Are you talking about Darnold? His arm is not definetely better than Wentz’. Idk about some of those other guys but it calls into question your claim because Wentz has a hell of a strong arm Darnold doesn’t have the strongest arm but it’s fine, his arm is plenty capable and the NFL has changed, you don’t need the strongest arm anymore
Hes known as a QB with a good arm, not weak but not the strongest of arms. Certainly not Big Ben, more Bortles. But I'm splitting hairs, theyre all fine and no one would ever question their arms
Your opinion against his scouting report, thats fine, Darnolds arm is not weaker than Wentz, dont know where youre getting it from. Walter Football: Sam Darnold Scouting Report By Charlie Campbell Strengths: Naturally accurate passer Fits passes into tight windows Excellnt ball placement Throws a catchable ball Pocket presence Has poise Advanced anticipation; instinctive thrower Throws with good timing Can accelerate his throwing motion Quality arm strength Pushed team to wins Good internal clock Mobility Throws very well on the run Throws accurately off platform Displays some feel in the pocket Not easy to sack Can hurt defenses on the ground Can make all the throws required Can pick up yards on the ground Threads passes into tight windows Throws receivers open Can beat good coverage with his arm and accuracy Potential for good field vision Can move eyes through progressions Smooth, natural passer Instincts Stands tall in the pocket Throws knowing he is going get hit Impressive precision Great fit for a west coast offense Good footwork Good ball placement and timing to lead receivers for yards after the catch Excellent intangibles Smart Good worker Good teammate Upside Read more: http://www.walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2018sdarnold.php#ixzz5R1BkIZaH Drafttek: Compares to (Current NFL Player): Andrew Luck (Indianapolis Colts) Strengths - Great arm strength - Prototypical size and build for a quarterback - Impressive athlete for his size - Cerebral player - Calm and poise - Displays NFL quarterback traits (Anticipation, Ball-Placement, Reads full field, Maneuvers in pocket without dropping his eyes) Weaknesses - Limited experience - A bit of a wind up in his motion - Occasionally becomes a gun-slinger ESPN: What does the NFL think of Darnold? "He's got everything you look for -- size, arm strength, accuracy. Could stand to clean up some mechanical stuff, but that's going to come with time. He looks the part, and that matters when you're trying to sell your fan base on a young guy with growing pains. He'll show enough to get people excited." -- NFC front-office official.
pretty much it's splitting hairs at this point. it's not like one is josh allen and the other is chad lol. not to mention brees and peyton manning both have weak arms are are 2 of the greatest to ever play. even montana had a weak arm and is one of the best all time. meanwhile cannon armed QBs like flaco, cutler, ramsey, etc all failed in the NFL or were decent at best. as long as a QB can make all the throws needed that's all they need. it's really their brains and instincts that seperate the great ones from the bad ones. darnold has all 3 thankfully. his pocket feel is amazing, he can read a defense and make great decisions on the fly. that's what killed sanchez. sanchez had a great arm but he lacked the ability to read a defense, make good decisions and feel pressure. If his primary wasn't there he was basically SOL. with darnold he'll go through his progressions and buy time while doing it. it's a very impressive QB
Exactly, I was splitting hairs. Add to the list of weak armed QBs, Matt Ryan, Cousins and Steve Young. Accuracy and timing are more important and can make up for weak arms, Chad and Montana are perfect examples
Bill Walsh, inventor of the WCO, did so because his starting QB on the Bengals (he was the OC for them), Greg Cook, tore his rotator cuff, so he developed an offense based on shorter, quicker routes that didn't require a power arm. He refined it later with SF and Montana. It's a great system IMO because as long as you have a decent armed QB who can read defenses and make adjustments, you can succeed. You don't need a great, cannon-armed QB, or a great RB, and you can move the ball and score. Darnold's experience in college demonstrated that he has the ability to run the Jets version of the WCO extremely well, and his arm strength, which is better than average, enables them to also incorporate deep throwing into it, once the defense is conditioned to look for the short passes. This is why the Jets were so hot for him, even before the draft, and couldn't believe their luck when he actually fell to them. If his receivers hold onto the ball - and he throws a very catchable ball - then the offense will be great. Bad on Monday's game I'm encouraged tat Darnold and Bates's system are a great match.
exactly the WCO was basically built to aid in QBs who lacked a big arm but is still a useful system in todays NFL albeit a little boring
It doesn't have to be boring. It can be "spiced up" with a vertical component, and/or running game depending on the personnel you have. In the Jets' case, with Darnold and his plus arm strength the ingredients are there to do this.
yeah but the traditional WCO is boring, but many teams (hopefully the jets) run a different style offense but with WCO inspiration. It's not true WCO but more of a balanced offense based on quick timing routes and taking what the defense gives you with a vertical threat. Todays NFL runs offenses much more complex then in earlier years and the players themselves are just more capable (bigger, stronger, faster etc) so every offense even with the same roots or inspiration is different.
Bingo. He has an excellent arm. He barely even stepped into the Anderson throw. That throw was a fucking dime. Anybody who thinks Darnold has anything close to a weak arm doesn't know that the hell they are watching.
It was Virgil Carter, not Greg Cook. P.S. I was mistaken. It was Greg Cook. WCO was shaped to suit Virgil Carter. HE lacked the kind of arm that Cook had.
Anyone who thinks he had a weak arm or an average arm or even anything less than a strong arm never watched him in college. Let’s be fair, he doesn’t have Allen’s arm (who cares, he’s inaccurate) or to be quite honest Rodgers arm or Wentz’s arm. But he’s a slightly a tick below and stronger than the vast majority of every starting QB in the NFL right now. This thread is ass. The OP never watched him at USC.
I think Sam's arm is good enough to make some huge NFL throws. Also, he just turned 21 years old so there's still time for him to gain strength going into his prime physical years.
I don't really care one bit if his arm is stronger than Wentz or not. What I do care is that he brings with him the whole package, scrambling, reading Defenses, throwing on the run and and arm that is good and accurate enough for the longer passes. He has a complete tool set, starting with a superior NFL grasp and a maturity level beyond his years. He will be the one that brings the NYJ back to life after 50 years of wondering in no mans land. PS- I was told the last QB to throw an interception in his first NFL pass was Brett Favre. If that is true we should be so lucky.
The more i think about it i think hes a bigger,stronger,far less condescending right armed version of Steve Young. When he throws to the right spot fundamentally speaking,the ball placement is impeccable including on the run. I think his ball placement is only going to get better as he gets bigger & stronger which is a scary proposition for our friendly Afc east foes.
That and more. Walsh used to talk about how low the percentages of long passes are in the best of circumstances. He may have initiated it due to an injured QB but it sounded like he prefered the safe route over the low percentage big hitter
Speaking of that POS Young in the week leading into the game and the pregame he killed the Jets for starting Darnold. Predicted doom and gloom. By the half he was praising the kid. Post game he took it further up a notch and in the past week sounded like it was his idea all along
Interesting, Sam provided us with plenty of excitement, jaw dropping plays and also some scary gunslinging.....lol.
