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BroadwayMike

06-09-2006, 12:28 PM

By any chance, through any rumor mills or whatever, have any of the named names been leaked yet? I can't wait to see who is on there. I bet Clemens is one of the names.

GreenMachine

06-09-2006, 01:15 PM

I have heard Knoblauch, Piazza, Clemens, Gonzalez, and Schilling...But those are all just rumors.

3rdAnd15Draw

06-09-2006, 01:25 PM

knoblauch :rofl:

GreenGiant 32

06-09-2006, 01:28 PM

knoblauch :rofl:

Explains all those overthrows to 1st.

KOZ

06-09-2006, 01:30 PM

He said "knob." I heard that 17A actually rubbed the cream and clear on the backsides of the implicated players...Disgusting I tell ya!

GreenMachine

06-09-2006, 01:31 PM

knoblauch :rofl:
He is well known to be very good friends with Grimsley

KOZ

06-09-2006, 01:32 PM

He is well known to be very good friends with Grimsley

Good friends or lifelong friends?

3rdAnd15Draw

06-09-2006, 01:41 PM

i think all these guys should be blacklisted at hop sings

Sundayjack

06-09-2006, 01:51 PM

i think all these guys should be blacklisted at hop sings
:lol: :lol:

(filler)

17a_tailgater

06-09-2006, 01:56 PM

I rubbed the clear and the cream on my unit as a lubricant.

GreenMachine

06-09-2006, 01:56 PM

I rubbed the clear and the cream on my unit as a lubricant.
No wonder your wife has such a muscular vag.

AMJets

06-09-2006, 01:59 PM

i think all these guys should be blacklisted at hop sings

She name names.

BroadwayMike

06-09-2006, 02:28 PM

any relatively credible sources or links to the names?

I heard Chris Myers on Sports radio say that the sports media has seen the document without any names being blanked out, but are not coming forth with the names to avoid slander suits. I imagine it's only a matter of time before it's leaked, ala Giambi and Bonds testimonies....

kinghenry89

06-09-2006, 05:38 PM

I have heard Knoblauch, Piazza, Clemens, Gonzalez, and Schilling...But those are all just rumors.
I can totally believe Knoblauch. Remember during his last few days with the Yankees how he became more of a power hitter and much more prone to injury. Plus, it would've made sense for him to try and boost his game with the way fans were attacking him.

Clemens is unbelievable to me. He goes through his ultra-intense workout all the time so I don't think that he would need drugs to help him muscle up. Plus, they would've taken a toll on his muscles and Clemens has been relatively injury free in his shockingly long career.

Schilling I also can't see. He's such a cerebral pitcher that I don't think he would ever try to get a physical boost like that.

10nyjets87

06-09-2006, 06:10 PM

I can totally believe Knoblauch. Remember during his last few days with the Yankees how he became more of a power hitter and much more prone to injury. Plus, it would've made sense for him to try and boost his game with the way fans were attacking him.

Clemens is unbelievable to me. He goes through his ultra-intense workout all the time so I don't think that he would need drugs to help him muscle up. Plus, they would've taken a toll on his muscles and Clemens has been relatively injury free in his shockingly long career.

Schilling I also can't see. He's such a cerebral pitcher that I don't think he would ever try to get a physical boost like that.
knoblauch barely ever hit homeruns. Roids or not that stance would not allow it.

Mexican Buc

06-09-2006, 06:31 PM

:lol: :lol:

(filler)
You went through a lot of trouble to hide that filler. Why not just ass another :lol: instead.

Barry the Baptist

06-09-2006, 06:45 PM

Just something I have heard but I've heard a bunch of Orioles thrown around..... Obviously Sosa and Palmeiro but Tejada and Javy Lopez as well.

I've also heard and it pains me to say it but Carlos Beltran and Jermaine Dye

The Future

06-09-2006, 09:22 PM

I would beat the shit out of Grimsley. What a fvkin rat. Sure what he is doing is is good for the game, getting rid of the cheaters. But I mean he knows he sucks, he is doing it for attention. What a rat.

Jetfanmack

06-09-2006, 09:27 PM

I think Grimsley just snapped under pressure from the feds. It's not like he wrote a book and named names.

FirstTimeCaller

06-09-2006, 09:32 PM

Clemens is a given.

Jonathan_Vilma

06-09-2006, 09:55 PM

knoblauch barely ever hit homeruns. Roids or not that stance would not allow it.
Knoblauch was hitting some absolute ropes at the end of the 2001 season whether they were homeruns or not. I don't think that he took them throughout his career. He was too good of a singles hitter, and not much of a power hitter.

GreenMachine

06-09-2006, 09:57 PM

knoblauch barely ever hit homeruns. Roids or not that stance would not allow it.
It is NOT just roids!

HGH is the major drug...

Cakes

06-09-2006, 10:00 PM

Clemens is a given.

He did have the rage real bad circa 2000.

GreenMachine

06-09-2006, 10:14 PM

He did have the rage real bad circa 2000.
So did Perdro...Just ask Zimmer...:rofl:

FirstTimeCaller

06-09-2006, 10:16 PM

LOL! Yeah Pedro was raging against the short bald machine!

Cakes

06-09-2006, 10:29 PM

Zimmer had the rage- not Pedro.

GreenMachine

06-09-2006, 10:31 PM

Zimmer had the rage- not Pedro.
OK...Even when he said he wanted to pulll Babe out of the grave and plunk himn in the ass??:rofl:

kinghenry89

06-09-2006, 10:32 PM

knoblauch barely ever hit homeruns. Roids or not that stance would not allow it.

Knobby hit 17 homers in 1998 and 18 homers in 1999.

Clemens is a given.

Can I ask why? Clemens is notorious for having the most strict and intense workout in baseball and he also has never had any of those muscle injuries that steroids cause.

FirstTimeCaller

06-09-2006, 10:34 PM

Can I ask why? Clemens is notorious for having the most strict and intense workout in baseball and he also has never had any of those muscle injuries that steroids cause.

Can I ask why not? His workout partner hasn't had those same results... are we supposed to believe that in the age of Roids that Clemens is just a natural freak of nature that started getting better as he got older? I have a hard time buying that.

kinghenry89

06-09-2006, 11:03 PM

Can I ask why not? His workout partner hasn't had those same results... are we supposed to believe that in the age of Roids that Clemens is just a natural freak of nature that started getting better as he got older? I have a hard time buying that.
Andy Pettitte did have those results. His career was falling apart in the late '90s and we almost dealt him several times before he started working out with Clemens.

The Rocket got better because he moved from the American League to the National League and got a contract where he didn't have to do any intense traveling and got to choose exactly what he wanted to do and when he wanted to do it.

FirstTimeCaller

06-09-2006, 11:18 PM

Andy Pettitte did have those results. His career was falling apart in the late '90s and we almost dealt him several times before he started working out with Clemens.

The Rocket got better because he moved from the American League to the National League and got a contract where he didn't have to do any intense traveling and got to choose exactly what he wanted to do and when he wanted to do it.

Listen, I know the deal with you... you're a Clemens fan/appologist... I'm not going to change your mind and your not going to change mine no matter what is said. The Rocket Clemens got freakishly better way before he went to Houston... I don't care how much you work out and how much your work outs are publisized what he's done, much likes Bonds is unprecedented. Am I to believe that it's all based on his workouts and no other player in the history of the game has been able to do the same thing by working out hard?

I'm not buying that man.... this sin't all about hitting homeruns, a good % of the players busted for juice have been pitchers and I believe Clemens is one of the users.

GreenMachine

06-09-2006, 11:18 PM

FirstTimeCaller

06-09-2006, 11:20 PM

So if your work out partner gets hurt and you don't that means you are on the juice???

The point is... if working out hard get's you freakish results why hasn't Pettite, who works out with him and adopted the same regiment, had the same results?

kinghenry89

06-09-2006, 11:26 PM

Listen, I know the deal with you... you're a Clemens fan/appologist... I'm not going to change your mind and your not going to change mine no matter what is said. The Rocket Clemens got freakishly better way before he went to Houston... I don't care how much you work out and how much your work outs are publisized what he's done, much likes Bonds is unprecedented. Am I to believe that it's all based on his workouts and no other player in the history of the game has been able to do the same thing by working out hard?

I'm not buying that man.... this sin't all about hitting homeruns, a good % of the players busted for juice have been pitchers and I believe Clemens is one of the users.
You can't just ignore my arguement by labeling me a "Clemens apologist" and ignoring all of my very valid points about why Clemens doens't fit the profile of a juicer. I mean, I guess you can but you shouldn't.

I'm basically just going to give you the cliff notes in hope that you'll read them:

-Clemens does an intense workout. The kind that somebody who uses drugs to get in shape don't, can't or won't do.

-Pettitte did the same workout as Clemens and got similarly outstanding results.

-Clemens does not have the muscle injuries that plague players who use steroids. He's been one of the most durable players in baseball history, not at all what you'd expect from a steroid user.

-Clemens moved from the incredibly unforgiving AL East to the National League and signed a contract in Houston where he did not have to anything stressful at all and was able to dictate what he did and didn't do.

-Finally (and most importantly) Clemens had everything to lose and nothing to gain by using steroids. I don't know when you accuse him of starting, but by the time he got to the Yankees his legacy was already assured. By the time he got to the Astros he was considered one of the best pitchers in history, with a ring and several records. There would be no reason to juice.

Judge for yourself, I can't stop you. But at least look at it reasonably.

kinghenry89

06-09-2006, 11:27 PM

The point is... if working out hard get's you freakish results why hasn't Pettite, who works out with him and adopted the same regiment, had the same results?
Because Pettitte isn't as good a pitcher as Clemens?

The injuries that Pettitte has sustained aren't steroid style injuries. He hurt his elbow batting, he hasn't strained muscles and blown out knees.

FirstTimeCaller

06-09-2006, 11:29 PM

Because Pettitte isn't as good a pitcher as Clemens?

The injuries that Pettitte has sustained aren't steroid style injuries. He hurt his elbow batting, he hasn't strained muscles and blown out knees.

I'm not saying AP did drugs I'm saying Clemens did.

FirstTimeCaller

06-09-2006, 11:49 PM

You can't just ignore my arguement by labeling me a "Clemens apologist" and ignoring all of my very valid points about why Clemens doens't fit the profile of a juicer. I mean, I guess you can but you shouldn't.

I'm basically just going to give you the cliff notes in hope that you'll read them:

-Clemens does an intense workout. The kind that somebody who uses drugs to get in shape don't, can't or won't do.

-Pettitte did the same workout as Clemens and got similarly outstanding results.

-Clemens does not have the muscle injuries that plague players who use steroids. He's been one of the most durable players in baseball history, not at all what you'd expect from a steroid user.

-Clemens moved from the incredibly unforgiving AL East to the National League and signed a contract in Houston where he did not have to anything stressful at all and was able to dictate what he did and didn't do.

-Finally (and most importantly) Clemens had everything to lose and nothing to gain by using steroids. I don't know when you accuse him of starting, but by the time he got to the Yankees his legacy was already assured. By the time he got to the Astros he was considered one of the best pitchers in history, with a ring and several records. There would be no reason to juice.

Judge for yourself, I can't stop you. But at least look at it reasonably.

I am looking at it reasonalbly... I'm suggesting in an age of juiced out players somebody who has had supernatural results is suspect of using the juice. You don't even consider it possible, you're in full denial mode so much so that you don't even acknowledge it's possible, to me that's unreasonable.

-With all due respect this post reads like a lawyers defense. You're arguement is essentially that Clemens can and did work out harder then anybody else in the history of the game... you say his results are based on working out. Well what the hell kind of workout is this guy doing that nobody else in the history of baseball has figured out?!?! How come nobody else in MLB started getting better again at 37/38??? Why isn't his workout partner having the same results (see this years stats)? Andy's results were not nearly as good as Clemens.

-Not all users are plagued with injury so Clemens staying healthy doesn't say much to me. Rafael Palmeiro was also very durable throughout his career and he played everyday, not every fifth.

-Bonds had everything to lose too... he was a guaranteed first ballot hall of famer long before he bulked up. What you're trying to do with that point is rationalize... Roger Clemens doesn't think like your average person that why he is who he is... you're trying to put your logic in his head but it simply doesn't work like that. You have no idea what type of choices he would make.

deviljets7

06-10-2006, 12:04 AM

Can I ask why? Clemens is notorious for having the most strict and intense workout in baseball and he also has never had any of those muscle injuries that steroids cause.

While not neccessarily back injuries, Clemens has had more than a few leg muscle issues in recent years.

He all of a suddent took his game to another level in his late 30's/early 40's. Who else besides for Bonds has done it.

He has had more than a few "roid rage" type of incidents in his career.

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Maybe its me, but he seems to have also "grown" in hat size

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BadgerOnLSD

06-10-2006, 12:05 AM

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WTF is that on the left?

deviljets7

06-10-2006, 12:07 AM

WTF is that on the left?

Aerosmith's Joe Perry

FirstTimeCaller

06-10-2006, 12:07 AM

IS that the shirtless guy from aerosmith?

FirstTimeCaller

06-10-2006, 12:08 AM

His name should be Joe Girley Man

BadgerOnLSD

06-10-2006, 12:08 AM

Aerosmith's Joe Perry
So taking HGH made Clemens an Aerosmith fan?

FirstTimeCaller

06-10-2006, 12:11 AM

Or did a 20 year coke habit make Joe Perry a Clemens fan?

GreenMachine

06-10-2006, 12:13 AM

Or did a 20 year coke habit make Joe Perry a Clemens fan?
Mets fans should know about players and coke...

FirstTimeCaller

06-10-2006, 12:17 AM

Mets fans should know about players and coke...

Give it a rest... how's your boy Steve Howe doing?

GreenMachine

06-10-2006, 12:18 AM

Give it a rest... how's your boy Steve Howe doing?
Stevie and I are fine...We are chilling with Doc, Straw And Keith...:up:

FirstTimeCaller

06-10-2006, 12:31 AM

Listen I'd rather know about doing coke then molesting underage age girls and sharing my wife with teamates or making porn tapes with R. Kelly. If you've got to bring up Keith Hernandez everytime somebody discusses coke that's your problem.

kinghenry89

06-10-2006, 03:59 PM

I am looking at it reasonalbly... I'm suggesting in an age of juiced out players somebody who has had supernatural results is suspect of using the juice. You don't even consider it possible, you're in full denial mode so much so that you don't even acknowledge it's possible, to me that's unreasonable.

-With all due respect this post reads like a lawyers defense. You're arguement is essentially that Clemens can and did work out harder then anybody else in the history of the game... you say his results are based on working out. Well what the hell kind of workout is this guy doing that nobody else in the history of baseball has figured out?!?! How come nobody else in MLB started getting better again at 37/38??? Why isn't his workout partner having the same results (see this years stats)? Andy's results were not nearly as good as Clemens.

-Not all users are plagued with injury so Clemens staying healthy doesn't say much to me. Rafael Palmeiro was also very durable throughout his career and he played everyday, not every fifth.

-Bonds had everything to lose too... he was a guaranteed first ballot hall of famer long before he bulked up. What you're trying to do with that point is rationalize... Roger Clemens doesn't think like your average person that why he is who he is... you're trying to put your logic in his head but it simply doesn't work like that. You have no idea what type of choices he would make.

I already outlined several times why I think that Clemens got better: He went to the National League. He got a new contract that made things easy for him.

The Rocket was already one of the best pitchers in baseball history when he left New York. Why would it be bizarre for him to be wildly successful in a situation tailor made for him to succeed in? It doesn't add up to me.

Also, it's not like his workout is the only reason that he's a good pitcher. It just very, very strongly suggests that he wouldn't use steroids.

Rextasy

06-10-2006, 05:06 PM

Take a look at some of Clemens photos from is younger years and look at him now.. Then tell me he doesn't fit the profile of a juicer.

kinghenry89

06-10-2006, 10:39 PM

Take a look at some of Clemens photos from is younger years and look at him now.. Then tell me he doesn't fit the profile of a juicer.
I just did.

He bulked up, but unlike Barry Bonds for example there is heavily documented evidence of his workouts.

I'm sorry, this one just doesn't make any sense to me.

ACertainShade

06-10-2006, 11:15 PM

I just did.

He bulked up, but unlike Barry Bonds for example there is heavily documented evidence of his workouts.

I'm sorry, this one just doesn't make any sense to me.

Wow, do you read what you post or do you just slam your hands on the keyboard and post that.

kinghenry89

06-10-2006, 11:18 PM

Wow, do you read what you post or do you just slam your hands on the keyboard and post that.
Wow, is that the best you could do? Come on, I'll give you a free do over.

What have I said that's illogical?

Sundayjack

06-10-2006, 11:24 PM

I just did.

He bulked up, but unlike Barry Bonds for example there is heavily documented evidence of his workouts.

I'm sorry, this one just doesn't make any sense to me.
What doesn't make sense is a 44 year old man still able to put that kind of stress on his body without injury or incident. Bones, joints, and cartilage break down with age. There ain't no amount of working out that can change that. HGH could. Anabolic steroids could.

Does all this mean that Roger Clemens is, beyond a doubt, a juicer? No, certainly not. But, in the 2006 MLB, if someone is presenting as a unique specimen, defying 100 years of baseball history and chalking it up to being a "workout warrior," then I cast doubt on him. Whoever he is. Is that fair to Roger? Abso-freaking-lutely!

If MLB wants to try to change how I (and others) look at its players, it can start by releasing the near hundred or so names of players that tested positive in 2002, under MLB's first half-assed attempt at a drug testing policy. Of course, MLB can't do this without the assent of MLBPA, which it would never get. Next thing it would need to do to turn me is remove Bud Selig and appoint a commissioner with genuine impartiality. Would Bart Giamatti have let this sham go on this long far? Or Fay Vincent? Peter Ueberroth? Not a friggin' chance. As long as Bud is around, I will never believe that MLB's concern about steroid abuse is anything more than lip service.

Jetfanmack

06-10-2006, 11:50 PM

Wow, is that the best you could do? Come on, I'll give you a free do over.

What have I said that's illogical?
You can't just take steroids and have them have effect. Steroids complement working out and lifting. Steroids in and of themselves don't build muscles.

Cakes

06-10-2006, 11:55 PM

Clemens better be on steroids. I have him on two of my fantasy teams.

kinghenry89

06-11-2006, 08:55 AM

What doesn't make sense is a 44 year old man still able to put that kind of stress on his body without injury or incident. Bones, joints, and cartilage break down with age. There ain't no amount of working out that can change that. HGH could. Anabolic steroids could.

Does all this mean that Roger Clemens is, beyond a doubt, a juicer? No, certainly not. But, in the 2006 MLB, if someone is presenting as a unique specimen, defying 100 years of baseball history and chalking it up to being a "workout warrior," then I cast doubt on him. Whoever he is. Is that fair to Roger? Abso-freaking-lutely!

If MLB wants to try to change how I (and others) look at its players, it can start by releasing the near hundred or so names of players that tested positive in 2002, under MLB's first half-assed attempt at a drug testing policy. Of course, MLB can't do this without the assent of MLBPA, which it would never get. Next thing it would need to do to turn me is remove Bud Selig and appoint a commissioner with genuine impartiality. Would Bart Giamatti have let this sham go on this long far? Or Fay Vincent? Peter Ueberroth? Not a friggin' chance. As long as Bud is around, I will never believe that MLB's concern about steroid abuse is anything more than lip service.
That's very logical except that anabolic steroids would make cartilage and especially joints break down much more rapidly than just intense workout.

And my point with the workouts isn't that Clemens can't be using steroids because he works to hard, it's that he wouldn't use steroids because he works so damn hard. People who use steroids are people who don't have confidence in their game and who don't/won't/can't do the work required to get it where they want it to be. As far as I can tell, Clemens has never had any of those problems.

Clemens better be on steroids. I have him on two of my fantasy teams.
:rofl2:

deviljets7

06-11-2006, 12:19 PM

3rdAnd15Draw

06-11-2006, 12:28 PM

That's very logical except that anabolic steroids would make cartilage and especially joints break down much more rapidly than just intense workout.

And my point with the workouts isn't that Clemens can't be using steroids because he works to hard, it's that he wouldn't use steroids because he works so damn hard. People who use steroids are people who don't have confidence in their game and who don't/won't/can't do the work required to get it where they want it to be. As far as I can tell, Clemens has never had any of those problems.

:rofl2:

contrary to what most people think there IS a difference between steroids and HGH.

The human growth hormone (HGH or Somatotropin) has produced increases in the levels of insulin-like growth hormone 1 (IGF-1). There is a direct connection between the level of this hormone in a human�s body, and their age. As observed by many scientists, if this hormone could be kept at the levels of youth, then would the aging process be slowed down, or even stopped altogether? It is a question that has spawned much controversy within the ranks of physicians, with many leading doctors on both sides of the issue.

Sundayjack

06-11-2006, 07:41 PM

That's very logical except that anabolic steroids would make cartilage and especially joints break down much more rapidly than just intense workout.Just the opposite. Steroids heal and prevent those injuries. That's the whole purpose of steroids - their restorative ability.

However, I said "juicer," and didn't name the type of juice. I don't know what it is, but I'm willing to bet that he's enjoyed something.

People who use steroids are people who don't have confidence in their game and who don't/won't/can't do the work required to get it where they want it to be.
Huh? Barry Bonds is the most arrogant and over-confident player since Ty Cobb. Sheffield, Giambi, Palmero, McGwire, Sosa - these are timid, insecure players?

I don't think juicers have a personality profile.

kinghenry89

06-11-2006, 10:33 PM

Huh? Barry Bonds is the most arrogant and over-confident player since Ty Cobb. Sheffield, Giambi, Palmero, McGwire, Sosa - these are timid, insecure players?

I don't think juicers have a personality profile.

That's a fair point. I think that the majority of users are players like Matt Lawton or Alex Sanchez who use out of fear of not being able to compete (Jim Leyritz admitted to using HGH and amphetamines for the same reason.) In Bonds' case, from what I understand (assuming that Book of Shadows isn't total BS) Bonds was jealous of the attention that Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire got in the homerun chase and wanted to be the best of all time.

You could make a case for Clemens as a player like Bonds in that regard, though I can't imagine who he'd be chasing.

BTW 3rdand15, my arguement is against Clemens using anabolic steroids. I admittedly know very little about human growth hormone and won't take a stand on Clemens' possible use of it one way or another (if it seemed like I did before, I was being unfortunately unclear.)

FirstTimeCaller

10-07-2006, 12:24 AM

Given the recent news wondering if you still feel the same way Henry...

nyjunc

10-07-2006, 06:12 AM

Given the recent news wondering if you still feel the same way Henry...

The prosecutor said the report in the Los Angeles Times contained "significant inaccuracies," including the five names in the report.

And Grimsley's attorney told The Arizona Republic that Grimsley told agents that Clemens and his Houston Astros teammate Andy Pettitte would "never in a million years" use illegal performance-enhancing drugs.

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FirstTimeCaller

10-07-2006, 09:07 AM

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Gee I wonder if Novak is trying to protect his client from a massive lawsuit. :rolleyes:

3rdAnd15Draw

10-07-2006, 09:12 AM

"Mr. Grimsley you are contradicting a sworn statement that you previously made to me and signed. I ask you again sir -- you are now under oath -- were you at any time a member of a crime organization -- headed by Roger Clemens."

"I don't know nothin' about that.. Oh -- I was in the Olive Oil business with his father but that was a long time ago that's all."

Sundayjack

10-07-2006, 09:28 AM

nyjunc

10-07-2006, 09:47 AM

Gee I wonder if Novak is trying to protect his client from a massive lawsuit. :rolleyes:

why would he be worried about a lawsuit if it was true?

FirstTimeCaller

10-08-2006, 11:25 PM

why would he be worried about a lawsuit if it was true?

Much like the Bonds case it will never be proven... thus Grimsley and his lawyer can deny saying it in order to avoid lawsuits.

FirstTimeCaller

12-14-2007, 04:27 AM

Bumped for laughs....

ollie

12-14-2007, 05:51 AM

Bumped for laughs....

Here's a laugh for you...

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FirstTimeCaller

12-14-2007, 06:11 AM

Here's a laugh for you...

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I wonder if Suzyn Waldmen cried yesterday (like you guys are now) when she read the list?

"Oh my goodness gracious, of all the dramatic things -- of all the dramatic things I've ever seen..." :rofl2:

ollie

12-14-2007, 06:20 AM

I wonder if Suzyn Waldmen cried yesterday (like you guys are now) when she read the list?

"Oh my goodness gracious, of all the dramatic things -- of all the dramatic things I've ever seen..." :rofl2:

This from a guy who keeps his Yankee envy in his sig

FirstTimeCaller

12-14-2007, 06:57 AM

This from a guy who keeps his Yankee envy in his sig

My sig is a Lasting Milledge ref. Nice try tho... :wink:

BroadwayMike

12-14-2007, 03:18 PM

I was right, Clemens was there!

Hobbes3259

12-14-2007, 03:21 PM

This from a guy who keeps his Yankee envy in his sig

ollie I love ya like a brutha, but...

as a one of the other posters said,

welcome to The House that Juice built

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ollie

12-14-2007, 04:28 PM

ollie I love ya like a brutha, but...

as a one of the other posters said,

welcome to The House that Juice built

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Same here...

but what built Citi Field?

Monumental collaspes?

Pennythetowelboy

12-14-2007, 07:53 PM

Same here...

but what built Citi Field?

Monumental collaspes?
*cough* 2004 ALCS *cough*

FirstTimeCaller

12-15-2007, 06:30 AM

The Yankess Juiced! Thhhhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Yankeeees Juiced!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ollie

12-15-2007, 06:33 AM

*cough* 2004 ALCS *cough*

Still not as bad as what the Mets did...

Don

12-15-2007, 06:33 AM

*cough* 2004 ALCS *cough*
Is that the best you have?

ollie

12-15-2007, 06:34 AM

The Yankess Juiced! Thhhhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Yankeeees Juiced!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and so did the Mets.... who had 12 players to our 14... which means the Mets are so bad they can't even win on Roids....

Pennythetowelboy

12-15-2007, 11:32 AM

our players all played on shitty mets teams besides Dykstra. All most all of the yankees players did it in playoff/WS years.

Pennythetowelboy

12-15-2007, 11:34 AM

Still not as bad as what the Mets did...

other teams have blown big leads in the regular season. not one team in baseball history ever blew a 3-0 best of seven lead.

Barry the Baptist

12-15-2007, 11:53 AM

Uhhhh we've been through this before....

The Mets were 2 games under .500 from June 1st on. They were a bad team that went into a slump at the wrong time of the season. The numbers don't lie.

Cappy

12-15-2007, 12:37 PM

our players all played on shitty mets teams besides Dykstra. All most all of the yankees players did it in playoff/WS years.
Yeah, but if you have ever played for the Mets, there's like a 95% chance that it was a shitty team. And if you have ever played for the Yankees, it's likely to have been for a playoff team.

Pennythetowelboy

12-15-2007, 12:39 PM

Yeah, but if you have ever played for the Mets, there's like a 95% chance that it was a shitty team. And if you have ever played for the Yankees, it's likely to have been for a playoff team.
and why are the yankee teams so good...steroids maybe??

Cappy

12-15-2007, 12:44 PM

and why are the yankee teams so good...steroids maybe??
Wow, your argument is getting awfully circular, seeing as how that brings you right back to the original point:

14 Yankees named. 12 Mets.

I'll cue your next line for you... But the Mets players were on crappy teams!

AlioTheFool

12-16-2007, 06:23 AM

and why are the yankee teams so good...steroids maybe??

It's already been established that all but 2 of the Yankees on the list did it after winning the World Series with the Yankees.

So no. It wasn't steroids.

ollie

12-16-2007, 07:32 AM

It's already been established that all but 2 of the Yankees on the list did it after winning the World Series with the Yankees.

So no. It wasn't steroids.

I'm done arguing this with Met fans.... it's much more effective to just point out their teams failures....

Cappy

12-16-2007, 11:09 AM

it's much more effective to just point out their teams failures....
Like anyone has the time to do that.