[LongTimeJetsFan]

One of our favorite ways to keep tabs on what’s happening in New England has to be the Boston Herald’s Rap Sheet. And in a post this morning on the free agency moves the Patriots have made so far, Ian Rapoport discusses players the Patriots won’t bring back in 2012. Included one the list?

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So while it was painful for fans to see The Dean and the Jets to part ways in 2011 (and not only part ways, but go to the Patriots) it looks as if the Jets had the right of it. In the past few seasons, the Jets have tried to adhere to a ”year too early, versus a year too late” policy when it comes to their veterans. Alan Faneca comes to mind as well as a few other players before Ellis. According to Rap, it’s been proven out again with the longtime Jets defensive lineman.

While the Jets missed Ellis’s leadership and some production at the start of the season, Wilkerson stepped right in and played solidly as a rookie alongside DeVito and Pouha. Affording Wilkerson the freedom to start right from the beginning of his career was huge, and will pay great dividends for the Jets in the next few years now that he’ll get to have the benefit of a full offseason program to work on his strength training and his technique, coupled with his still very young athleticism.

Of course the next question is … would the Jets bring Ellis back now? I don’t think the Jets would have need to to at this point. The Jets have a growing depth at the position with players like Dixon, Kenrick Ellis and Ropati, so adding a veteran salary might not be the wisest move for the team … unless they had some injuries and did so once the season was underway. Then any money Ellis would get wouldn’t have to be guaranteed for the year, but rather on a game by game basis.

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[Jake]

But where is the loyalty? Who cares if he's no longer productive? Gotta show loyalty.

/idiots

[xjets2002x]

Originally Posted by Jake

But where is the loyalty? Who cares if he's no longer productive? Gotta show loyalty.

/idiots

The Jets were plenty loyal. Over the course of his career they paid him many millions of dollars for production.

During the Parcells era, and specifically after, the Jets got in a lot of trouble giving out reward contracts and overpaying for guys who had left their prime in another city. You don't do it. Certainly, the Jets could have offered Ellis slightly more, but they had no obligation to overpay.

-X-

[Jake]

Originally Posted by xjets2002x

The Jets were plenty loyal. Over the course of his career they paid him many millions of dollars for production.

During the Parcells era, and specifically after, the Jets got in a lot of trouble giving out reward contracts and overpaying for guys who had left their prime in another city. You don't do it. Certainly, the Jets could have offered Ellis slightly more, but they had no obligation to overpay.

-X-

Sarcasm.

filla

[PatsFanTX]

Originally Posted by Jake

But where is the loyalty? Who cares if he's no longer productive? Gotta show loyalty.

/idiots

This right here.

Jets made the right move with Ellis. Loyalty has no place in the NFL, only productivity.

Hell, if the Jets were loyal to Ellis, they would have signed him for another 2 or 3 years, just like they did with Marvin Jones and Mo Lewis.

[GRNYT]

Originally Posted by PatsFanTX

This right here.

Jets made the right move with Ellis. Loyalty has no place in the NFL, only productivity.

Hell, if the Jets were loyal to Ellis, they would have signed him for another 2 or 3 years, just like they did with Marvin Jones and Mo Lewis.

being a pats fan, you'd know all about that: pats have no loyalty to anyone ever they're so coldhearted...

it's always nice to see the pats cheapness and ruthlessness not get rewarded

[Jake]

Originally Posted by GRNYT

being a pats fan, you'd know all about that: pats have no loyalty to anyone ever they're so coldhearted...

it's always nice to see the pats cheapness and ruthlessness not get rewarded

In this case they were very generous paying Shaun Ellis $4m to do nothing.

[championjets69]

Originally Posted by Jake

But where is the loyalty? Who cares if he's no longer productive? Gotta show loyalty.

/idiots

Some day the lite will go on in your head & U will realize that the only thing that matters in FB is winning

[PatsFanTX]

Originally Posted by championjets69

Some day the lite will go on in your head & U will realize that the only thing that matters in FB is winning

69, I think Jake was being a wee bit sarcastic with his post.

[Jake]

Originally Posted by championjets69

Some day the lite will go on in your head & U will realize that the only thing that matters in FB is winning

I'm aware, Father Time. In case you didn't know, Ellis has 0 Super Bowl rings. He also did jackshit this year, his offer of vet minimum was just and appropriate. He would've had minimal impact for us this year, just like with the Pasts.

[fozzi58]

I was in the group that was upset with the FO when this occurred but midway through the season I ate my crow.

Good move by the FO.

[Mambo9]

Originally Posted by fozzi58

I was in the group that was upset with the FO when this occurred but midway through the season I ate my crow.

Good move by the FO.

I was upset at first... but when I saw how much money the Pats offered him I wasn't. They totally over-paid and I'm happy the Jets didn't go on a bidding war for a declining (but still useful) player. He is worth vet min and nothing more..

[VanderbiltJets]

At the time it wasn't a "to bring Ellis back or to not bring Ellis back" issue, but a "we offered you a contract and you want more money so, if you don't like our offer, find a better one elsewhere". I'd fully support signing him to the vet minimum to end his career as a Jet.

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

Originally Posted by VanderbiltJets

At the time it wasn't a "to bring Ellis back or to not bring Ellis back" issue, but a "we offered you a contract and you want more money so, if you don't like our offer, find a better one elsewhere". I'd fully support signing him to the vet minimum to end his career as a Jet.

Why? Why waste the vet minimum and a roster spot on a player that is completely done?

[VanderbiltJets]

Originally Posted by Joe Willie White Shoes

Why? Why waste the vet minimum and a roster spot on a player that is completely done?

What leads you to the conclusion of "completely done"? Just because the Pats don't want him doesn't mean he's less talented than the 53rd man. I'm not saying it's a need, but I'd like to see him back at the minimum.

[Kentucky Jet]

Originally Posted by VanderbiltJets

What leads you to the conclusion of "completely done"? Just because the Pats don't want him doesn't mean he's less talented than the 53rd man. I'm not saying it's a need, but I'd like to see him back at the minimum.

Id rather see a young , talented player on the roster then an old guy with nothing to contribute at this point! Why should he get playing time at a rookie or young guys expense?

[GMCJETS]

No way in hell to Ellis. Hes no longer a NYJET let him rot.

[VanderbiltJets]

Originally Posted by Kentucky Jet

Id rather see a young , talented player on the roster then an old guy with nothing to contribute at this point! Why should he get playing time at a rookie or young guys expense?

Originally Posted by jonnyd

If its not a need then why would you waste a roster spot when we have sooo many needs?

Applying Quote 2's logic to Quote 1, the Jets can't afford to spend one of their picks on a DE. Assuming the Jets sign an UDFA DE, why not let him and Ellis (signed for the minimum) compete in camp? In this scenario, if the young player is talented enough then he'll make the roster and Ellis will be cut.

Furthermore, needs can't override necessary depth at every position... It's not as though the Jets can afford to allot 10 roster spots to Safeties and 12 to Wide Receivers. Regardless of need the Jets will still need at least one more DE going into the season to provide depth at the position.

[jonnyd]

Originally Posted by VanderbiltJets

What leads you to the conclusion of "completely done"? Just because the Pats don't want him doesn't mean he's less talented than the 53rd man. I'm not saying it's a need, but I'd like to see him back at the minimum.

If its not a need then why would you waste a roster spot when we have sooo many needs?

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Joe Willie White Shoes

Why? Why waste the vet minimum and a roster spot on a player that is completely done?

Exactly. We need young and hungry players, not has beens.