Coaching Trees

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  1. MaximusD163

    MaximusD163 Well-Known Member

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    On the offensive side, Marty Mornhinweg's roots date back deep in the coaching world. The true beginning goes back to Sid Gillman mentoring Al Davis, who in turn mentored Bill Walsh in the mid 60's. Gillman was responsible for innovating the deep vertical passing game that didn't exist prior to then, and that style was passed from Gillman to Davis to Walsh. Walsh moved on to the Bengals under Paul Brown, and there he essentially created the "West Coast Offense" which relied more on quicker horizontal pass patterns. After moving up to OC with the Chargers, then HC at Stanford, he finally attained HC with the 49ers.

    The modern offensive coaching tree starts with the success of Bill Walsh, as the offensive minded HC of the 49ers from 1979-1988. Walsh won 3 Super Bowls, in 1981, 1984, and 1988. Mike Holmgren was an offensive coach under Walsh from 1986-1988, and was OC in the 1988 season they won the SB. After Walsh's retirement, Holmgren remained OC and leader of the offense winning another SB in the 1989 season. George Seifert was the defensive minded HC who took over for Walsh, but he was strongly influenced by Walsh and had a strong hand in offensive affairs.

    Holmgren was rewarded with a HC position with the Packers in 1992. Joining him in 1992 was Steve Marriucci (QB Coach) and Andy Reid (offensive assistant/offensive line coach). Marty Mornhinweg joined the staff in 1995 (offensive assistant) which was his lone season with Steve Marriucci, who left after the season to become HC at Cal. Mornhinweg replaced Marriucci as QB coach in 1996. The Packers were highly successful under Holmgren, winning a SB in the 1996 season. Marriucci was offered the HC position for the 49ers after one year, and brought Mornhinweg on board as the OC. Andy Reid took over as QB coach after Mornhinweg's departure. Mike Sherman was the TE coach under Holmgren in his last 2 years in Green Bay (1997-1998), and when Holmgren was hired as HC for the Seahawks in 1999 he hired Sherman as his OC. After just 1 season as OC there, the Packers hired Sherman as head coach in 2000. Sherman's tenure lasted from 2000-2005. Darrell Bevell was hired by Sherman in 2000 as an assistant QB coach, and became QB coach in 2003-2005.

    Marriucci and Mornhinweg had success early, dominating the 1997 and 1998 season. Mornhinweg was hired to become HC of the Lions in 2001. Mornhinweg's career as HC of the Lions was short lived and underwhelming, causing him to be fired after the 2002 season.

    Jumping back to 1999, Andy Reid was hired to become the Eagles HC. Reid hired Brad Childress as QB coach, who became OC in 2003. Coinciding with Mornhinweg's release as HC from the Lion in the 2003 offseason, he was hired by Reid as QB coach. After the 2005 season, Brad Childress was hired as HC of the Vikings, and Mornhinweg was promoted to OC. Mornhinweg remained as OC from through 2012.

    -On a side note, Harvin's OC for 2 years in Minnesota was Derrell Bevell, who was hired by Brad Childress when the Packers blew up Sherman's coaching staff after 2005. Harvin's OC for the other 2 years was Bill Musgrave, who coached under George Seifert and Gil Haskell (another mid 90's Packers offensive mind) in Carolina for a stint, thus part of the same tree. While Bevell and Musgrave have experience under the same tree and some of the same coaches, neither have ever been on a coaching staff with Mornhinweg.

    Notable QB's who have come out of the Walsh-Holmgren-Reid/Mornhinweg coaching tree include Joe Montana, Steve Young, Brett Favre, Matt Hasselbeck, and Donovan McNabb.
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    On the defensive side, the tree becomes even more complicated. Rex Ryan comes partly from the Buddy Ryan tree, the innovator of the 46 defense. Rex learned this style of defense first hand, growing up on the sidelines of his father's teams. To get to the root of the rest of Rex's influences, we have to go back to Don Shula, Sid Gillman, and Tom Landry.

    Marty Schottenheimer rose up as a defensive coach in a few season with the Giants and the Lions, before landing as DC with the Browns in 1980. In New York, Schottenheimer had served under Bill Arnsparger, the defensive coach behind the "Noname Defense" of the undefeated Miami Dolphins. Don Shula of course being the HC of that team.

    By 1984, Schottenheimer had been promoted to HC, a position he retained until after the 1988 season. Bill Cowher played under Schottenheimer from 1980-1982, and after finishing his playing career with the Eagles, he took on a special teams coaching job under Schottenheimer in 1985. Cowher transition to defensive coaching in 1987, and moved with Schottenheimer to the Chiefs in 1989 at which time he was promoted to DC.

    In 1992, Cowher was given the HC job with the Steelers. Marvin Lewis was hired away from University of Pittsburgh to be his LB coach, which he remained through 1995. Lewis reached the playoffs all 4 years with the Steelers, culminating in a SB loss in 1995. Dom Capers was the DC in this span, while Dick LeBeau acted as DB coach from 1992-1994, and then DC in 1995-1996 when Capers accepted the position of HC for the Panthers.

    In 1996, Marvin Lewis was hired to be the DC of the Ravens, whom he guided to the famous 2000 defense, and won the SB in that year. Rex Ryan was hired as the DL coach in 1999 after success in the college coaching ranks, and was a part of that 2000 SB win. Rex served his first 3 years as DL coach under Lewis, and his second 3 years as DL coach under Mike Nolan.

    Mike Nolan's father was Dick Nolan, a DC under Tom Landy's Cowboys, and later HC of the 49ers. Landry also mentored Dan Reeves, one of his players turned coaches. Mike Nolan rose up as a ST coach and LB coach with the Broncos under HC Dan Reeves and DC Wade Phillips. When Reeves went to take the Giants HC job, Nolan accompanied him and became DC, while Wade Phillips took over the HC job for the Broncos, before eventually moving on to the Bills.

    (Wade Phillips rose through the coaching ranks as a defensive coach under his father, Bum Phillips, notably with the Oilers. Bum Phillips was a direct disciple of Sid Gillman)

    Nolan served one season as DC under Al Groh, in 2000 with Bill Parcells serving as GM.

    The following season, came to the Ravens as a WR coach, but only one season later he took over as DC when Marvin Lewis took the Redskins DC job. In 2005, Nolan would take the HC job with the 49ers, leaving the DC job open for Rex Ryan to step into.

    Ryan's strongest influences are no doubt the 46 defense based on Buddy Ryans coaching and the modern 3-4 defense based on Bill Cowher/Dom Capers/Dick LeBeau and Marvin Lewis' defenses of the 90's and early 2000's. The Mike Nolan's variety of influences no doubt carried down to Ryan on some level as well.



    Hopefully I didn't miss anything important.
     
  2. MaximusD163

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    cool thread. I found this to fill in a little ... obviously outside the jets specifically but I think it's a cool subject.

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    you can also now add pettine below rex
     
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    Good point
     
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    It would be interesting to see the win/loss record before and after the head coaching jobs and the sustained success of each.

    Obviously most of these guys were helped out with great QB'S...or were the QB's great because of the coaching? It seems too consistent to be luck.
    Great talent evaluation for sure by these teams.
     
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    wow very interesting...thanks for putting this together. I like MM being a descendant of Bill Walsh.
     
  9. RochesterJet

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    It's pretty amazing how success breed success. This should be a lesson to our younger generation, nothing is handed, everything is earned. With that said, Rex and Mart need to make some of their mentors proud!

    Jets thump the bills this week. 24-3
     
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    Interesting read on all of this. Now they have to focus on the present


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    You don't Coach Trees..
    ya Smoke em... :confused:
     
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    Shouldn't Rex be a branch on Brian Billick's tree with Pettine then under Rex?
     
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    Good info. His roots may go way back but he still leaves a lot to be desired as an OC.
     
  14. jdon

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    I just think marty scripts 20 plays or whatever, and a lot of times they work, and after that he is useless. Does not seem to think on is feet. He seems to run out of gas. All those telegraphed 2nd and long run plays. I think I am watching Schotty from the second period on.
     
  15. Barry the Baptist

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    Actually Billick would also be under Bill Walsh as he was the OC in Minny under Denny Green who was on the staff at both Stanford and the 49ers under Bill Walsh.

    John Harbaugh was hired by Ray Rhodes in Philly who I also believe falls under Mike Holmgren who of course would also fall under Walsh.
     
  16. MaximusD163

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    Brian Billick was more of an offensive coach, and didn't have as much to do with Rex. A lot of times you can see how much a HC is involved in the other side of the ball when they hire in house or from outside to replace coordinator positions. When Billick brought in Marvin Lewis to be DC, and after Lewis he brought in Mike Nolan. This indicates he wanted coaches with their own scheme, while he focused on offense.
     
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    Rex and Buddy - at seasons end the tree will be dead.
     
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    so is Bruce Coslet
     
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    How would you guys describe Buddy's Tree???

    68-75: Jets D-Line coach with Walt Michaels as DC and Weeb Ewbank as HC Helped us win Super Bowl III
    76-77: Vikings D-Line coach Purple People Eaters
    78-85: Bears DC where he perfected the 46 defense.
    After the Bears HC Neill Armstrong got fired in 82 the D players wanted George Halas to let Buddy takeover as HC but Halas hired Mike Ditka. (not a bad move)
    Now Ditka let Buddy stay on as DC but they both hated each other and fought openly. Ditka challenged Buddy to a fight on MNF in 85 in a game against the Dolphins the 1 game the Bears lost that season. Both Ditka and Buddy got carried off the field by the team after the Bears won Super Bowl XX 46-10 against the Pats LOL!

    This lead to Buddy getting the HC job with the Eagles in 86 but with the hate Buddy had for Ditka how would you link the 2???
     
  20. Footballgod214

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    Bruce must have been the bad apple that fell out of the tree
     

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