Leo Williams worth

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  1. JdotGriff

    JdotGriff Well-Known Member

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    We dont have to change scheme for Williams we need an edge rusher so his skill sets become usefull. You keep talking like Williams needs to be a pass rusher when he is perfectly capable of being a run stuffing oline sucking DE like he should be right now. The fact you think Williams should be racking up sacks is fucking stupid. ITS NOT HIS JOB We have playmakers at 2 of the 3 levels and for williams to be truly succesfull like he is capable of being you need and edge rusher to take away from his pressure. This is how it works unless you are one of the exceptions Watt and Donald. Give me another 34 de example that fills this position better and doesnt have an edge rusher.
     
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    Name the last time we have had true pass coverage linebacker to be primed to swap to 43, Jesus fuck there is more to defense then secondary and dline. in 43 Line backers and edge rushers are the key to success. Im waiting please start naming how and when
     
  3. Ahh yes..you just made my point for me.After Wilk,sheldon & now Williams Hopefully the jets have learned that unless the DL is “the exception” IE transcendent Watt/Donald level They are not worth the significant salary cap burden they command. Guys that open things up for other playmakers are not worth premium money.Williams is going to want to be at least top 3 salary at his position.
     
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    Wilkerson quit on this team can you give a decent guess in your opinion why? I personally think it was because we didnt get the outside help he needed to be effective at what his job is supposed to be. Sheldon, in my opinion, followed suit aside from the off field issues. Again having 3 guys like them was a horrible move and completely unneeded. Again we blammed GM/HC all the defensive picks yet here we are still no damn edge rusher. So again we just give up the front 3 talent because once again we have provided no edge rusher. This thoery has worked so freaking well for us lol
     
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    I admit to not having an intimate knowledge of the differences between a 3-4 and 4-3, hence my question about whether DCs can typically implement both or if they have to specialise, but doesn't the 3-4 still require coverage linebackers and edge rushers to be successful. It seems to me that 3-4 needs better overall athlethes to work, whereas 4-3 may be easier due to more specialised roles. The 3-4 seems to require that your edge rushes also be able to drop back in coverage more readily than in a 4-3.
     
  6. JdotGriff

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    There is no yes/no to your response as there are multiple versions of both this is why i wanted his explanation of how we accomplish this. 43 edge rushers are harder to come by as of last 5-6 years it seems. There all sorts of different type of pass rushers also. There is plenty of info out there for you to search on the difference between these gap/set schemes. Definitely way to late to get into this lol. There is 0 chance in 16/17/18 with out being in just as bad of shape now as we currently are converting this team to a 4 in the dirt scheme of any shape form. It is also extremely stupid to do when all we honestly lack for this defense to be effective is an edge rusher and an HC/DC that understands the talent we have in the secondary cant run single high coverage a vast majority of the time. Thie whole blow it up mentality is absolutely stupid and anyone with minimal knowledge can see it hasnt worked for the last 15 years and wont work now.

    This whole Williams is not productive would be as stupid as Blaming Manigold for getting beat with double teams with two pos guards next to him. (hint hint) if you dont remember these discussions.
     
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    Whatever one thinks about Leo's play...he himself has stated that he needs to do better.

    I'll take his word for it.
     
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    And if he blamed others we would call him toxic and say get him out of the locker. So yeah lose/lose i guess
     
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    The people who make the money to say who sucks and who doesn't ALL agree Williams is a top talent on the interior line and the Jets don't pay them. So let's not ignore that or his career stats.
    Again i ask for one person to please show me a better 34 DE with out a pass rusher (outside of watt and donald)
     
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    Give him a couple more years to see if he's the real deal and can excel. This, of course, is contingent on the entire Jets D improving as well. From a realistic standpoint, mastering Williams' position usually requires a significant amount of experience and maturity. Can't give up on the kid just yet.
     
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    I think Williams is suffering from the same problem that most of the other defensive picks the Jets have picked up over the past few years: He's got a lot of physical talent, but is being used completely incorrectly, and has no LBs to generate the pass rush. I'd hate to see him go, because I predict he would be a top talent with any coach that knew how to use him.
     
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    Are you a shill? You working for Williams PR people or are you his agent?

    Which firm do you work for?

    You want my football team to break the bank for a player who's not much more than a glorified role player eh EH?!!!!!!
     
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    Lets take a look at this. The Jets have taken, off the top of my head, the following dlineman the last 20 years in the first round.
    DeWayne Roberston, Mohamed Wilkerson, Sheldon Richardson, Quinton Coples and Leonard Williams. I'm not incldung Brian Thomas and Vernon Gholston in this because they were dends.

    5 Dlineman in the first round in the last 20 years. Not one has lived up to expectation. Wilkerson and Richardson had a good year here or there.

    Look at guys like Henry Anderson, Mike Divito just a few off the top of my head that we traded a 7th round pick for and and undrafted free agent. I'd say both of them have been better than the other guys. You wonder why in 7 years we haven't made the playoffs. We have not taken any skill positions and the ones we have had are still not in the league. It's embarrassing. The scouts and GMs need to get away from drafting defensive players we can find on the street and start taking skill players.
     
  14. WarriorRB28

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    The best players are self motivated. It's the NFL these guys are grown men they know what they need to do.

    I don't believe in scapegoating other people or the scheme it is what it is.

    It wasn't too long ago that Mehta was writing articles pimping Sheldon Richardson how the Jets needed to re-sign him but they weren't getting a hometown discount. Where is he now?

    I see the same thing happening with Williams if they let him walk. If this guy wants to begin to impress me and I'm 100% serious about this he'll show up to camp in 2019 with a shaved head & his physique lean & ripped that alone woulf nake me think whoa!!!! This dude is serious about his NFL career now!

    Right now I think he's more interested in his image & off the field stuff than he is about his football career.

    JMO
     
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    Quit the bull shit excuses. We don’t see Aaron Donald or Gerald McCoy bitching about double teams and producing no numbers because of them. The guy is drafted to be elite, not average or slightly above average. You are nothing but a Williams homer.
     
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    if we pay him a big contract then we are truly fools. Paying elite money to a run stuffing d line men in a passing league is borderline retarded. He can take a contract that is fitting to his skills or he can walk. He is invisible in nearly half the games he plays.

    If Leo wasn't on the jets would you actually want us to sign him ? The answer you would all give is a big fat fuck no. The only reason he is defended is because he is a jet and some people don't want to admit that he isn't the falling star they were banking on.
     
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    And he has really good signature hair.
     
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  19. JdotGriff

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    Me and a vast majority of the talent evaluators who are paid to do this. Again please name a better 34 de with out an edge rusher. Or just continue spewing bull with out supporting.


    Also to be clear gerald mccoy is a DT not a DE. Darnold and Watt have always beent he exception to rule as far as 34 de's and thats why they got their contracts.
     
  20. JdotGriff

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    If you thinkt he Jets are gonna have to break the bank for Williams then you understand how talented he his

    I will ask once again. Name a 34 Dlineman with better stats than williams on a team without an edge rusher not named Donald or Watt since clearly, Williams will not be getting that type of money.
     
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