Why can’t the Jets try to win a Super Bowl in the next 2 years?

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  1. JetBlue

    JetBlue Well-Known Member

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    To build a Super bowl caliber team requires honesty on the part of the team of what they currently have. If you don’t have the players to build upon, simply spending money on free agents in the hopes of a radical turn around ain’t going to do shit.

    That has nothing to do with a GM being competitive; that’s being delusional. Winning the free agency sweepstakes ain’t the same as building a winning team.

    The worst thing you can have is a delusional or dishonest GM trying to win with a team not capable of it. Sometimes hard decisions have to be made, like tearing down a bad roster to build it back up again.
     
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  2. Rivers23

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    Why? Bad coaching and not good enough players. Like, every aspect of our game is not good enough, try naming one that is SB caliber.
     
  3. footballfundamentals

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    We need to build our defense up through the draft as we are doing. The blueprint was set by Coughlin in NY/Jacksonville and previously by the Seahawks.

    If you have a great defense, you are in almost every game.

    This Year if Jacksonville had a better Qb, they probably would have won the Superbowl. I understand that the Giants had a franchise Qb with Eli.

    In Seattle, they had a great defense and then back doored into Russell Wilson who lasted until the 3rd round I believe.

    In summary:
    Assemble a great defense.
    Install a capable offense until you draft a franchise Qb.
     
  4. CotcheryFan

    CotcheryFan 2018 ROTY Poster Award Winner

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    Need an offense that can score in today's NFL. A great defense alone isn't enough.
     
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  5. FlaJet

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    If we're going the losing way than bring back geno. (Ughhh)
     
  6. JetBlue

    JetBlue Well-Known Member

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    Two of the top five scoring defenses just played in the highest scoring super bowl in history. Yes, defense is the key.
     
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    Other than Jermaine Kearse who was kind of a throw-in to the Richardson trade, is there a player or coach or front office administrator who has even won a super bowl in the type of position they hold now???

    maybe getting someone who has been there before and knows what it takes might help a little.... crazy thought I know
     
  8. footballfundamentals

    footballfundamentals Well-Known Member

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    Yes you are looking at a 1 year snapshot. I am talking about winning long term.
     
  9. footballfundamentals

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    I said capable. The reason why the Patriots are so good is that there defense improved from the beginning of the year up until the Superbowl. So their offense is great and defense was very good.
     
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    Ok, fair enough.
     
  11. ColoradoContrails

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    The Jets have been trying to do just that forever and what has it got them? Nada. Today's NFL is set up to enable the offense to beat the defense because the NFL figured out that the fans like scoring. Sure defense can keep you in games, but against the best teams you're still going to lose because:

    A. You can't stop them.
    B. You can't outscore them.

    Let's try building a powerful offense for a change and see how that works.
     
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  12. forevercursed

    forevercursed Well-Known Member

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    Situational defense is what's important. The NFL has legislated so much D out of the game. Heck half the time when you do stop them the flags come flying anyway. What you do need to have at least is a pass rush that you can unleash at critical moments for big losses and strip sacks, and a D that can tighten up in the red zone and hold to field goal attempts.
     
  13. boozer32

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    Yeah the gang that can't pick players right gets 1 more shot at not even a playoff game but actual progress. They couldn't even tank correctly and the career bum McCown had a career year. Talk about bad timing. I'm not expecting anything from Bowles and Macc except more bad pick, more wasted high end contracts on mediocre players and no QB. The hat trick.
     
  14. boozer32

    boozer32 Well-Known Member

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    You see that and many others see it. So why are we drafting back to back safeties and tiny inside linebackers?
     
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  15. boozer32

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    15. Sell the team to someone who in engaged in the operation of his franchise. If you are more concerned about being ambassador then you need to get out of the football game altogether. Mark Cuban please buy the Jets.
     
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    Sometimes the best owner is the owner who does nothing at all.
     
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  17. footballfundamentals

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    There are other benefits of having a dominant defense. Turnovers and 3 and outs. I gave examples of teams that had dominant defenses who won the championship. What about the 09 Jets and there games against the Colts and Pats? So we did have a run its just that we were gassed by then and the Steelers ran it down our throat.
     
  18. NoodleArm

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    Two years is a short time to re-stock the roster. There isn’t enough talent. For a short turnaround, the most comparable team would be the Jags.

    The Jets’ situation wildly differs from that in Jacksonville, though. Caldwell hit on many of his picks, particularly his high-selection defensive picks over the years. This year, that defense carried the team. Gus Bradley probably deserves some credit for the maturation of the defensive players and their schemes. That said, he couldn’t get out of the way enough on offense and held that unit back. Rightfully, after three seasons, he was fired.

    In order for the Jets to match the Jags, Mac, Bowles, and Bates need to perform. Mac needs to hit on his picks this year. Bowles has to teach/train/whatever the past few years’ defensive picks so that they’re consistently above-average, both individually and as a unit. Finally, Master Bates has to prove that he’s a still a competent play-caller and offensive coach. All things considered, it’s just too much for a team to do in two years. Particularly a franchise like the Jets, which is starved for talent at all three levels (management, coaching, and players). I wish it wasn’t the case, but it’s what we’ve got.
     
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  19. If we just do the hard right for once & stick to the rebuild as currently outlined within 2 years we'll have an actual foundation & identity to build around.

    The key to sustainability in the NFL is building a foundation, through the draft & then maintaining/upgrading the foundation by relying on prototypes within both the draft & free agency. Under this concept,there will be more fruitful years & some more leaner years...it's up to the organization to decide how to balance short/term long term...however there will be an identity,continuity & will have at least a respectable baseline level of competitiveness in which to move forward.

    I've had enough of going for broke w. these 1-2 year propositions which always mean bringing in 2nd rate veteran free agents or drafting players to fill very specific holes/roles.It only results in ugly divorces, dead money on the cap & an empty cupboard when the dust settles

    It's time to build a team for the long haul..not a short term lottery ticket.
     
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  20. ColoradoContrails

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    Your example of the '09 Jets proves my point. A great "D" - and frankly I don't think their defense was all that great - CAN get you to the playoffs, but as the Jets found out it rarely wins you a SB. The '86 Bears did it, the 2000 Ravens did it, but those defenses WERE great. And even then, it takes some luck, and your mediocre offense to contribute finally. The much more certain path to a championship in today's NFL is with an explosive offense. Sure, you do need a decent defense, particularly having a great pass rush and ballhawking secondary that can force those critical turn overs, but you will never have a "shut down D" like in the old days. The Jets folly of continuing to chase after this illusion has crippled them.
     
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