How can you not include Parcells though? His exit wasn't great, but he took a pathetic team and franchise from (1-15) to (9-7) and then to the AFC Championship Game in 2 years. That is amazing. They also remained relevant for the next 10+ years including 6 playoff appearances. He changed the culture. Easily Top 2 for me. Mangini definitely is underrated. Especially with 2008 having Favre forced on him. Not really fair to be fired after that mess. Not sure how high I would rank him. Arguing he built Rex's teams is actually a good point and a fair point to rank him ahead of Rex.
I agree with the list for the most part. I'd rank Mangini a little bit higher and Herm a little bit lower.
Big difference is that Rex DID take them to the Championship game TWICE...... WITH MARK SANCHEZ Mangini absolutely shit the bed in 2008..... WITH BRETT FAVRE (and no, his injury isnt why) I give him a ton of credit for 2006..... after that it was total garbage. 2008 may be the worst game planning & play calling I have EVER seen
.... and deciding to repeatedly throw against teams with shitty run defenses in bad weather.... and vice versa Mangenious was 0/3 bringing the VLT to the NYJs
Just mean Mangini was a guy with a plan and that plan did not include Favre. They still should have won more but not sure he should have been fired. I am sure at the time I wanted him fired though. Yeah, that is what I assumed when you did not list him. Yep. Favre was great until the injury. Took the Vikings to the NFC Title game right after too. Just saying he was not part of Mangini's plan. Haha, true!
As Mike Tyson said, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. The sign of a good coach is adapting to both the good and bad that happens to you, and the Mangenius was way too arrogant to do that. He thought he was Belichick Junior, and he proved definitively that that wasn't the case. I don't think he was even slightly underrated as a coach. I have no idea how much he had to do with the talent that the team acquired during his time, but that has nothing to do with his quality as a coach, which I think was quite limited.
Parcells is a quitter. It's ingrained in his DNA. He wanted to walk out on the Giants in 1986. He accepted and then went back on the Tampa Bay job. He quit on NE, on us, on Dallas, on Miami... He's an outstanding football coach and I will be forever grateful for at least putting in the foundation that led to a solid run of Jets football (relative to what we're used to experiencing) from 1997 through the end of the Rex era. But dependable and reliable he is not. For all his bluster he'll scurry out in the middle of the night on ya if the spirit moves him. You could even say the remnants of the Parcells era are still here with Bowles (though you could say he's originally a Gibbs disciple)
Groh I thought would've been a solid coach, but he was another quitter taking some small potatoes college job in Virginia or West Virginia instead. I later changed my mind. Groh was a guy who would've gotten eaten alive/burnt out after 3 years in the NFL Dom Capers was also being considered for the job after Groh left.
1. Bill Parcells - Almost took back to back doormats to playoffs in year one. What could have been. 2. Weeb Ewbank - Got the ring with Namath 3. Walt Michaels - Also turned a nothing team into a winner 4. Al Groh - Winning record as a Jets coach. I wish he stayed longer. 5.Rex Ryan - Sure he might have won with someone else's groceries but back to back AFC title games is nothing to sneeze at 6. Joe Walton - Stuck around for seven years and what a run in 1986. If you want to talk coordinators I would say Bud Carson followed by Bill Bellicheat.
Screw Fat Parcells. 'Turned the team around', 'he made the Jets respectable again', 'changed the culture', God how I hate when people say things like that, and you were on that path. You know why I hate it? Because that a handful of pennies won't get me on the subway. I don't care about any of it, and I wish people would stop coddling that quitter and get the stars out of their eyes. What's next? Waxing nostalgic about the Denver game? He gave me nothing. If I ever see him, I just might kick him in his ass. That, or pin him up against the side of my garage with a dump truck. Agree on Mangini, but I have to walk it back a little because he publicly said a few years ago how much he regretted about coming forward over Spygate. He totally backpedaled and practically apologized. What he should've done was complained about why the Mayor didn't give him a key to the city.