Holes everywhere, no playmakers and no identity falls on the GM and scouting staff more than the HC. Any HC will look clueless when the talent level on the team is declining and holes are opening up everywhere in the process. Note that Bowles looked pretty good going 10-6 in 2015. That team had a QB having a career year, 2 veteran playmakers at WR having near peak seasons, an offensive line with several vets having a solid season but about to decline/retire, etc. That ALL went away in 2016 and not surprisingly Bowles looked out of his depth with a dysfunctional offense and a defense that also declined due to aging and injuries. In 2015 the GM made the decision to buy a lot of aging talent on the marketplace. He looked pretty good doing that and the HC looked good also. He doubled down in 2016 with more vet free agents/trades only this time the pickups were mostly failures and so was the season.
The overall roster does indeed fall on the GM/Scouting...there's no doubt about that. But the lack of identity I blame the HC for. For all the talent we've acquired via the draft on D...how come we don't have anything close to an aspect to hang our hat on? Both from a play-to-play aspect but also within scheme. This "Multiple" "Hybrid" whatever the hell you wanna call it...is just a fancy term for clueless chaos. All kinds of exotic fronts & fancy fits...none of it is close to successful.It's hard to build a defense as GM..when you don't know exactly what the coach wants to play. On any given play it could be anything; It's not as if the opposition is confused...or anyone thinks anything of these schemes.So what you end up w. is these ultra versatile type draft picks"hybrid" guys. Sure they can play in any scheme we wanna draw up...but they don't make any plays or give the team anything to hang their hat on. We were an aggressive blitz/back end press in Bowles first year.At least we could sort of depend on that. It was similar to what Rex did on the back end for all those year's prior. Then suddenly last year...even that philosophy was gone. Now our DL are jamming Te's off the line..DB's are playing off...and the Safeties have no idea how to direct traffic.They didn't cover a single WR all year long. The D was largely confused, undisciplined,stiff & slow. A large portion of that I place on the D playbook being too vast & open ended.Hence no identity.Pick a scheme.Pick players who fit that scheme.And then stick with that scheme. As for the O? They're an even bigger mess with even less of an identity. This one may place even more blame on GM/Scouting..but given that we dedicate no resources to that entire side of the ball from players,coaching or infrastructure...I don't place as much blame for the lack of effectiveness...there are simply no resources being provided for them to be anything but an afterthought.
Bowles defense worked last year and was not hard to classify. It was a 3-4 hybrid in a 5 backs configuration a lot of the time and it blitzed off the edges to complement the inside pressure the linemen produced. This year the defensive backs got old/injured and so roles changed (Pryor and Williams) and the new roles were not good for the people doing them. That took away the edge blitzing because if you can't press cover the receivers you're going to have problems blitzing from the edges. Without the edge blitzing the Jets could not get pressure and the weaknesses downfield in coverage became magnified and a crucial point of failure in the defense. Again, Bowles looked clueless this year because he could not do what he did last year and the personnel frankly blew chunks for a lot of the season. Revis outside - good in 2015, blew chunks in 2016 Skrine in the slot - good in 2015, outside blew chunks in 2016 Williams 6th DB - good in 2015, outside in the nickel blew chunks in 2016 Pryor mostly in the box - good in 2015, downfield in coverage blew chunks in 2016 Gilbert healthy with decent CB's - good in 2015, CB's blew chunks in 2016 and Gilbert looked bad and then he got hurt. Trying to judge the Jets coaching staff based on "can anybody still play this game?" is really hard to do.
We've had almost 50 years in uninterrupted "lost seasons", and the root cause of that is because ever since Leon took over, and then Woody, the ownership - and by extension their management -- have not instilled a winning above all else mentality like all successful franchises - in any sport - does. Leon and Woody were content to rake in the money, and sit in their luxury boxes and pretend. The Jets really need to be sold to somebody with a commitment to establishing a winning culture, until that happens expect more lost seasons. As for the cluelessness of the HC, it's clear he's in over his head. Trying to use all sorts of schemes and gimmicks is a sign of desperation. and the GM has to share in this because he's the one who has assembled this roster of over-the-hill, under-equipped patsies. The Jets need to get rid of much of their current roster and replace them with players who have a winning attitude, and who are teachable. Then, teach them the basics and drill that until it becomes second nature. Forget all the exotic schemes, stick to bread and butter and do it better than anyone else. Vince Lombardi followed that recipe and it did well by him. Hell, even Weeb Ewbank followed that design, which is why the Jets beat the Colts in SB III. Yeah, their roster was a little better than the current Jets roster, but that's where it starts: having a winning identity, and only signing players who share that philosophy.
I'm not sure what people expected from Forte, he was never a breakaway runner, but a steady threat who could receive as well as run effectively. I think he performed that role well with the Jets until he got hurt. Totally disagree about Thomas Jones. Was one of the best acquisitions this franchise has made IMO. Having said that, I would prefer the Jets draft a RB instead of bringing in 30 yr olds on the way out.
We went from Parcells to Herm to Mangini to Rex to Bowles. Throw Groh in there if you think he was any kind of factor. Tell me what the hell kind of personality this franchise is supposed to have. It's like if your dad had multiple personality disorder and couldn't decide if he was your drill sergeant or your best bud.
That's exactly the problem! Because the ownership doesn't have a clear vision, they've just jumped from GM/HC to GM/HC without any thought to building a continuous identity. Parcells was the closest to achieving this, but then he left. If we don't get new ownership, than at least can Woody's brother hire somebody like Parcells to run things and get out of his way?
+10000 Imagine if the Jets were ownerships ONLY source of income You would see excellent Coaches GMs players and winning seasons
I created this thread but after hearing a dose of the sad truth here iam ready to throw up in my mouth
Am interested in how Hack and Petty do and how are draft pans out.... I want to see what the new coordinator does to the offense. Other than that, this isn't just the Lost Season, its a Lost Sports Generation of a Hemingway-esque magnitude.
+100000 Were you around when we lost Parcells???? Were you here when hated Bellichick, arguably one of the GOAT left for NE??? (Just saw a stat on NFL network he has been in 20 per cent of the modern era SBs) Its disgusting ....missed opportunities
I'm listing tongue in cheek mind you b/c most of their performances as jets don't translate to "Highly talented" High priced UFA'S: -Pace -Revis -Skrine -Gilchrist -Cromartie High draft picks -Lee -Pryor -Wilkerson -Coples -Richardson -Milliner -Jenkins -Mauldin That's a tone of resources dedicated to defensive talent. How many of these guys have worked out?What do we have to show for it?
My intent was not to blast Jones or Forte. They have been workhorses who served their purpose. But this franchise needs a true game changer w. the ball in his hands.Every time this franchise seems to have their back to the wall at the offensive skill position where they HAVE to make a big move..they go w. a 28-29 year old big name RB...who might be able to produce but does not make big plays & doesn't scare the opposition. You wanna have a 3 down RB who can block/catch & eat up positive carries?That's all fine & good. But that doesn't remove the need for a home run hitter who can occassionally make something out of nothing & actually cause an opposing defense to alter their alignment. All the aforementioned jack of all trades does is bring 9-10 in the box.The Jets always seem to be satisfied w. no dynamics or big play ability from their O. It's impossible to win w. that mentality in today's NFL.
You can win with a grind it out mentality, similar to the Jets plans in their best seasons since Kotite left the building. However that takes more overall talent across the board than a normal plan, because any mistake can kill you when you play that type of game and in the post-season a mistake will always kill you when you try to go round after round of grind it out. Also, injuries have a higher impact on a grind it out type team because you can't afford even a single point of failure when you're running a sequence offense or a bend-but-don't-break defense. Those points of failure will turn a good team into an average team in a hurry. What the Jets have been doing over and over again is creating a strong defense and then relying on the offense to score just enough to grind out games. When this works they've been eventually losing to a team with a more talented QB in the playoffs like clockwork. When it doesn't work they've had trouble winning 5 games.
Yes And the only real difference is IQ since Quinn was smart enough to recognize the difference between Geno Smith and Matt Ryan. Bowles grabbed 3 years of coaching pay and a chance to revisit Sat afternoons football games at Elizabeth NJ High School
