[MURDR]

Just wanted to take a poll and ask this question to view people's opinions and have a few friendly debates, and not only see who people are voting for, but why.

Anyways, the candidate I'm voting for is Ron Paul. I could post a huge long article on why I feel he's the best candidate, however, I'll just list some of his stances on some important issues, and my thoughts on them. All of these stances are from his official campaign website.

Abortion

Paul: He feels as though life starts at conception, and thus he believes that those lives need to be protected. He is very pro-life, and feels as though the power to ban or legalize abortion should lie within the states.

Me: This is one of the few points I disagree on. While I certainly feels he is far and away the best candidate we have had in years, there still are things I will disagree with him on. I feel as though abortions should be legalized, and to take it a step further, we should promote neoeugenics. Look at the "best answer" on this yahoo! Answers question. This is a solution I feel would do more good than harm, and pretty much sums up what I believe.

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Healthcare

Paul: Dr. Paul believes that healthcare is not a right, and he wants to repeal Obamacare. He guarantees that funds taken from taxpayers for Medicare and Medicaid would be used for those purposes, and those purposes only. He wants to limit the FDA and FTC's power, so they could not infringe upon our rights to seek information about and have access to alternative medicines and dietary supplements. Lastly, he would let citizens purchase health insurance across state lines, and promotes privatizing healthcare.

Me: Can't really elaborate much on this, I think Dr. Paul hit the nail on the head with everything.

I'll post the rest of the issues later (as my hands are getting tired of typing LOL) once some people start participating.

[hiker]

I'll vote for Romney because he is an ultra-successful businessman with no ideological agenda who will run this country as a CEO. And I know most of you disagree, lets get that out there ahead of time.

[MURDR]

Originally Posted by hiker

I'll vote for Romney because he is an ultra-successful businessman with no ideological agenda who will run this country as a CEO. And I know most of you disagree, lets get that out there ahead of time.

That's fine, I have no problem with that, as my whole family loves Romney, but just wondering what specifically do you like about his economic plan?

[Zach]

I hate those CEO type folks running the country like a big fucking conglomerate. No, a country is a country and not a conglomerate. They stand on very different premises. You are not trying to squeeze as much profit out of the people as possible as a president, for one thing.

On top of that, I know one very successful CEO who became a president of a country. He is Lee Myung Bak of South Korea. See how much Koreans love that dumb fuck. (Paul's businessman aura lost the luster on me to say the very least.)

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That said, I will go with Obama, for the lack of a better alternative. Republicans can all burn in hell - they are not getting my vote under any circumstances.

[BeastBeach]

Originally Posted by Zach

I hate those CEO type folks running the country like a big fucking conglomerate. No, a country is a country and not a conglomerate. They stand on very different premises. You are not trying to squeeze as much profit out of the people as possible as a president, for one thing.

On top of that, I know one very successful CEO who became a president of a country. He is Lee Myung Bak of South Korea. See how much Koreans love that dumb fuck. (Paul's businessman aura lost the luster on me to say the very least.)

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That said, I will go with Obama, for the lack of a better alternative. Republicans can all burn in hell - they are not getting my vote under any circumstances.

I can't stand the "I've run a business and America is the biggest business" approach either. It is a stupid argument

[Big Blocker]

Originally Posted by BeastBeach

I can't stand the "I've run a business and America is the biggest business" approach either. It is a stupid argument

It certainly is.

Btw Herbert Hoover was a very successful businessman. Heh.

[Zach]

Originally Posted by Big Blocker

It certainly is.

Btw Herbert Hoover was a very successful businessman. Heh.

He may have been. But was he a good president BECAUSE he was a good businessman? That's the question which begs answering. The answer, obviously, is NO.

On top of that, Hoover is responsible for increasing the top tax bracket from 25% to 63%, AND increasing the corporate tax. [And he is a republican too.] It's well known fact that most of the measures FDR took came straight from the things Hoover planned.

In other words, he is a true conservative that would do anything within his power to do the right things. [Raise tax? In the richest 10%? In today's world? As a republican? You'd get a very good laughter out of that.]

[displacedfan]

I am not sure. I need to see and hear more from Obama and Romney. I'm not confident that if either person wins in 4 years the country will be better. Maybe one of them will make a stand and have and show from confidence, but currently I really don't know. I just don't have a confidence in either one. I guess right now I might be slightly Obama just so in 4 years there is no incumbent and we get a "fresh crop" of president hopefuls. So either way I vote, it might be who I think will hurt the country the least not who can it help it the most.

I don't know why, but I am really pessimistic for this presidential election and both parties in general. Both party members in Congress just seem to vote for what their party says, not what they truly believe in. It seems like people think if you support one party, you cannot under any circumstance help the other party. I find it hard to believe everyone in Congress is 100% for all their parties' ideologies.

Sorry to turn this depressing, but right now I don't have confidence in either one.

[MURDR]

Originally Posted by displacedfan

I am not sure. I need to see and hear more from Obama and Romney. I'm not confident that if either person wins in 4 years the country will be better. Maybe one of them will make a stand and have and show from confidence, but currently I really don't know. I just don't have a confidence in either one. I guess right now I might be slightly Obama just so in 4 years there is no incumbent and we get a "fresh crop" of president hopefuls. So either way I vote, it might be who I think will hurt the country the least not who can it help it the most.

I don't know why, but I am really pessimistic for this presidential election and both parties in general. Both party members in Congress just seem to vote for what their party says, not what they truly believe in. It seems like people think if you support one party, you cannot under any circumstance help the other party. I find it hard to believe everyone in Congress is 100% for all their parties' ideologies.

Sorry to turn this depressing, but right now I don't have confidence in either one.

So why vote for either of them if you don't have confidence in them? As long as people continue to vote for the "lesser of two evils", there will never truly be any change.

[deathstar]

Originally Posted by MURDR

So why vote for either of them if you don't have confidence in them? As long as people continue to vote for the "lesser of two evils", there will never truly be any change.

There can't ever be real change since Congress is so easily bribed with lobbyists and their money...

The health care lobby vs the defense lobby fight should be awesome to see in the upcoming decade...

It doesn't matter who gets elected in the end to Congress since $$$ will always sway their vote...It seems they govern 5% of the time, the rest is smoozing with lobbyists, etc...

[displacedfan]

Originally Posted by MURDR

So why vote for either of them if you don't have confidence in them? As long as people continue to vote for the "lesser of two evils", there will never truly be any change.

Because if I vote for the lesser of the two evils it will help stop the greater evil from getting in power.

How can change occur if I don't vote at all?

[MURDR]

Originally Posted by deathstar

Obama again, main reason is I don't want another useless war...GOP is lusting for a war with Iran...

That was my deciding factor in 2008.

Romney would benefit my family immensely...but the cost would be to ordinary folks having to pay more taxes...I'm not that greedy like the GOP billionaires.

You realize Obama started wars as well, right?

Originally Posted by deathstar

There can't ever be real change since Congress is so easily bribed with lobbyists and their money...

The health care lobby vs the defense lobby fight should be awesome to see in the upcoming decade...

It doesn't matter who gets elected in the end to Congress since $$$ will always sway their vote...It seems they govern 5% of the time, the rest is smoozing with lobbyists, etc...

Yes, there CAN be change. People just need to wake up and realize that they don't have to give in to the lesser of two evils, and that evil is reliant on our civil obedience. We are a sovereignty, and we outnumber the government by a lot. They cannot function without us.

Originally Posted by displacedfan

Because if I vote for the lesser of the two evils it will help stop the greater evil from getting in power.

How can change occur if I don't vote at all?

Why should you be forced to vote for the lesser of two evils? There are plenty of candidates you could write-in.

[deathstar]

Originally Posted by MURDR

You realize Obama started wars as well, right?

Huh?

Haven't seen a trillion dollar war with thousands of troops killed this administration...

[displacedfan]

Originally Posted by MURDR

Why should you be forced to vote for the lesser of two evils? There are plenty of candidates you could write-in.

Honest question, what are the chances of my write in winning or even sending a message to the two parties? Slim to none I am guessing.

If there becomes a huge push for a legitimate write in that could potential win then maybe, but until then the president is coming from Romney or Obama not a write in.

What change can happen from putting in a write in if it doesn't make a difference?

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

Originally Posted by MURDR

You realize Obama started wars as well, right?

Yes, there CAN be change. People just need to wake up and realize that they don't have to give in to the lesser of two evils, and that evil is reliant on our civil obedience. We are a sovereignty, and we outnumber the government by a lot. They cannot function without us.

Why should you be forced to vote for the lesser of two evils? There are plenty of candidates you could write-in.

Can you name the wars Obama started? I must have overslept and missed the news on the days that he "started" these wars.

[deathstar]

Obama again, main reason is I don't want another useless war...GOP is lusting for a war with Iran...

That was my deciding factor in 2008.

Romney would benefit my family immensely...but the cost would be to ordinary folks having to pay more taxes...I'm not that greedy like the GOP billionaires.

[JohnnyThaJet]

Not sure many people will vote on the poll because its public.

Anyway, I'm not exactly sure right now. This will be the first election I have ever voted in and I'm still talking time to decide who I truly want rather than listening to others views.

Some places I lean toward Romney, others I lean toward Paul, and occasionally Obama. Although I will say I'm not very happy at all with what Obama has done over the last four years.

[MURDR]

Originally Posted by JohnnyThaJet

Not sure many people will vote on the poll because its public.

Well, to be fair, the point is for people to explain why they're voting for their candidate, so their opinion will be public anyways.

[JohnnyThaJet]

Originally Posted by MURDR

Well, to be fair, the point is for people to explain why they're voting for their candidate, so their opinion will be public anyways.

True, but I would assume it would be a half and half process within the thread, meaning those who want to explain will do so while others will cast their vote and split.

[displacedfan]

Originally Posted by JohnnyThaJet

Not sure many people will vote on the poll because its public.

Anyway, I'm not exactly sure right now. This will be the first election I have ever voted in and I'm still talking time to decide who I truly want rather than listening to others views.

Some places I lean toward Romney, others I lean toward Paul, and occasionally Obama. Although I will say I'm not very happy at all with what Obama has done over the last four years.

I'm in the same boat as you. First election, and scarttered support for each candidate.