mismanagement

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  1. mr nyjet

    mr nyjet Well-Known Member

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    denver has been to more super bowls, and won more than the jets .
    the draft offered a clue as to the reason.
    john elway used a 7th round pick, ironically the last pick in the draft, to grab mississippi qb chad kelly.
    yes, he has medical issues and off the field issues.
    that has not stopped teams from drafting players before.
    unlike our gm, who used a 2nd round pick to redshirt hackenberg, elway gets to redshirt kelly cheap!
    kelly would be a 1st-2nd round pick/talent without the issues.
    unlike petty, a 4th round pick by our gm, he is used to playing in rain and snow. he is from upstate new york.
    instaed of trading a 7th round pick away, we could have drafted him, put him on ir or the practice squad, and redshirted him this year on the cheap.
    next year, with possibly 2 out of our current 3 qbs no longer here, we would have at least two guys left, plus any other one we draft next year.
    other posters have discussed some of the picks traded away which could have been used on a center, other ol, cb or lbs. i just wanted to point out this situation as an example of how teams like the pats and denver seem to get creative at the draft while we have been buying other team's castoffs ( clady, holmes, marshall, decker,etc.) for draft picks and large contracts, but either sell cheap or fail to get anything when we want to trade away players. it all reflects on management.
     
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  2. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Of course moves reflect upon management, but they also reflect the owner and his wishes. Their first couple of years here, Woody wanted the team to make the playoffs, so Mac didn't have the ability to begin a true rebuild and do it primarily through the draft. He had to do the competitive rebuild nonsense. He didn't have the luxury of building in the right way and taking several years. He had to try to be as competitive as possible and add new pieces as he could. The only thing he could is draft some QBs where he could and try to give them some time to develop, and he had to bring in Fitz to start. He needed to try to address holes/needs more quickly and so had to resort to doing things like trading draft picks for older vets, and overpaying vets in FA.

    Things apparently have changed now. Mac is now able to try to build the team primarily through the draft. He doesn't have to try to bring in vets to start. He can draft players and let them start. He can trade down in lower rounds to add additional picks in an effort to try to improve the overall team depth and STs.

    With regards to Kelly, I don't think he was even on the Jets' draft board and for good reason. Mac and Bowles, and probably Woody too, do not want players with bad character/bad attitudes on the team. Kelly has a history/pattern of bad behavior and getting in trouble off the field. He is either very immature, or arrogant and stupid. He is so wildly inconsistent, that when viewed in terms of his off-field issues, I have to wonder if he is coachable and listens to what his coaches have tried to teach him, or just insists on doing things his way. In addition Mac and Bowles, maybe Morton didn't want Kelly, either. It's natural to question and wonder why, but we all (including me) can be too quick to criticize and condemn that which we don't understand.

    I wish teams had to release their draft boards every year to the media and explain their rationales for how they had players rated, who wasn't on their draft boards, etc. I think it would help fans better understand, and maybe trust their GMs more, but it also could have the opposite effect, and make some fans dislike their GMs more. It also could be embarrassing for the team or some players when those players found out that they were a 2nd, 3rd or 4th choice at a position. I understand why teams don't, but I wish they had to.

    Talent isn't everything, even though some of you posters seem to think it is. Attitude, heart, character (hard working, disciplined, team-first, coachable, non-stop motor, love for the game, and respect for their coaches and teammates, etc.) play a big role in whether players make it in the NFL, how good they become, and as a result, how good their teams become. Every year, supremely gifted players are taken at the top of the draft and bust either because they have poor character or attitudes. They either don't love the game or love the money, fame and lifestyle more, so don't try to become the best they can. They try to do enough to get by, or try to get by as they always have, on their natural ability, and discover that they are no longer bigger, stronger, faster, or better than everyone around them. Every year, players are taken in lower rounds who are less talented, who don't have the ideal size, weight, arm length, speed, etc., but they have a TON of heart and desire, and they not only make it onto teams, but some of them become not only starters, but stars, and some even become HOFers.

    While I don't pretend to understand or even like every move Mac makes, I think he has a valid reason for doing it. Yesterday, a lot of posters were questioning why two WRs back to back, when WR wasn't a need, then last night we discovered that Smith had torn his ACL, and all of a sudden drafting two WRs made some sense. Many of us question/didn't understand the pick of the OLB from the small school in GA. Well, he's a kid with high character, heart, desire and love for the game. Maybe that won't be enough, but maybe it will and he'll become a STs demon at a minimum, and maybe even a quality pass rush specialist.
     
  3. mr nyjet

    mr nyjet Well-Known Member

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    comparing kelly's last two years in college to hackenberg, kelly was superior. and, using a 7th round pick on a redshirt makes sense.
    using a 2nd round pick is just stupid.
     
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    JetBlue Well-Known Member

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    Can't we wait until Kelly even makes a Pro Bowl as a replacement to argue the last player in the draft indicates poor management.

    Ever team passed on him, but drafting him with the final pick indicates strong management? My fucking goodness, the sheer stupidity of such an argument should convince Skynet to forego Judgement Day because we aren't smart enough to not kill our selves and they are better off just waiting us out.
     
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    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    For real. We also don't have the proper coaching structure to take on a player like Chad Kelly. He's supposedly a giant dickhead and wasn't very liked by his teammates and hated by the opposition. Your quarterback isn't the guy that's supposed to be talking shit to everyone. That's for the corners, safeties, linebackers and receivers to do.

    Kelly needed to go to a team like the Broncos, Patriots or even the Jags with Coughlin/Marrone that have dictators in place to keep him in line. He would've been an absolute cancer to youthful quarterbacks like Petty & Hackenberg.
     
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    John Elway did his friend a personal favor by making sure his nephew didn't go undrafted. That's all that happened there.
     
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    JetBlue Well-Known Member

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    Exactly.
     
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    You are spot on, the y said that Elway was on the phone with Kellys before the pick was made.
     
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  9. pender30

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    The better comparison would be when Elway took Brock in the second round of his second draft. Looks like Mac is right on schedule.
     
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    Greenday4537 Well-Known Member

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    People can keep calling me crazy, but Mac picked Hackenberg because he panicked. When we didn't take Paxton Lynch in the first (rightfully so), a lot of dumbass Jets fans and newspapers went nuts and flipped out on Mac. I think he honestly feared for his job and just decided to spend his next pick on a QB he liked regardless of worth. He thought taking a QB Round 2 would take the pressure off his neck.

    Hackenberg is what happens when you let idiot fans run the team.
     
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    At risk of bringing politics into the Jets forum, I know you don't like Trump. When Trump supporters rationalize his performance, you probably shake your head. But your post reads pretty much the same, expect for Mac instead of Trump. I did the same thing for Fitz last year until the Cardinals game when I saw there was no point in making excuses for him anymore.
     
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    Martin&theJETS Well-Known Member

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    Doubtful. GMs wouldn't have jobs if they crumbled like this.
     
  13. MoWilkBeast

    MoWilkBeast Well-Known Member

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    Not to mention the secret pre-draft meetings. A clear indication of panic.
     
  14. Walt White

    Walt White Well-Known Member

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    Sure. They were watching ESPN at the time and paying attention to what the fans who show up at the draft do in front of the camera. Okay.
     
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    To use Kelly as an example for a comparison between the draft success of 2 teams is really hilarious . Any one that after punching a bouncer in the face and then goes on to say ''going to go to my car and get my AK-47 and spray this place', he shouldn't even be considered for being able to play on a professional level.
     
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  17. Zach

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    Gambling on Mr. Irrelevant is a HALLMARK of a good franchise!

    Rd 6 and 7 are where HoF players are at. You heard it here first.
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 2018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Chad Kelly was totally pumped for the draft. He was a bundle of nerves in anticipation for the next step of his football career.

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  19. The Waterboy

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    You actually read that? Some posters I might take the time to read a lengthy post but there are others that almost always feel the need to write a book and it's usually not worth reading.
     
  20. Martin&theJETS

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    Heart of a lion
     

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