exactly my point it's 1 piece to the puzzle albeit a large piece but it's not the end all way of winning a SB. marino never won one, and manning took forever to win one choking in the playoffs often since the team pretty much relied on him to do everything and never gave him much help
Peyton had 3 TD's and 7 INT's in the playoffs the year he won that first Super Bowl. He had the big game winning drive in the AFC Championship game, but the D carried the team in the first 2 playoff games. Funny how it works.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say if Luck, Watson, Rodgers, and Wentz didn't get injured Foles, Bortles, and Keenum wouldn't be in the final 4...this is a fluke year with a lot of mediocre teams and a lot of QB injuries...I personally think the Jags defense a bit overrated..they beat Buffalo with Taylor who is worse than Bortles and gave up 42 point to the Steelers...the AFC was just bad this year we should have probably won 8 games.
So at best, with the benefit of hindsight, there are 4 out of 32 SuperBowl QB slots in the last 16 years occupied by non-franchise guys. + 2 if you don't want to consider Flacco a Franchise QB, - 2 if you want to consider Delhomme and Kaepernick were deemed to be potential franchise QBs (especially since Kaep displaced a former #1 pick). That means on average once every 4 years a non-franchise QB can make the Super Bowl. Sure it's doable, but your not having sustained success without a franchise QB.
you could have broadway joe in his prime back there, and nobody will confuse mac and bowles with ewbank and walt michaels.
you need a FQB to have consistent success - all the stats point in that direction- yes winning the SB still requires a lot of luck and good play elsewhere but having a good QB gives you a lot more spins at the wheel - how many superbowls have the Jets got to in the modern era with their neverending succession of average at best QB's? how many have the Pats got to with #12?
stats from the weekend - Jags - Penalties 6 - 98 Pats - Penalties 1 - 10 that was the game right there
Can we all agree that you need to score points to win in the modern NFL? The only way to consistently do that is with a franchise QB. Let's draft one and go all in. No more free agent QBs unless they are backups. Minnesota and Jacksonville, the two best defenses, gone before the Super Bowl. I still don't think Minnesota gets to that point if Aaron Rodgers wasn't hurt. Jacksonville may not have if Houston didn't lose DeShaun Watson, although the Jags have all the other pieces.
Which is one ring more than most QBs have. Also Rodgers is the Packers. Without him they're worse than us.
There's nothing quite like fans who haven't had a franchise QB trying to talk themselves into the idea that they don't need one because of a rarity year in the NFL. Next year the Super Bowl will probably feature Rodgers, Wentz, Brees, Wilson, Ryan or Newton against Brady or Roethlisberger, or Eli/Cousins, if either bolts to Jacksonville.
This sums it up perfectly for me. The better the QB you have the more chances you have and the more weaknesses you can live with and still be competitive. A great/elite QB probably won't win you anything without a good team behind him though but he will keep you competitive nearly every year and you have to have one of these to have consistent success.
Yes a FQB can help but it all starts at the top with the owner and the leadership from top to bottom of an org ... look at the teams that are constantly winners they are run the right way unlike the Jets who even if we did manage to get a FQB we would screw it up
And these same people will be celebrating when we draft a defensive lineman in the first round...the formula is pretty simple FQB and coach until that happens it's the same routine.
it's the NFL. there are 32 franchises. which have been constant winners? you have the pats and the steelers. that's about it. so about 6% of NFl teams have this. while 100% of NFL fans expect their teams to have this. the whole idea of a draft, free agency, and cap is to balance out the NFL. unlike other sports. It's by design that this shouldn't be allowed to happen.
