485680]Actually, if you could read for comprehension, you'd notice that I was addressing a Tebot and his obsession with the option "O" as he calls it. I bolded it for you.[/QUOTE]

you serious? If you could please go back and read what I quoted, you clearly said Fitz was better than the two QBs the Jets have. If you were referring to McElroy and Tebow I made a bad assumption but I have a feelin lg you meant Sanchez and Tebow thus I can read for comprehension and looks like you don't even know what you type. It's probably a good idea to reread your own words and understand the implications before calling out someone else about them.

I was referring to thenfirst sentence of this "Yeah, he is, and he's considerably better than the two QBs the Jests have,especially your hero, Timmie. You keep your hopes pinned on the Jests running the "option O" ... they'll be in the Barf for Barkley sweepstakes for most of the season."

[Franchize]

If we somehow get a pass rushing OLB and a safety, I'll feel alot better about this offseason. Right now, I feel liek we got good players that fill needs that weren't as pressing as others.

[Biggs]

Originally Posted by Catt_County

There were a lot of quality OLers in this draft. You can choose NOT to believe that if you want, but that's the consensus of the "media experts" as well as the NFL GMs who did the choosing. In addition to Kalil, Rieff went in the first, and Pitt scooped up DeCastro, considered the best guard prospect to come out of college in about a decade. Two more OTs, Glenn and Martin, went in the first ten picks in round two.

There are many ways to build a football team. The Jets, like the Bills don't have a great QB. What the Jets do have is a fantastic secondary. You can make a strong argument that putting guys in front of Revis and Cro who will disrupt will pay bigger dividends than putting another young lineman in front of a second tier QB.

The Jets have chosen to build an elite D and push the oppositions D away from the LOS with outside speed. There is nothing wrong with that approach particularly when you have 2 1st round top tier NFL players on your OL, a very good right guard and some young developing players to fill out RT and back up along the LOS.

Most experts and NFL GM's are second rate guys who have done nothing when it comes to evaluating or developing talent. There are a handful of guys who consistently evaluate and develop talent.

You're second guessing just like the rest of us. I feel for you, you support a team that doesn't have one of those handfulls of great GM's and HC. We may not either but the facts are we have been more competitive and have fielded a more complete team than the Bills for years.

[Zach]

Originally Posted by Catt_County

The Bills offense was specifically designed to minimize poor OT play. Fitzpatrick was only sacked 22 times because he used 3 step drops and got rid of the ball fast. That meant that the Bills couldn't use longer developing plays, so their playbook was limited. Until other teams figured out what the Bills were doing -- for about the first 7 or 8 games -- their offense sailed along. The lesson here is that gimmick offenses don't work for long in the NFL, which brings me to this:

1. You speak like Gailey's offense was one-trick pony that couldn't pull its head out once the tricks are figured out. He made a very good production out of a perennial backup QB, unlike some you-know-who, who RUINED the HoF calibre QBs year in and year out.

2. Don't think the entire Jets fan base is drooling over that option shit Teebo brings. Teebo is just like Jeremy Lin - both can't make plays either with their head or their arms so they have to rely on their legs. That is such a crippling limitation regardless of what sports you play. You had better hope Jets stick to Teebo as long as they can - Jets will suck big time as long as that happens.

[dmarz45]

Bills fans you have nothing to brag about. You havent made the playoffs in over a decade and dont think much is gonna change this season just because you signed 1 DE. GTFOH you guys are hilarious.

and stop bragging about your Oline... The Jets have 3 pro bowlers and the Bills have none. woulda.. shoulda... coulda.. YOU HAVE NO PRO BOWL LINEMAN SO STFU!!! end of story. you suck. go fuck yourself. I dont understand how these guys dont get banned for trolling??

[LeonNYJ]

Three big holes, eh?
*butthead laugh*

[Big Blocker]

Originally Posted by Zach

1. You speak like Gailey's offense was one-trick pony that couldn't pull its head out once the tricks are figured out. He made a very good production out of a perennial backup QB, unlike some you-know-who, who RUINED the HoF calibre QBs year in and year out.

2. Don't think the entire Jets fan base is drooling over that option shit Teebo brings. Teebo is just like Jeremy Lin - both can't make plays either with their head or their arms so they have to rely on their legs. That is such a crippling limitation regardless of what sports you play. You had better hope Jets stick to Teebo as long as they can - Jets will suck big time as long as that happens.

I just have to hope that the Jets in fact will make very little use of the option. I wish I could tell myself that is true. As it is we just have to hope, that and hope that Sanchez does not crap the bed again this year.

[nyJETS0511]

if you could put the time and mental energy spent on this thread together,,you could have developed the next APPLE

[typeOnegative13NY]

You should ask your friends. They've got an idea on how to fill holes