He knocked her unconscious and dragged her like a sack. Then she married him. I'd say that Ike and Tina is a pretty valid comparison.
Coming from a guy that thinks that spitting is valid justification for punching a woman unconscious (and yes, that is exactly what you were intimating), I don't think you have a point.
I think maybe your missing the context of how the altercation occurred. They weren't sitting on the sofa like adults discussing whether Ray was going to watch Sons of Anarchy while she wanted to watch America's got talent and she decided to express her displeasure by spitting in him. They were totally whacked out at a casino, she probably caught him with another chick, she repeatedly came after him at least by one account at one point with a champagne bottle and he decked her. That's not expressing oneself. These aren't 2 adults having a discussion. This was an all out conflagration. There's no just walking away from it, but there has to be some level of restraint. A guy that can squat 500 lbs shouldn't be popping a 110 pound woman in the jaw--not unless she was using something close to deadly force. _
We see eye to eye except for the fact that you shouldn't be spitting on people or going after people with wine bottles. Both of them weren't thinking straight (clearly) if she feels the need to spit/hit a guy to make her point then maybe she should've walked away. He was wrong for whatever he did before the punch and was wrong for knocking her out. I just don't like that people are vilifying Ray as if his girlfriend was an innocent victim.
We are not seeing eye to eye. I'm not sure what kind of idealistic world you live in. There was no "walking away" from this altercation. It was going to escalate no matter what. The woman was not just going to reflect quietly and say, "you know what, I should just let this spat go till tomorrow and we'll settle it at breakfast like rational adults". No one is saying she's innocent. No one thinks she was sitting quietly in a lounge chair and he snuck up on her and cold cocked her. There has to be some level of restraint when a world class athlete from the most violent of sports is faced with a crazed, drunk, perhaps jealous woman. An upper cut to the jaw or a right hook is not an appropriate response, regardless of whether she spat on him or not. What if she just threw a drink at him? A punch still ok? No bodily fluids involved. Wait, what if it was a Bloody Mary, that could be quite messy, surely a tight left jab is ok, right? We are not seeing eye to eye. _
When I said eye to eye I'm talking about this. "They weren't sitting on the sofa like adults discussing whether Ray was going to watch Sons of Anarchy while she wanted to watch America's got talent and she decided to express her displeasure by spitting in him. They were totally whacked out at a casino, she probably caught him with another chick, she repeatedly came after him at least by one account at one point with a champagne bottle and he decked her." Both parties weren't in their right minds. And yes walking away can diffuse the situation. Neither one did that, he said something, she said something. Tempers flare on both sides. And spitting and attacking a professional athlete isn't a wise decision. He shouldn't of hit her but he did. The situation wasn't handled well on both sides.
Nope, still not eye to eye. Not even close. Just a mention the theoretical concept of walking away misses my point geometrically. And she did not spit on and attack a professional athlete. She spit on and attacked her fiancé who she was out for blood for because of some real or perceived slight. Probably a really bad one. If she had a knife or a gun, then the gloves come off (literally). Restraint, deflect, control. Not smash in the face. One wrong and one felony do not make a right. _
My point is walking away my point is that they weren't just sitting around and had a minor disagreement and she spit on him and he knocks her out. However you don't attack spit or hit anyone. Keep your hands to yourself. Having a vagina doesn't absolve or make what she did justifiable. There needs to be accountability. She's not a child. So once again both were in the wrong and it was handled poorly by both parties.
His size and the fact that he is a professional athlete who's job requires he stay in top physical shape is a very important factor here. His life was not in danger from being spit on but one punch from him very well could have killed her, had she fallen on her head wrong Rice could very well have been in a jail cell now instead of facing a 2 game suspension. Even though she may be wrong for spitting on him his reaction was multiple levels off from acceptable.
Well maybe if she didn't spit on him. She wouldn't have gotten knocked out. Accountafuckingbility. Rice was wrong. She was wrong. And yes spitting IS a justifiable reason to get hit. That's disgusting and highly disrespectful. If you get to a point where your woman or anybody can even ponder the thought of spitting on you. Then you've failed at some point in that relationship.
Both parties weren't thinking straight and emotions were high yet he was the only one that is being vilified for not showing restraint? How about both of them should've shown restraint? Maybe he could've walked away and avoided conflict. Maybe she should've walked away and avoided the conflict. But neither did that. He shouldn't have hit her therefore he was wrong. She shouldn't have hit him and spit on him. Therefore she was wrong. No one is more right or wrong in this situation. Her having a vagina doesn't absolve her.
Who the fuck cares if she spit on him. my god. she's a woman. He's a man AND a fucking NFL player. Of course people are going to vilify him. fuck.
