The Dunces Have Elected A Dunce

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  1. Dierking

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    You are still assuming we can program that well. No. We can't. That's the problem we have at hand - and it will remain that way for quite a while. We can't even figure out how to make the program see and react accordingly. Anything higher is but a pipedream at this point. [You can find numerous reports about driverless cars ramming their way into the accidents. Case closed.]

    We are still playing around with AI behavior these days, using simplified rules that is easily observable in game plays. We have seen both constructive AND destructive behaviors among the AIs - in some they were helping each other out, while in some they went to cutthroat mode as soon as they possibly could. What is clear is, the initial set of rules - about the reward codes, specifically - determine the behavior largely. Specifically, winner-takes-all approach is guaranteed to converge into destructive behaviors. [Shouldn't we change OUR social paradigm as well? Imagine why our society looks like this now.]
     
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    Why would you state what is going on in my mind? Why don't you speak for yourself rather than others?

    I questioned where an individuals wealth and purchasing power would come from if they no longer needed to work and had no jobs available but instead spent their time pursuing leisure activities. Who would be supplying those activities? That's the question I asked - you're not required to respond to questions you can't answer. If you'd prefer to be your normal obstinate self you may carry on without my assistance.
     
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    Once again, how will this be financed?
     
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    We are tinkering with this thing called [basic income] for a reason.

    The time will come when human labor is almost unneeded. So what will happen if we let the entire mass [~99% of the entire population] go jobless without income?

    The economic system as we know it will crash and burn. And no. You cannot hire them. Machines will do better and faster for longer period of time with much less down time. It is economically not feasible to maintain human employment in that situation. Maybe a few congressmen, but that's all.

    Even education would be better with machines. This of course means we have to develop a good programs for it but that certainly doesn't take a few millions of teachers, and it is available to those with internet connection.

    So - the only alternative we have at that point is the basic income from the government. Of course, quite a bit of the services will have to be automated, [like routine medical check-ups] but then the population doesn't need to [work] to survive any more, so that's a fair trade. No?
     
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    But where's the money for basic income gonna come from if almost everyone is jobless?
     
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    Money as we know it has been but an illusion after all, built by this institution called "bank." Moreover, selling your labor is a paradigm that is on its way out. Your labor is not needed any more. [Not now, obviously - but it will eventually become obsolete. Same as mine. All human labor will become unnecessary.]

    So - don't worry about that part - there will be goods produced, and someone has to give them incentives to keep on producing. And someone needs to bridge the produced goods to the consumer. *Cough* Government *Cough*
     
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    It probably sounds crazy but I don't think money will be needed, at least not to the extent it is today.
     
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    ^^ There is the real wall.
     
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    That he was called a terrorist at all is the miracle. Normally, they're just "mentally disturbed" or some such.
     
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    My Name is Earl: COPS episode explained it pretty well. They hold up two pieces of cardboard. One of them is like a tan yellow and the other one is a light brown. If you fit in between the two pieces on the color scale you are a terrorist, if you're lighter than the tan yellow you are a kook, if you're darker you're a shoot-on-sight type.
     
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    https://slate.com/news-and-politics...gal-team-are-no-match-for-robert-mueller.html

    "In New York Real Estate Land, Multiple Divorce Land, and Repeated Bankruptcy Land, one can string together a lifetime’s worth of mandatory arbitration clauses, nondisclosure agreements, prenups, and frivolous lawsuits. The only legal system Trump can comprehend—and the only legal system the Cohens and the Kasowitzes are good at navigating—is one that consists entirely of loopholes and workarounds. That system, which runs on threats and intimidation and huge sums of cash, has made a lot of men who look and sound like Donald Trump obscenely wealthy. It is, like it or lump it, the American way."

    Ron
     
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    Funny how that works.. And if they play their cards right, not only will they not be killed, but they'll get a Burger King trip out of it on the way to jail.
     
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    They have no problem taking food stamps away from the poor and replacing them with meal kits. "YOU WILL EAT THIS GRUEL AND YOU WILL LIKE IT". But they feed a school shooter a Whopper and french fries and a smoothie. Then you hear on the news a guy in Sacramento was shot 6-8 times in the back while running from the cops and had no gun on him. Something isn't right.
     
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    Well, if you believe the narrative that its always Open Season on Black Men, then everything is fine and its business as usual. BTW... It was Dylan Roof the church shooter that got the free Burger King meal as a reward for giving himself up.
     
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