If we took Prescott, Brissett, or Kessler, I'd say taking a QB was worth the risk. But Hack was a shocking blunder.
So Macc whiffed on every 1st round pick???? Leonard Williams, Jamal Adams, and Sam Darnold disagree with your expert opinion.
Leonard Williams has made no impact this year or last year. Not worthy of the 6th pick. Adams the book is still out on him. But a few weeks ago Julian Edelman ran over him. I'll let that image stay right there. Funny you left out Darron Lee and Hackenberg but I'll throw them out there. Oh and Hansen and Stewart. Care to comment on them?
Of the 3 Adams is a stud who will be a serious weapon with the right scheme and coaching. Williams is solid but not untouchable. Darnold still has plenty to prove and can’t be considered a great pick yet.
Once again, there wasn't any other viable player to draft in his place at the time. That draft only had a couple impact players in the top 10 and they were mostly picked ahead of the Jets.
So, in looking at the 2015 draft results, NONE of the guys picked after Williams were better, more importantly, better fits for the Jets need at that time? First round Pick Team Player School 1 Tampa Bay Buccaneers QB Jameis Winston Florida State 2 Tennessee Titans QB Marcus Mariota Oregon 3 Jacksonville Jaguars DE/OLB Dante Fowler Jr. Florida 4 Oakland Raiders WR Amari Cooper Alabama 5 Washington OL Brandon Scherff Iowa 6 New York Jets DL Leonard Williams USC 7 Chicago Bears WR Kevin White West Virginia 8 Atlanta Falcons DE/OLB Vic Beasley Clemson 9 New York Giants OL Ereck Flowers Miami 10 St. Louis Rams RB Todd Gurley Georgia 11 Minnesota Vikings CB Trae Waynes Michigan State 12 Cleveland Browns DT Danny Shelton Washington 13 New Orleans Saints OL Andrus Peat Stanford 14 Miami Dolphins WR DeVante Parker Louisville 15 San Diego Chargers RB Melvin Gordon Wisconsin 16 Houston Texans CB Kevin Johnson Wake Forest 17 San Francisco 49ers DL Arik Armstead Oregon 18 Kansas City Chiefs CB Marcus Peters Washington 19 Cleveland Browns C Cameron Erving Florida State 20 Philadelphia Eagles WR Nelson Agholor USC 21 Cincinnati Bengals OL Cedric Ogbuehi Texas A&M 22 Pittsburgh Steelers DE/OLB Bud Dupree Kentucky 23 Denver Broncos DE/OLB Shane Ray Missouri 24 Arizona Cardinals OL D.J. Humphries Florida 25 Carolina Panthers LB Shaq Thompson Washington 26 Baltimore Ravens WR Breshad Perriman Central Florida 27 Dallas Cowboys CB Byron Jones Connecticut 28 Detroit Lions OL Laken Tomlinson Duke 29 Indianapolis Colts WR Phillip Dorsett Miami 30 Green Bay Packers S Damarious Randall Arizona State 31 New Orleans Saints LB Stephone Anthony Clemson 32 New England Patriots DT Malcom Brown Texas I bolded a few I think would've been much better and more helpful. Again, Williams hasn't been a "fail", but he hasn't been worthy of a #6 pick, and h sure wasn't a need at the time. In that sense, Macc did fail.
Mac would’ve been laughed right out of the building if he selected Andrus Peat or Shane Ray over Leonard Williams at the time. If only he could see into the future, although I don’t think anyone in their right mind would trade Leo for either of those two straight up. The only options were Leo, Beasley or Gurley. It’s easy to say now Gurley is the easy pick but Jets fans were decidedly against Gurley at the time.
It's easy now to say Beasely or Gurley or Peat but Williams was the overwhelming choice at 6. Many of the experts hailed him as the best player in the draft. Foresight and hindsight are usually very different.
What stands out to me isn't that there were better players selected after Williams, it's that I would still pick him over any of the players picked BEFORE he was picked. Mariota might be better if he weren't always injured, but I don't think we'll ever find that out for sure, and an always-injured starting QB is worse than no starting QB.
The Steelers, Patriots draft in the bottom of the draft every year. They have no problem fielding a competitive playoff team each and every year. The problem is Macc whiffed more than he hit. Couple that with an entire coaching staff that does not develop what little talent they have. Would you give Leonard Williams a 90-100 million dollar contract right now? Will the Jets will have to make that and many other crucial decisions right after the season. Just for GP the Jets could have had Todd Gurley, Vic Beasley, Melvin Gordon. All after Leonard Williams.
Yeah, of course they do because they both have top 5 QBs. The Jets would have been crucified if they reached for Gurley or Gordon instead of Williams there. Beasley ain't even great, he's a low end #2 WR or high end 3, who plays mostly special teams. He's not an impact player. It's easy to say in hindsight based on who worked out, but nobody had those players ranked as high as Williams. He was rated a top 3 before the draft, hence why the Jets couldn't say no when he fell. There wasn't really any other better options at the time. Look at all those other failed GMs that didn't even get a starter in the top 10 that year.
First off Beasley's not a WR, he's an OLB/Rush End. He also led the league in sacks already and has been an All Pro. Beasley's career so far is better than Leonard Williams, no question.
Mac drafted a brand new shiny QB while having a shitty offensive line, no #1 WR and a mediocre RB by committee. What could possibly go wrong with this picture? If the Jets ever get all these pieces in place (not looking good at this point), Darnold will be long gone from the league.
Yeah, but at the time, none of those guys were thought to be that good and Williams was ranked top 3 by almost every expert. That first round hardly had any impact players, and Williams turned out to be solid. I don't think it's fair to say he's not worthy of a #6 pick when he was ranked higher (and is better) than most of those people and it turned out there weren't many impact players in the first round of that draft. It easy to say they should have reached for player X in hindsight, but it's never that easy at the time. If they forced an Oline pick that year it probably would have been Flowers and Jets fans would have been rioting the next 3 years. More than half the GMs picking in the first round that year didn't even get a starter.
Adams has established himself as a superstar and team leader this season. He could be the best player at his position in only his second season. He talked the talk then walked the walk. He's become the embodiment of everything I hope to see from every Jets player. He's already one of the best players I've ever seen wear the green & white.
What stands out the most to me about that 1st rd is that it is straight booty. I’d say Williams is the best player after the two RBs, possibly after Cooper too if he continues his breakout. The rest is trash after trash after trash.
Sorry, but gotta disagree with you regarding those players being better than Williams. The only one who has been better is Gurley. Shane Ray? He hasn't even started 1/3 of the games in his career, much less half, and he has 14 sacks in 4 seasons. Andrus Peat? At least he's been a consistent starter for the Saints, but is he that good? He had to switch from OT to OG in the NFL and Williams plays an arguably more important position in the Jets' 3-4 alignment. Beasley had a huge sophomore season in the NFL, but his rookie season and the two after that have been very quiet. He's a one-dimensional player. I'd take Williams again today over every one of those players except Gurley.
