The Case for Letting Mo Play 2016 Under the Tag

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  1. HomeoftheJets

    HomeoftheJets Well-Known Member

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    First of all, I'd rather trade Mo than release him. But by keeping Mo on the tag this year, we can:

    1. Get Pro Bowl production for what's somehow below market value.
    2. See if Richardson stays clean and/or Williams improves.
    3. Tag and trade Mo after this season for 2017 picks.
    4. Or sign Mo long term after this season if the market value for defensive lineman drops.

    I'd say that's worth 15.7M.
     
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  2. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely. We seem to be on the same page on this.

    In response to the post you quoted:


    The Cromartie deal is not at all what crippled our cap this season. It was a deal that could easily be taken off the books this year by cutting him. While he sucked last year we needed to spend X amount of money last year to reach the 4 year money spent figure every team nerds to reach to avoid penalties.

    Cromartie sucked. Revis didn't suck but he is massively overpaid. If you want to blame any contract on not resigning Mo, blame it on our 31 year old corner whom seemingly should hit his decline very soon.

    Fans are in love with cap space. "Cut Breno" is what I hear a lot. We have absolutely no offensive line depth. After rethinking it, we need to keep every possible offensive lineman with NFL starting experience.

    It sucks to possibly lose Mo, but I'm not dumping over $100 million & $60+ million in guaranteed money into a guy that has two Pro Bowlers (or one and the #6 overall pick) behind him. Name me the team with 3 stud defensive lineman, in the 3-4, ever... the pass rush is too congested and the Jets are moving to having an athletic front, rather than a slow lumbering pass rush that is easy to gameplan for because they all operate in the same space. Think 'Melo and Amare and how they didn't work too well because they were fighting for the same shots. When none of the 3 ends can really rush the edge, if you send them all on the same down it allows the quarterback to break contain very easily, and the offensive lineman to know they only really need to protect their inside shoulder. These guys are extraordinary athletes at their size but they get in each others way.

    We should look to take the money we would've spent on Mo last year and try to improve the other side of the trenches next year that is one injury away from maybe ending our season and that includes most likely subpar play from Breno & Winters. If Mangold/Carpenter/Clady go down we might as well mail in our 6-10 record for the year. That's how thin we are.
     
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  3. Ohnoit'sGeno

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    How did that plan work of trading Muhammad Wilkerson this year. No one was paying his contract, and giving a high draft choice. That isn't changing next year. Must learn from history, or you're doomed.

    What is the chance Muhammad Wilkerson doesn't' get annoying leg pulls etc , that are associated when a player misses most of training camp.( not to mention the distraction All training camp of when is he coming in. The Jets are playing way better teams this year- his production going to drop.

    The Jets aren't paying Muhammad Wilkerson under any circumstances , that fantasy talk that the price for defense lineman is going to go down.
    The Jets are most likely going to let Wilkerson leave next year. Now instead of having the 15.7 million to roll over, they threw 15.7 million down on a lost season.
     
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  4. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Yeah you're right. They should always play for next year and always leave $16 million lying around so we have cap space the following year. Play to win this year? Fuck off fans. We're going biiiiiig next year with dat cap space.
     
  5. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    It's not a matter of "playing for next year" and ignoring this year. The goal for any NFL team is to get to and win the Super Bowl. The ideal is that one makes moves that help your team progress towards or achieve that goal, not moves that keep you treading water or moving backwards. IMO unless having Mo play this year enables them to work out a long term deal with him and he then in turn helps them win a Super Bowl, his playing here this year contributes nothing towards that goal in the grand scope of things. It will not contribute towards the Jets getting to or winning a Super Bowl. They aren't winning one this year. You yourself have said that you don't think Mo should be signed long term as you don't want to pay him $100 million or $60 million in guarantees. So what does it accomplish? IMO I see the only things it accomplishes is keeping Jets players happy who like Mo, satisfies short-sighted Jets fans who can't see the forest for the trees, and perhaps wins us 1-2 more games.

    They probably won't even make the playoffs even with Mo here. So his playing here this season contributes nothing towards the goal of winning a Super Bowl. Conversely, being able to use part of that $16 million to sign a couple of camp cut veteran OL to shore up the OL could make a huge difference this season and could possibly enable the Jets to make the playoffs. Having that additional $16 million or even $10 million (if they used $6 million this year to sign a couple of OL for 2-3 years), could enable them to sign a young premier FA who could help get them over the top and win a Super Bowl. If a GM hopes to be with a team for 30 years, he doesn't look at one year at a time for 30 years. He looks to the future and what the team needs long term to make it a consistent playoff team and legit Super Bowl competitor. He then tries not to make moves for the short term that will hurt the team's long term progress and success.
     
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  6. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    The Jets scenario with Mo has always been dicey at best once it became clear they could not sign him long-term.

    The problem is that the offense is the problem. You can't fix the Jets chances to win a championship on the defensive side of the ball at this point no matter how many 1st round choices and free agents you have on that side of the ball. Mo is a gigantic sideshow on the big question, which is when will the Jets find the QB they need to become a serious contender? They've spent mid-round picks on QB's in 3 out of the last 4 seasons trying to find that guy with Geno in 2013, Petty in 2015 and now Hackenberg in 2016. Anything after the 36 pick is effectively a mid-round choice at QB.
     
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  7. NYJetsO12

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    +10000

    The Jets roll up defensive players every year like there will be some shortage in years to come. With so many players like Richardson and the depth there Mo is essentially screwed, doubly screwed even for a long term deal with the market exploding

    Meanwhile your OL could potentially crumble and the QB situation a mess. In Macs defense he has tried to trade Mo, trade up to get a QB, trade up to get Tunsil for the OL. All these have been prohivitive in cost and mortgaging the future

    Options: Tank the year go 3-13 and get a top 3 draft choice at QB

    or

    Resign Fitz and avoid rolling the dice with Geno,,,,,GET IT DONE BEFORE TC

    If Mac/Fitz continue to wait its foolish and dangerous

    Despite the schedule and what NC is saying we CAN win this year and make the playoffs...myself and plenty of pundits on NFL network agree we are very strong team

     
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  8. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    The Jets really need to build the OL at this point. It's going to go south on us in a hurry and we're going to be 4-12 again.

    There's a really good argument at this point for trying to trade Mo for an average OT/OG who is 26 or 27 and under contract for a few years. That would give the Jets the space to fix the line before it becomes one of those everybody gets hurt/declines at the same time (2005), Adrien Clarke wins a job by default (2007) or Wayne Hunter happens (2011) disaster.
     
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  9. JStokes

    JStokes Well-Known Member

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    What we really need is a bunch of average lineman that we never have to pay very much. Ever.

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