ESPN : Kaepernick grievance nets under $10M

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  1. Rollo Tomassi

    Rollo Tomassi Well-Known Member

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    If nothing else, it created one of the greatest meme palettes ever.
     
  2. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    Ray Rice beat a woman in an elevator. Context matters. Sounds like collusion to me. If the NFL stood their ground, no money should've been given out. To me, this case was small in the grand scheme of things which is awareness.
     
  3. Rollo Tomassi

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    The context, from the NFLs perspective, was that Kaep was shitting on the flag and shitting on the country. That’s not an isolated incident like Rice or Hunt or any of the bad actors.

    Believe in collusion. Me, not so much.

    How do you all feel about Marshawn Lynch standing for the Mexican flag but kneeling for the American flag?

    That’s a true social justice warrior and Mensa member.
     
  4. The Waterboy

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    How do I know he didn't get double, that the league did not settle for less than they would have had to pay if this had gone all the way through? Just a little common sense reasoning. Do you really think the league would think, if he wins we will have to pay $60 million so lets settle it now by paying him $80 million.

    As far as settling if they had not colluded. Big companies do it all the time, settling big lawsuits even if they are not at fault, because it is financially prudent to do so at times.
     
  5. The Waterboy

    The Waterboy Well-Known Member

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    I would venture a guess that 98% of lawsuits have a motion to dismiss filed by the defendant no matter how bad the evidence against them looks. Using that motion as the basis, that they were desperately trying to settle, is a really big stretch.
    And I could argue that you and others calling it a win for Kaep, even if the score was NFL 21 - Kaep 20, would call it a win for Kaep because he kept it close. Or actually anyone calling it a win, for either side, without knowing what the score was is a truer statement.
     
  6. Biggs

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    Ray Rice was suspended for breaking the code of conduct policy of the NFL. Kaep wasn't. The league bungled both situations. But there is absolutely no comparison since the NFL didn't have the balls to suspend Kaep for conduct. Rice had a terrible year followed by a suspension. Kaep was a player in good standing who had won his job back from Blaine Gabbert on a terrible SF team and put up a plus 90 QB rating on the same team Gabbert put up a plus 68 QB rating. Gabbert hasn't
    missed an NFL paycheck, Kaep couldn't get a contract offer.

    The NFL by failing to make or have a policy effectively left Kaep as a player in good standing. That's exactly why they were vulnerable to a collusion charge when nobody would sing him and John Elway stupidly said he wouldn't sign him when he heard that he had turned down a contract elsewhere.
     
  7. Biggs

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    If the league thought he would win yes I do. I think the league would have paid him double if they thought he might win.
     
  8. NYJetsO12

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    I do not agree with anyone protesting for social justice while on the job. How about people refusing to do their work for an hour every day so they can talk about injustice in America?? How would that go over?

    IMO Kap got away with it but he is not as good a NFL player as Reid who is now employed with Panthers

    Hes a player in good standing, yes. But take your protest to the local sheriffs office, city police department or FBI on your own time
     
  9. Rollo Tomassi

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    No one has a right to play in the NFL.

    Kaep wasn't suspended but in the minds of individual owners what he did was not worth the baggage.

    He's effectively an employee at will. Nobody was required to sign him.

    And I commend Elway for taking the stand he did. If a guy falsely crying foul says he's not signing a contract (when all he wanted was supposedly to be given a chance), why should Elway waste a breath on him.
     
  10. Rollo Tomassi

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    Bingo.
     
  11. Rollo Tomassi

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    Stephen A Smith destroying Kaepernick for settling. Not the money, the NDA.

    Said he threw all the "social justice warriors" that stood by him under the bus.

    Hahahahaaaa.
     
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    That is true but the NFL is different because the NFL never settles. Never. They took on perhaps the best player in its history when Tom Brady took them to court and even then they didn’t back down!

    The only time in recent memory they settled other than this was when 100s of alumni sued them for concussions. They settled there and everyone considered that one “loss” for the NFL. A loss they are still dealing with.

    And this one ain’t even 100s of alumni with life or death ramifications. One man with an opinion took on an extremely powerful, extremely wealthy organization and they settled for millions. How is that not a win for his side?
     
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    One possibility, as unlikely as it may seem, is that Kap still wants to play again and settled for that reason.
     
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    Required and colluding to blackball aren't the same thing.

    How did Elway know he turned down a contract? He didn't it was an outright lie after the fact. Elway contended he didn't sign him because he heard he turned down a contract. He heard? Sounds like collusion.

    Elway didn't take a stand he was covering his ass.
     
  15. Noam

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    Kaep has the potential to be a modern day Ali.

    Both put principal and standing up for others ahead of their personal interests. Although, Ali also put him his freedom.

    Both were reviled by the masses, received numerous death threats and had a good chunk of their career taken away from them due to their fight for civil rights for African Americans.

    Likely, history will stand on the side of those fighting for liberty, justice and for what the flag should stand for and treat Kap well in future in a similar to way to how public opinion dramatically shifted over time making Ali a beloved figure.

    Kap obviously, lacks Ali's charisma and talent but his story very much parallels that of Ali.
     
  16. 101GangGreen101

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    Kaep was the face and the one primarily responsible for the protest. The past 2 seasons with the QB play we've seen no excuse for him not to be on the roster.

    Redskins signed Josh Johnson this season during a playoff push.
     
  17. Rollo Tomassi

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    Had.

    He gave that away when he took the money and agreed to shut up.

    This is insulting to Ali.
     
  18. Biggs

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    They also signed Sanchez.
     
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  19. Rollo Tomassi

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    Again assuming collusion.

    And GMs talk all the time. That’s not collusion and even less evidence thereof.
     
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  20. Biggs

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    I believe if two GM's from two different teams are discussing a free agent's turning down a contract with another GM, that's collusion.
     

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